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  • DuckwithaboneDuckwithabone Member Posts: 272

    I’m just happy the US elected the VP of the administration that armed ISIS and gave billions to Iran so they could continue to fund terrorism.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    John Kerry: Some sanctions relief money for Iran will go to terrorism
    By Elise Labott, CNN
    Updated 2:39 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2016

    Davos, Switzerland(CNN) Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged to CNBC Thursday that some of the money Iran received in sanctions relief would go to groups considered terrorists.

    When asked about whether some the $150 billion in sanctions relief to Iran would go to terrorist groups, Kerry reiterated that, after settling debts, Iran would receive closer to $55 billion. He conceded some of that could go to groups considered terrorists, saying there was nothing the U.S. could do to prevent that.

    Ouch that’s a real bummer. Major piece of dirt you got there. We totally shouldn’t vote for any politician that’s made questionable policy decisions, especially when it comes to global fiscal decisions.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,987
    edited November 2020



    Horrible optics for Liz Sly and WaPo aside, the original article is a fascinating read.

    https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/

    Jeffrey now says that Trump’s “modest” and transactional approach to the Middle East has yielded a more stable region than either of his predecessors’ more transformational policies. President George W. Bush’s 2003 State of the Union speech heralding the seismic U.S. intervention into Iraq and President Barack Obama’s 2009 speech in Cairo proclaiming a “new beginning” with the Muslim world represent an approach to the Middle East that “made things worse” and “weakened us,” Jeffrey said. Trump’s administration, he said, has looked at the Middle East through a geostrategic lens and kept its focus on Iran, Russia, and China, while keeping the metastatic “disease” of Islamist terror in check.

    Jeffrey believes Trump has achieved a kind of political and military “stalemate” in a number of different cold and hot conflicts, producing a situation that is about the best any administration could hope for in such a messy, volatile region.

    Other administrations did the opposite and instigated and participated in new conflicts in the region. They don’t want stalemates, they have military contractors who helped elect them to enrich.

    As I said in another thread, I expect ‘Assad’ to ‘gas his own people’ sometime next year even though he has no reason to do so, and we? have to intervene to save them by sending in more troops.
    That the military industrial complex exists and is a problem does not have to contradict the fact that Assad launched a sarin gas attack against his own citizens.
    Assad had no reason to launch it...all it would result in is him getting bombed, and if the war-hawks had their way invaded as well. When the UN guy comes out 2 years later and says they lied...well...they lied.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718627/Sexed-dossier-furore-alleged-poison-gas-attack-Assad.html

    But we live in a banana republic now...expect more of these types of things to be happening...
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    edited November 2020

    I’m just happy the US elected the VP of the administration that armed ISIS and gave billions to Iran so they could continue to fund terrorism.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    John Kerry: Some sanctions relief money for Iran will go to terrorism
    By Elise Labott, CNN
    Updated 2:39 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2016

    Davos, Switzerland(CNN) Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged to CNBC Thursday that some of the money Iran received in sanctions relief would go to groups considered terrorists.

    When asked about whether some the $150 billion in sanctions relief to Iran would go to terrorist groups, Kerry reiterated that, after settling debts, Iran would receive closer to $55 billion. He conceded some of that could go to groups considered terrorists, saying there was nothing the U.S. could do to prevent that.

    Ouch that’s a real bummer. Major piece of dirt you got there. We totally shouldn’t vote for any politician that’s made questionable policy decisions, especially when it comes to global fiscal decisions.
    Funding Iranian terrorism is now a “questionable policy decision” even after they paid the Taliban bounties for killing US troops. A fair media and Biden doesn’t it make it past the first few Democrat primaries.

    2010 bounties on US soldiers.

    2016 give billions to the same people who paid bounties and is “questionable.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39014669

    Iran is paying Taliban fighters $1,000 for each U.S. soldier they kill in Afghanistan, according to a report in a British newspaper.

