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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,760 Founders Club
    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    But can someone explain to me the Oregon hype? Aren’t they replacing a first round QB and an entire OL? Isn’t that the shit that the football nerds usually care about when they look teams pre-season?

    Yeah, high potential for them to underachieve for those reasons. The Ducks do look solid at all other positions though, plus they are perceived to have the best coaching staff in the conference, so that could explain the mediots ignoring some glaring flaws/question marks.

    4/5 of their secondary is gone now too. I liked their defense a lot. Not i don’t know about the defense as much and hate their offense. Nobody in the conference screams favorite though. And Oregon actually cares, meaning they try to win. So there is that.
    Lenoir changed his mind and is now returning, so the Oregon secondary isn't in too bad of shape. Lenoir and Mykael Wright will be in the running for the top corner duo in the conference. Losing Holland and Breeze will drop the Ducks from having arguably the top group of safeties in the conference to just being average.
    Oregon added Jordan Happle from Boise State whom Avalos likes a lot. Also, Steve Stephen made some big strides in the offseason. Bennett Williams has already proven he can play at a high level. The group won’t be as good but they aren’t falling back to average. Verone McKinley’s jump from freshman to sophomore year could make the group good.
    Quook. They suck until they don’t.
    Verone McKinley, Nick Pickett, Steve Stephens, Jordan Happle and Bennett Williams have already played a lot of football. Even Jamal Hill has played. Secondary isn't a big concern.

    The biggest concern far and away is the OL.
    Your tent city living fans and alums don't think O line is a big loss either.
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    But can someone explain to me the Oregon hype? Aren’t they replacing a first round QB and an entire OL? Isn’t that the shit that the football nerds usually care about when they look teams pre-season?

    Yeah, high potential for them to underachieve for those reasons. The Ducks do look solid at all other positions though, plus they are perceived to have the best coaching staff in the conference, so that could explain the mediots ignoring some glaring flaws/question marks.

    4/5 of their secondary is gone now too. I liked their defense a lot. Not i don’t know about the defense as much and hate their offense. Nobody in the conference screams favorite though. And Oregon actually cares, meaning they try to win. So there is that.
    Lenoir changed his mind and is now returning, so the Oregon secondary isn't in too bad of shape. Lenoir and Mykael Wright will be in the running for the top corner duo in the conference. Losing Holland and Breeze will drop the Ducks from having arguably the top group of safeties in the conference to just being average.
    Oregon added Jordan Happle from Boise State whom Avalos likes a lot. Also, Steve Stephen made some big strides in the offseason. Bennett Williams has already proven he can play at a high level. The group won’t be as good but they aren’t falling back to average. Verone McKinley’s jump from freshman to sophomore year could make the group good.
    Quook. They suck until they don’t.
    Verone McKinley, Nick Pickett, Steve Stephens, Jordan Happle and Bennett Williams have already played a lot of football. Even Jamal Hill has played. Secondary isn't a big concern.

    The biggest concern far and away is the OL.
    Your tent city living fans and alums don't think O line is a big loss either.
    With Sewell gone, it’s going to be a project. That being said, there isn’t a DL on the schedule that is scary.
  • CarlosDanger
    CarlosDanger Member Posts: 206
    lawsandl said:

    Verone McKinley, Nick Pickett, Steve Stephens, Jordan Happle and Bennett Williams have already played a lot of football. Even Jamal Hill has played. Secondary isn't a big concern.

    Dude, that is an average group of safeties. Like I said to begin with, the Oregon secondary is in pretty good shape. They still have two good starting corners (with Lenoir opting back in), but the safety position has gone from being elite to just being ok. Nick Pickett is the most likely starter of the bunch and he is pretty average.
  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,760 Founders Club
    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    But can someone explain to me the Oregon hype? Aren’t they replacing a first round QB and an entire OL? Isn’t that the shit that the football nerds usually care about when they look teams pre-season?

    Yeah, high potential for them to underachieve for those reasons. The Ducks do look solid at all other positions though, plus they are perceived to have the best coaching staff in the conference, so that could explain the mediots ignoring some glaring flaws/question marks.

