Basketball ended when Michael Jordan stopped playing.
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Lebron is a top 10 player all time right now and has a chance to reach number 2.
The NBA is as well played as it's ever been. The rules make it more fun to watch. The coaching and scouting has reached a very high level.
It's the best sport going and Lebron is the biggest reason why. -
He'll never reach Jordan status. He would have to be a demi-god to do that.
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You're a fucking idiot if you think that LBJ has a chance to be the 2nd best player of all-time.
His best case is Top 5 of all time ...
I've seen him owned enough times to just laugh at the thought that he's as good as those in the Top 5 of all time ...
Everybody loves to run their mouth about his stats and how he's so fucking great:
LBJ Career Averages:
27.5 ppg; 7.2 rpg, 6.9 apg; .494 fg %, .747 ft %
Larry Bird Career Averages:
24.3 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 6.3 apg; .496 fg %, .886 ft % ...
Wake me up when he's achieved more than Larry Joe Bird ... the Basketball Jesus. -
Larry Bird won 3 titles, 2 Finals MVPs and 3 MVPs.
Lebron has 2 titles, 2 Finals MVPs and 4 MVPs.
Wake up. -
More great teams today or in the 80s?
The East has been a fucking dreckfest for most of LBJ's career.
There are currently 3 teams over .500 in the East of the NBA right now.
LBJ is a really good player ... I have no problem saying that he'll end up in the Top 10 of all time.
But he's not Bird.
He's not Magic.
He's not Russell.
He's not Jordan.
And from a physical freak standpoint, he's not Wilt.
That's your Top 5 of all time.
And to top it up, forget Wilt's selfish ass, none of the others had to leave their teams to go win a title. There's an asterisk next to LBJ's title by trying to put together a super team. Sure, he beat the Bastard Sonics b/c they were flat out better than them (and the Bastards were too young to know how to fucking win), but they should have lost to the Spurs last year and would have if it wasn't for Jesus Fucking Shuttlesworth.
LBJ's greatest asset as a basketball player is that he's elite from a genetic lottery standpoint. That makes him a Top 10 player. From a pure talent standpoint, he's not a Top 10 talent.
LBJ = Dr. J to me. -
Great is subjective but the 80s are fairly overrated. Take 1985, a season that Bird won the MVP and Finals MVP, the Milwaukee Bucks had the second best record in the East. Tell me how they were a great team. The Bulls made the playoffs with 30 wins. Tell me about how deep the conference was.
You asked when Lebron accomplished more than Bird to wake you. He's already even in the three most important categories. Titles, Finals MVPs and MVPs.
Then Bird and Magic have asterisks next to all their titles. Playing with other great players doesn't count! And the excuse making for who they beat and how they beat them for the title is weak. The list of guys Lebron has beat in the NBA Finals is impressive. Durant, Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, Harden and Westbrook are all Hall of Famers. I hate Lebron but even I wouldn't sink to the pathetic level of discounting his championships. -
Lebron is also an elite defender. Better than Bird and much better than Magic
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Completely disagree with that, but anyone hating on Lebron needs to DIAFF. He's an all time great. He doesn't have the drive and killer instinct on the level that Jordan did, but he is probably a better all around talent.allpurpleallgold said:Lebron is a top 10 player all time right now and has a chance to reach number 2.
The NBA is as well played as it's ever been. The rules make it more fun to watch. The coaching and scouting has reached a very high level.
It's the best sport going and Lebron is the biggest reason why.
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You might actually deserve the TequillaFS moniker. Other than Magic Johnson, who is a better passer that is taller than 6'6"? Bird might be close, but LeBron does it without being able to dump it to big guys for easy baskets. Having McHale and Parish to finish down low > Bosh 18 footers, Udonis Haslem, Joel Anthony, Birdman. Look at LeBron's shooting percentages the past few years. Last year he shot 56.5/40.6/75. This year he has upped it to 59/40.5/75.Tequilla said:More great teams today or in the 80s?
The East has been a fucking dreckfest for most of LBJ's career.
There are currently 3 teams over .500 in the East of the NBA right now.
LBJ is a really good player ... I have no problem saying that he'll end up in the Top 10 of all time.
But he's not Bird.
He's not Magic.
He's not Russell.
He's not Jordan.
And from a physical freak standpoint, he's not Wilt.
That's your Top 5 of all time.
And to top it up, forget Wilt's selfish ass, none of the others had to leave their teams to go win a title. There's an asterisk next to LBJ's title by trying to put together a super team. Sure, he beat the Bastard Sonics b/c they were flat out better than them (and the Bastards were too young to know how to fucking win), but they should have lost to the Spurs last year and would have if it wasn't for Jesus Fucking Shuttlesworth.
LBJ's greatest asset as a basketball player is that he's elite from a genetic lottery standpoint. That makes him a Top 10 player. From a pure talent standpoint, he's not a Top 10 talent.
LBJ = Dr. J to me.
Get the fuck out of here that he isn't Larry Bird. If you actually think LeBron wouldn't win 2 titles with McHale, Parish, Dennis Johnson, etc, you are a fucking idiot. LeBron didn't have one guy even close to that level when he played in Cleveland. Same with Magic. Magic had Kareem, James Worthy, Michael Cooper, Wilkes, Scott, etc. You need to watch some NBA classic and get reacquainted with those teams. They were absolutely loaded.
Jordan is better. So is Russell. After that, LeBron is right there and could end up at #3. He's got quite a few good years left. The script is still being written.
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Jordan was The Beatles of basketball. It doesn't matter if Lebron doubles Jordan's stats and wins ten championships. No one will ever be a Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, or Tiger Woods ever again.