    The Sunday Times described how a man it said was a "Taliban treasurer" had gone to collect $18,000 from an Iranian firm in Kabul, a reward it said was for an attack in July which killed several Afghan government troops and destroyed an American armored vehicle.

    The treasurer left with the cash hidden in a sack of flour, the newspaper said, and then gave it to Taliban fighters in the province of Wardak. In the past six months, the treasurer claimed to have collected more than $77,000 from the company.

    The Sunday Times said its investigation had found that at least five Kabul-based Iranian companies were secretly passing funds to the Taliban.

    The newspaper's correspondent, Miles Amoore, said he met and interviewed the treasurer, who he said had been an illiterate farmer who was taught to read and write, plus basic accountancy, by the Taliban last winter.

    "We don’t care who we get money from," the treasurer was quoted as saying. He described the relationship with Iran as a "marriage of convenience." Iran is a predominantly Shiite country, while the Taliban is dominated by Sunni Muslims.
  • DuckwithaboneDuckwithabone Member Posts: 272

    I’m just happy the US elected the VP of the administration that armed ISIS and gave billions to Iran so they could continue to fund terrorism.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    John Kerry: Some sanctions relief money for Iran will go to terrorism
    By Elise Labott, CNN
    Updated 2:39 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2016

    Davos, Switzerland(CNN) Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged to CNBC Thursday that some of the money Iran received in sanctions relief would go to groups considered terrorists.

    When asked about whether some the $150 billion in sanctions relief to Iran would go to terrorist groups, Kerry reiterated that, after settling debts, Iran would receive closer to $55 billion. He conceded some of that could go to groups considered terrorists, saying there was nothing the U.S. could do to prevent that.

    Ouch that’s a real bummer. Major piece of dirt you got there. We totally shouldn’t vote for any politician that’s made questionable policy decisions, especially when it comes to global fiscal decisions.
    Funding Iranian terrorism is now a “questionable policy decision” even after they paid the Taliban bounties for killing US troops. A fair media and Biden doesn’t it make it past the first few Democrat primaries.

    2010 bounties on US soldiers.

    2016 give billions to the same people who paid bounties and is “questionable.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39014669

    Iran is paying Taliban fighters $1,000 for each U.S. soldier they kill in Afghanistan, according to a report in a British newspaper.

    The Sunday Times described how a man it said was a "Taliban treasurer" had gone to collect $18,000 from an Iranian firm in Kabul, a reward it said was for an attack in July which killed several Afghan government troops and destroyed an American armored vehicle.

    The treasurer left with the cash hidden in a sack of flour, the newspaper said, and then gave it to Taliban fighters in the province of Wardak. In the past six months, the treasurer claimed to have collected more than $77,000 from the company.

    The Sunday Times said its investigation had found that at least five Kabul-based Iranian companies were secretly passing funds to the Taliban.

    The newspaper's correspondent, Miles Amoore, said he met and interviewed the treasurer, who he said had been an illiterate farmer who was taught to read and write, plus basic accountancy, by the Taliban last winter.

    "We don’t care who we get money from," the treasurer was quoted as saying. He described the relationship with Iran as a "marriage of convenience." Iran is a predominantly Shiite country, while the Taliban is dominated by Sunni Muslims.
    Did I stutter?
  • DuckwithaboneDuckwithabone Member Posts: 272

    I’m just happy the US elected the VP of the administration that armed ISIS and gave billions to Iran so they could continue to fund terrorism.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    John Kerry: Some sanctions relief money for Iran will go to terrorism
    By Elise Labott, CNN
    Updated 2:39 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2016

    Davos, Switzerland(CNN) Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged to CNBC Thursday that some of the money Iran received in sanctions relief would go to groups considered terrorists.

    When asked about whether some the $150 billion in sanctions relief to Iran would go to terrorist groups, Kerry reiterated that, after settling debts, Iran would receive closer to $55 billion. He conceded some of that could go to groups considered terrorists, saying there was nothing the U.S. could do to prevent that.

