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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,640 Founders Club
    Think there is a large degree of lemming mentality in polls. Guarantee there are a lot of pollsters that probably actually at some point along the way came up with something actually accurate, then looked at what others were reporting and reigned in their math to follow the pack closer creating a circular function over time.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,424 Founders Club
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Bad Orange Man claimed yesterday that the media used polling as a means to suppress his voters (i.e., dampen their enthusiasm) as well hurt his fundraising. He implied that they knew polling was bullshit and the he (Trump) had a great shot of winning the key swing states. Hence, the narrative about voter fraud on a massive scale because they feared he would actually win.

    So does Trump think that the 2016 bogus polling was meant to hurt his support in that election? And if the "corrupt" media and Dems knew the 2016 polls were bullshit and it was, in fact, a much tighter race, why didn't they try harder to "steal" the race for HRC?

    I don't want to hear Trump bitch one bit about polling or press coverage. If that and that alone was the reason for losing, then there was no point in even running because everyone knew what that was going to be.
    Well yes I hear you, but it's easy for you to say when the entire system isn't attacking you on a daily basis.
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,147 Standard Supporter
    YellowSnow said:

    Bad Orange Man claimed yesterday that the media used polling as a means to suppress his voters (i.e., dampen their enthusiasm) as well hurt his fundraising. He implied that they knew polling was bullshit and the he (Trump) had a great shot of winning the key swing states. Hence, the narrative about voter fraud on a massive scale because they feared he would actually win.

    So does Trump think that the 2016 bogus polling was meant to hurt his support in that election? And if the "corrupt" media and Dems knew the 2016 polls were bullshit and it was, in fact, a much tighter race, why didn't they try harder to "steal" the race for HRC?

    They didn't have vote by mail
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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    doogie said:

    Media Tugtards will continue to use polling to drive narrative. Cook it

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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    DerekJohnson said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Bad Orange Man claimed yesterday that the media used polling as a means to suppress his voters (i.e., dampen their enthusiasm) as well hurt his fundraising. He implied that they knew polling was bullshit and the he (Trump) had a great shot of winning the key swing states. Hence, the narrative about voter fraud on a massive scale because they feared he would actually win.

    So does Trump think that the 2016 bogus polling was meant to hurt his support in that election? And if the "corrupt" media and Dems knew the 2016 polls were bullshit and it was, in fact, a much tighter race, why didn't they try harder to "steal" the race for HRC?

    I don't want to hear Trump bitch one bit about polling or press coverage. If that and that alone was the reason for losing, then there was no point in even running because everyone knew what that was going to be.
    Well yes I hear you, but it's easy for you to say when the entire system isn't attacking you on a daily basis.
    It's the big chair and part of the job, that he sought. I don't care who is in the office, I really don't care about their feelings that much.

    Much of the coverage was terrible, and the media ought to be cleaning their shit up in the next few years (they won't).
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,221
    DerekJohnson said:

    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Bad Orange Man claimed yesterday that the media used polling as a means to suppress his voters (i.e., dampen their enthusiasm) as well hurt his fundraising. He implied that they knew polling was bullshit and the he (Trump) had a great shot of winning the key swing states. Hence, the narrative about voter fraud on a massive scale because they feared he would actually win.

    So does Trump think that the 2016 bogus polling was meant to hurt his support in that election? And if the "corrupt" media and Dems knew the 2016 polls were bullshit and it was, in fact, a much tighter race, why didn't they try harder to "steal" the race for HRC?

    I don't want to hear Trump bitch one bit about polling or press coverage. If that and that alone was the reason for losing, then there was no point in even running because everyone knew what that was going to be.
    Well yes I hear you, but it's easy for you to say when the entire system isn't attacking you on a daily basis.
    The press coverage Trump routinely received and the tongue bath Biden received after he secured the nomination was easily worth about 5 points. Then add in the nightly in-kind contribution Biden and the Rats received from the entertainment media and you've got another 2 to 3 points. Honest reporting on the Charlottesville lie could have hammered the entire reason Joe claimed he got into the race.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,460 Founders Club
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Bad Orange Man claimed yesterday that the media used polling as a means to suppress his voters (i.e., dampen their enthusiasm) as well hurt his fundraising. He implied that they knew polling was bullshit and the he (Trump) had a great shot of winning the key swing states. Hence, the narrative about voter fraud on a massive scale because they feared he would actually win.

    So does Trump think that the 2016 bogus polling was meant to hurt his support in that election? And if the "corrupt" media and Dems knew the 2016 polls were bullshit and it was, in fact, a much tighter race, why didn't they try harder to "steal" the race for HRC?

    I don't want to hear Trump bitch one bit about polling or press coverage. If that and that alone was the reason for losing, then there was no point in even running because everyone knew what that was going to be.
    The things we tell ourselves
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,460 Founders Club
    We don't need honest elections or a watchdog media that watches everyone because Trump bothers me

    Basically how a 12 year old girl would vote
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    RaceBannon said:

    We don't need honest elections or a watchdog media that watches everyone because Trump bothers me

    Basically how a 12 year old girl would vote

    We do need both.
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