    4/5 of their secondary is gone now too. I liked their defense a lot. Not i don’t know about the defense as much and hate their offense. Nobody in the conference screams favorite though. And Oregon actually cares, meaning they try to win. So there is that.
    Lenoir changed his mind and is now returning, so the Oregon secondary isn't in too bad of shape. Lenoir and Mykael Wright will be in the running for the top corner duo in the conference. Losing Holland and Breeze will drop the Ducks from having arguably the top group of safeties in the conference to just being average.
    Oregon added Jordan Happle from Boise State whom Avalos likes a lot. Also, Steve Stephen made some big strides in the offseason. Bennett Williams has already proven he can play at a high level. The group won’t be as good but they aren’t falling back to average. Verone McKinley’s jump from freshman to sophomore year could make the group good.
    Quook. They suck until they don’t.
    Verone McKinley, Nick Pickett, Steve Stephens, Jordan Happle and Bennett Williams have already played a lot of football. Even Jamal Hill has played. Secondary isn't a big concern.

    The biggest concern far and away is the OL.
    Your tent city living fans and alums don't think O line is a big loss either.
    With Sewell gone, it’s going to be a project. That being said, there isn’t a DL on the schedule that is scary.
    Do you need to face a "scary" DL with an inexperienced o line/qb to drop games?
  • lawsandl
    lawsandl Member Posts: 1,555
    edited October 2020

    lawsandl said:

    Verone McKinley, Nick Pickett, Steve Stephens, Jordan Happle and Bennett Williams have already played a lot of football. Even Jamal Hill has played. Secondary isn't a big concern.

    Dude, that is an average group of safeties. Like I said to begin with, the Oregon secondary is in pretty good shape. They still have two good starting corners (with Lenoir opting back in), but the safety position has gone from being elite to just being ok. Nick Pickett is the most likely starter of the bunch and he is pretty average.
    McKinley started all 9 Pac 12 games at FS and had 4 ints as a freshman. At least know what you’re talking about. There is a high floor with Pickett and McKinley at Safety. Bennett Williams and Jordan Happle provide good depth.

    Jamal Hill and Steve Stephens are high ceiling kids.

    Lastly, the progression of DJ James could allow for one of the corners to be a nickel. It will be interesting to see what the staff does with this unit.
  • DoogWhisperer
    DoogWhisperer Member Posts: 1,035

    https://pac-12.com/content/football-pac-12-championships

    1958 isn't walking through the door sport. I know our place.


    We are #2! We are #2!
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    dOgmaster said:

    Nope. Wasn’t aware browning had 2. Not many people liked his play. Personally I Iike Locker and wished he could have won one.

    You weren't aware? Head too far up your ass?
  • dOgmaster
    dOgmaster Member Posts: 589
    lawsandl said:

    haie said:

    lawsandl said:

    lawsandl said:

    But can someone explain to me the Oregon hype? Aren’t they replacing a first round QB and an entire OL? Isn’t that the shit that the football nerds usually care about when they look teams pre-season?

    Yeah, high potential for them to underachieve for those reasons. The Ducks do look solid at all other positions though, plus they are perceived to have the best coaching staff in the conference, so that could explain the mediots ignoring some glaring flaws/question marks.

    4/5 of their secondary is gone now too. I liked their defense a lot. Not i don’t know about the defense as much and hate their offense. Nobody in the conference screams favorite though. And Oregon actually cares, meaning they try to win. So there is that.
    Lenoir changed his mind and is now returning, so the Oregon secondary isn't in too bad of shape. Lenoir and Mykael Wright will be in the running for the top corner duo in the conference. Losing Holland and Breeze will drop the Ducks from having arguably the top group of safeties in the conference to just being average.
    Oregon added Jordan Happle from Boise State whom Avalos likes a lot. Also, Steve Stephen made some big strides in the offseason. Bennett Williams has already proven he can play at a high level. The group won’t be as good but they aren’t falling back to average. Verone McKinley’s jump from freshman to sophomore year could make the group good.
    Quook. They suck until they don’t.
    Verone McKinley, Nick Pickett, Steve Stephens, Jordan Happle and Bennett Williams have already played a lot of football. Even Jamal Hill has played. Secondary isn't a big concern.

    The biggest concern far and away is the OL.
    Your tent city living fans and alums don't think O line is a big loss either.
    With Sewell gone, it’s going to be a project. That being said, there isn’t a DL on the schedule that is scary.
    uw’s DL is solid, until it’s not.