    Ouch that’s a real bummer. Major piece of dirt you got there. We totally shouldn’t vote for any politician that’s made questionable policy decisions, especially when it comes to global fiscal decisions.
    Funding Iranian terrorism is now a “questionable policy decision” even after they paid the Taliban bounties for killing US troops. A fair media and Biden doesn’t it make it past the first few Democrat primaries.

    2010 bounties on US soldiers.

    2016 give billions to the same people who paid bounties and is “questionable.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39014669

    Iran is paying Taliban fighters $1,000 for each U.S. soldier they kill in Afghanistan, according to a report in a British newspaper.

    The Sunday Times described how a man it said was a "Taliban treasurer" had gone to collect $18,000 from an Iranian firm in Kabul, a reward it said was for an attack in July which killed several Afghan government troops and destroyed an American armored vehicle.

    The treasurer left with the cash hidden in a sack of flour, the newspaper said, and then gave it to Taliban fighters in the province of Wardak. In the past six months, the treasurer claimed to have collected more than $77,000 from the company.

    The Sunday Times said its investigation had found that at least five Kabul-based Iranian companies were secretly passing funds to the Taliban.

    The newspaper's correspondent, Miles Amoore, said he met and interviewed the treasurer, who he said had been an illiterate farmer who was taught to read and write, plus basic accountancy, by the Taliban last winter.

    "We don’t care who we get money from," the treasurer was quoted as saying. He described the relationship with Iran as a "marriage of convenience." Iran is a predominantly Shiite country, while the Taliban is dominated by Sunni Muslims.
    When you have an original thought that isn’t parroting oan and Twitter/Facebook trolls come back to the table.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,664

    I’m just happy the US elected the VP of the administration that armed ISIS and gave billions to Iran so they could continue to fund terrorism.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    John Kerry: Some sanctions relief money for Iran will go to terrorism
    By Elise Labott, CNN
    Updated 2:39 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2016

    Davos, Switzerland(CNN) Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged to CNBC Thursday that some of the money Iran received in sanctions relief would go to groups considered terrorists.

    When asked about whether some the $150 billion in sanctions relief to Iran would go to terrorist groups, Kerry reiterated that, after settling debts, Iran would receive closer to $55 billion. He conceded some of that could go to groups considered terrorists, saying there was nothing the U.S. could do to prevent that.

    Ouch that’s a real bummer. Major piece of dirt you got there. We totally shouldn’t vote for any politician that’s made questionable policy decisions, especially when it comes to global fiscal decisions.
    Funding Iranian terrorism is now a “questionable policy decision” even after they paid the Taliban bounties for killing US troops. A fair media and Biden doesn’t it make it past the first few Democrat primaries.

    2010 bounties on US soldiers.

    2016 give billions to the same people who paid bounties and is “questionable.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39014669

    Iran is paying Taliban fighters $1,000 for each U.S. soldier they kill in Afghanistan, according to a report in a British newspaper.

    The Sunday Times described how a man it said was a "Taliban treasurer" had gone to collect $18,000 from an Iranian firm in Kabul, a reward it said was for an attack in July which killed several Afghan government troops and destroyed an American armored vehicle.

    The treasurer left with the cash hidden in a sack of flour, the newspaper said, and then gave it to Taliban fighters in the province of Wardak. In the past six months, the treasurer claimed to have collected more than $77,000 from the company.

    The Sunday Times said its investigation had found that at least five Kabul-based Iranian companies were secretly passing funds to the Taliban.

    The newspaper's correspondent, Miles Amoore, said he met and interviewed the treasurer, who he said had been an illiterate farmer who was taught to read and write, plus basic accountancy, by the Taliban last winter.

    "We don’t care who we get money from," the treasurer was quoted as saying. He described the relationship with Iran as a "marriage of convenience." Iran is a predominantly Shiite country, while the Taliban is dominated by Sunni Muslims.
    When you have an original thought that isn’t parroting oan and Twitter/Facebook trolls come back to the table.
    Ironic.
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  • DuckwithaboneDuckwithabone Member Posts: 272
    SFGbob said:

    I’m just happy the US elected the VP of the administration that armed ISIS and gave billions to Iran so they could continue to fund terrorism.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    John Kerry: Some sanctions relief money for Iran will go to terrorism
    By Elise Labott, CNN
    Updated 2:39 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2016

    Davos, Switzerland(CNN) Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged to CNBC Thursday that some of the money Iran received in sanctions relief would go to groups considered terrorists.

    When asked about whether some the $150 billion in sanctions relief to Iran would go to terrorist groups, Kerry reiterated that, after settling debts, Iran would receive closer to $55 billion. He conceded some of that could go to groups considered terrorists, saying there was nothing the U.S. could do to prevent that.

    Ouch that’s a real bummer. Major piece of dirt you got there. We totally shouldn’t vote for any politician that’s made questionable policy decisions, especially when it comes to global fiscal decisions.
    Funding Iranian terrorism is now a “questionable policy decision” even after they paid the Taliban bounties for killing US troops. A fair media and Biden doesn’t it make it past the first few Democrat primaries.

    2010 bounties on US soldiers.

    2016 give billions to the same people who paid bounties and is “questionable.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39014669

    Iran is paying Taliban fighters $1,000 for each U.S. soldier they kill in Afghanistan, according to a report in a British newspaper.

    The Sunday Times described how a man it said was a "Taliban treasurer" had gone to collect $18,000 from an Iranian firm in Kabul, a reward it said was for an attack in July which killed several Afghan government troops and destroyed an American armored vehicle.

    The treasurer left with the cash hidden in a sack of flour, the newspaper said, and then gave it to Taliban fighters in the province of Wardak. In the past six months, the treasurer claimed to have collected more than $77,000 from the company.

    The Sunday Times said its investigation had found that at least five Kabul-based Iranian companies were secretly passing funds to the Taliban.

    The newspaper's correspondent, Miles Amoore, said he met and interviewed the treasurer, who he said had been an illiterate farmer who was taught to read and write, plus basic accountancy, by the Taliban last winter.

    "We don’t care who we get money from," the treasurer was quoted as saying. He described the relationship with Iran as a "marriage of convenience." Iran is a predominantly Shiite country, while the Taliban is dominated by Sunni Muslims.
    When you have an original thought that isn’t parroting oan and Twitter/Facebook trolls come back to the table.
    Ironic.
    The ironing is beyond thicc on this bored
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,664
    Guy has been back here for a little over a week and has yet to express a single original thought.

  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,507 Standard Supporter
    This thread has gone horribly awry
  • DuckwithaboneDuckwithabone Member Posts: 272
    SFGbob said:

    Guy has been back here for a little over a week and has yet to express a single original thought.

    Well don’t tracking my movements, it’s 9 glorious days.

    I need my secret lib memo with my talking points before I can say anymore though
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,664

    SFGbob said:

    Guy has been back here for a little over a week and has yet to express a single original thought.

    Well don’t tracking my movements, it’s 9 glorious days.

    I need my secret lib memo with my talking points before I can say anymore though
    Case in point.
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    I’m just happy the US elected the VP of the administration that armed ISIS and gave billions to Iran so they could continue to fund terrorism.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/01/21/politics/john-kerry-money-iran-sanctions-terrorism/index.html

    John Kerry: Some sanctions relief money for Iran will go to terrorism
    By Elise Labott, CNN
    Updated 2:39 PM EST, Thu January 21, 2016

    Davos, Switzerland(CNN) Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged to CNBC Thursday that some of the money Iran received in sanctions relief would go to groups considered terrorists.

    When asked about whether some the $150 billion in sanctions relief to Iran would go to terrorist groups, Kerry reiterated that, after settling debts, Iran would receive closer to $55 billion. He conceded some of that could go to groups considered terrorists, saying there was nothing the U.S. could do to prevent that.

    Ouch that’s a real bummer. Major piece of dirt you got there. We totally shouldn’t vote for any politician that’s made questionable policy decisions, especially when it comes to global fiscal decisions.
    Funding Iranian terrorism is now a “questionable policy decision” even after they paid the Taliban bounties for killing US troops. A fair media and Biden doesn’t it make it past the first few Democrat primaries.

    2010 bounties on US soldiers.

    2016 give billions to the same people who paid bounties and is “questionable.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna39014669

    Iran is paying Taliban fighters $1,000 for each U.S. soldier they kill in Afghanistan, according to a report in a British newspaper.

    The Sunday Times described how a man it said was a "Taliban treasurer" had gone to collect $18,000 from an Iranian firm in Kabul, a reward it said was for an attack in July which killed several Afghan government troops and destroyed an American armored vehicle.

    The treasurer left with the cash hidden in a sack of flour, the newspaper said, and then gave it to Taliban fighters in the province of Wardak. In the past six months, the treasurer claimed to have collected more than $77,000 from the company.

    The Sunday Times said its investigation had found that at least five Kabul-based Iranian companies were secretly passing funds to the Taliban.

    The newspaper's correspondent, Miles Amoore, said he met and interviewed the treasurer, who he said had been an illiterate farmer who was taught to read and write, plus basic accountancy, by the Taliban last winter.

    "We don’t care who we get money from," the treasurer was quoted as saying. He described the relationship with Iran as a "marriage of convenience." Iran is a predominantly Shiite country, while the Taliban is dominated by Sunni Muslims.
    When you have an original thought that isn’t parroting oan and Twitter/Facebook trolls come back to the table.
    I linked two “legitimate” news sources that say Iran paid bounties to the Taliban and then Barry gave them money that John Kerry said could fund Iranian terrorism and you’re such a Lightweight you have no response other than anger at me. Just admit Obama and Biden funded Iran and their terrorism. It’s liberating, Lightweight.

    Typical Leftist Dipshit.
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165

    This thread has gone horribly awry

    New bored motto?
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,034

    The lasting legacy and service of the Trump era might be bringing shit like this to the surface.

    Except it will be forgotten.

    This practice is not new, unknown, or uncommon. Thanks for finally paying attention
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,730

    Horrible optics for Liz Sly and WaPo aside, the original article is a fascinating read.

    https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/

    Jeffrey now says that Trump’s “modest” and transactional approach to the Middle East has yielded a more stable region than either of his predecessors’ more transformational policies. President George W. Bush’s 2003 State of the Union speech heralding the seismic U.S. intervention into Iraq and President Barack Obama’s 2009 speech in Cairo proclaiming a “new beginning” with the Muslim world represent an approach to the Middle East that “made things worse” and “weakened us,” Jeffrey said. Trump’s administration, he said, has looked at the Middle East through a geostrategic lens and kept its focus on Iran, Russia, and China, while keeping the metastatic “disease” of Islamist terror in check.

    Jeffrey believes Trump has achieved a kind of political and military “stalemate” in a number of different cold and hot conflicts, producing a situation that is about the best any administration could hope for in such a messy, volatile region.

    And that is why they didn't ask any questions on it in the debates... pure insanity
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,664
    Goduckies said:

    Horrible optics for Liz Sly and WaPo aside, the original article is a fascinating read.

    https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/

    Jeffrey now says that Trump’s “modest” and transactional approach to the Middle East has yielded a more stable region than either of his predecessors’ more transformational policies. President George W. Bush’s 2003 State of the Union speech heralding the seismic U.S. intervention into Iraq and President Barack Obama’s 2009 speech in Cairo proclaiming a “new beginning” with the Muslim world represent an approach to the Middle East that “made things worse” and “weakened us,” Jeffrey said. Trump’s administration, he said, has looked at the Middle East through a geostrategic lens and kept its focus on Iran, Russia, and China, while keeping the metastatic “disease” of Islamist terror in check.

    Jeffrey believes Trump has achieved a kind of political and military “stalemate” in a number of different cold and hot conflicts, producing a situation that is about the best any administration could hope for in such a messy, volatile region.

    And that is why they didn't ask any questions on it in the debates... pure insanity
    Had to ask about Climate Change and for Trump to denounce White Supremacy. Seriously, if the DNC were to have selected the questions asked at the debates how would they have been any different than the questions asked by the two "moderators?"
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    BearsWiin said:

    The lasting legacy and service of the Trump era might be bringing shit like this to the surface.

    Except it will be forgotten.

    This practice is not new, unknown, or uncommon. Thanks for finally paying attention
    Really dipshit?

    Show me another example of someone in chain of command going on the record and admitting they lied to the CIC in order to keeps more soldiers overseas.

  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,034
    edited November 2020

    BearsWiin said:

    The lasting legacy and service of the Trump era might be bringing shit like this to the surface.

    Except it will be forgotten.

    This practice is not new, unknown, or uncommon. Thanks for finally paying attention
    Really dipshit?

    Show me another example of someone in chain of command going on the record and admitting they lied to the CIC in order to keeps more soldiers overseas.

    SHOW ME ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE EXACT SAME SEQUENCE OF EVENTS HAPPENING POTD

    Career govt. officials disregard instructions/orders from higher-ups, when they deem those instructions/orders to be detrimental to state interests (that they know better than the higher-up, since they're career specialists and the higher-ups are political beasts who are likely to be gone soon). IMO one of the best examples was the Jupiter missiles in Turkey: JFK ordered them removed in 1961 as a gesture of goodwill to the Sovs, and the DoD and State said sir yes sir and ignored the order. DoD ignored it because they thought it important to maintain a forward nuclear tripwire in Turkey (even though the missiles themselves were extremely vulnerable, being liquid-fueled and pretty much out in the open), and State ignored it because they understood how important they were for US-Turkish relations. JFK was surprised during the CMC in October 1962 when the Sovs demanded that the Jupiters be removed, since he knew he'd ordered their removal more than a year earlier. He was angry that his orders were ignored, but relieved to be able to use what he already thought was a meaningless bargaining chip with the Sovs to resolve the CMC

    Deep State knows its shit, yo

    especially when dealing with an ignorant, impulsive, uninterested, selfish, transactional POS grifter like your idol Trump
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    BearsWiin said:

    BearsWiin said:

    The lasting legacy and service of the Trump era might be bringing shit like this to the surface.

    Except it will be forgotten.

    This practice is not new, unknown, or uncommon. Thanks for finally paying attention
    Really dipshit?

    Show me another example of someone in chain of command going on the record and admitting they lied to the CIC in order to keeps more soldiers overseas.

    SHOW ME ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE EXACT SAME SEQUENCE OF EVENTS HAPPENING POTD

    Career govt. officials disregard instructions/orders from higher-ups, when they deem those instructions/orders to be detrimental to state interests (that they know better than the higher-up, since they're career specialists and the higher-ups are political beasts who are likely to be gone soon). IMO one of the best examples was the Jupiter missiles in Turkey: JFK ordered them removed in 1961 as a gesture of goodwill to the Sovs, and the DoD and State said sir yes sir and ignored the order. DoD ignored it because they thought it important to maintain a forward nuclear tripwire in Turkey (even though the missiles themselves were extremely vulnerable, being liquid-fueled and pretty much out in the open), and State ignored it because they understood how important they were for US-Turkish relations. JFK was surprised during the CMC in October 1962 when the Sovs demanded that the Jupiters be removed, since he knew he'd ordered their removal more than a year earlier. He was angry that his orders were ignored, but relieved to be able to use what he already thought was a meaningless bargaining chip with the Sovs to resolve the CMC

    Deep State knows its shit, yo

    especially when dealing with an ignorant, impulsive, uninterested, selfish, transactional POS grifter like your idol Trump
    So you couldn’t give me another example of someone on the record saying they lied to the CIC in order to keep more soldiers overseas.

    Whatever you think you just posted didn’t answer my request.
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