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For the tax ignorant rats whose bible is the NYTs

RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,638 Founders Club
Just one example of several inconvenient truths about Trump's taxes the NYTs is banking on its minions to not understand.

"Let’s try to educate the New York Times, again. Their review of Trump’s tax returns, however they were obtained, show that Trump paid no income tax in 10 of the previous 15 years and paid only $750 in income taxes in 2016. They claim this shows “a story fundamentally different from the one he has sold to the American public.”

There’s a basic difference between net income and cash flow. Taxes are paid on net income. Cash flow shows the net proceeds received by the owner and is what the investor/owner is most concerned about. Here’s how it works:

Suppose a real estate developer built a $100 million building. Suppose the building earned $3 million annually in before-tax income. If the tax rate is 33 percent, as it approximately was before the 2018 tax cut, the developer would pay $1 million in taxes and would have $2 million left over as his cash flow.

The IRS, however, allows investors to recover their investment capital before paying taxes. So, if the developer built a $100 building and the IRS allowed for the capital to be recovered over 25 years, then the developer would have a $4 million annual depreciation expense.

That means instead of $3 million in taxable income, the venture would have a $1 million loss. Therefore, no taxes would be paid, meaning the owner keeps all $3 million in income.

The tax returns would show a $1 million loss, but the cash flow would be $3 million instead of $2 million—a $1 million cash flow increase due to the reduction of income taxes. Any student who has taken at least one course in accounting or finance should know this."

New York Times Biased and Ignorant Reporting on Trump’s Taxes
https://www.theepochtimes.com/new-york-times-biased-and-ignorant-reporting-on-trumps-taxes_3517302.html





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  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,163
    Nothing in that example is wrong. It's not super applicable to Trump since a vast majority of the deductions he took were losses unrelated to depreciation, but yes, that's how the tax law works.

    Anyways, let's say this fictional scenario is exactly what happened to Trump and it's why he ended up having no material income tax. That would still be evidence of him being a pretty incompetent businessman. Tying up $100m in cash over a multi-year period only to achieve a 3% annual return is enough to get any CEO fired by the board.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,492 Founders Club
    Trump is stupid and incompetent or he's fooled the IRS for decades

    Our choice?
  • GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,163

    Trump is stupid and incompetent or he's fooled the IRS for decades

    Our choice?

    I've always been on team "Trump is a mediocre businessman". There's a few aggressive positions he's taken that may get reversed on audit (the abandoned stake in his AC casino being the most notable), but there's nothing in the NYT story that screams fraud or really anything close to it.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,492 Founders Club

    Trump is stupid and incompetent or he's fooled the IRS for decades

    Our choice?

    I've always been on team "Trump is a mediocre businessman". There's a few aggressive positions he's taken that may get reversed on audit (the abandoned stake in his AC casino being the most notable), but there's nothing in the NYT story that screams fraud or really anything close to it.
    Not unfair. His bidness acumen hasn't matched his ability to self promote over 40 years or so
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,230
    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,358
    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,118 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
    So China should invest a billion and the Moscow mayors wife should send him 3.5 million. He doesn't know shit like the Bidens. Trump should attract huge money because not knowing shit seems more profitable.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,358

    HHusky said:

    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
    Hahaha you are such a fucking retard.
    Giving up already?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,358
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
    So China should invest a billion and the Moscow mayors wife should send him 3.5 million. He doesn't know shit like the Bidens. Trump should attract huge money because not knowing shit seems more profitable.
    But what about . . .?

    Pathetic.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,118 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
    So China should invest a billion and the Moscow mayors wife should send him 3.5 million. He doesn't know shit like the Bidens. Trump should attract huge money because not knowing shit seems more profitable.
    But what about . . .?

    Pathetic.
    It's all good with you. My hero's have always been cowboys.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
    Hahaha you are such a fucking retard.
    Giving up already?
    It’s not nice to pick on retards
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,963
    edited September 2020
    HHusky said:

    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
    Glad to see Stupid chimed in. In the real world however...






    He screwed up in his past levering up way past what he could afford...looks like he's gotten much more conservative in his old age...

  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Disagree.

    Over leverage can be a fantastic tool. In the 80’s Trump was the fucking Master.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,358
    doogie said:

    Disagree.

    Over leverage can be a fantastic tool. In the 80’s Trump was the fucking Master.

    Betting the exacta as an investment strategy. Shrewd.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter

    Trump is stupid and incompetent or he's fooled the IRS for decades

    Our choice?

    I've always been on team "Trump is a mediocre businessman". There's a few aggressive positions he's taken that may get reversed on audit (the abandoned stake in his AC casino being the most notable), but there's nothing in the NYT story that screams fraud or really anything close to it.
    Not unfair. His bidness acumen hasn't matched his ability to self promote over 40 years or so
    It's been the Throbber's experience that bidness acumen and self promotion have virtually no correlation. The Throbber knows a boatload of really solid bidnessmen who just never could get over the top financially.

    On the other, The Throbber also knows a shitload of corporate execs and self-promoters who have ka-chinged big time due to their ability to speak with absolute authority on any topic under the sun. By the time the powers that be figure out what inept cocksuckers they are, they have cashed in their options, pulled a sweet severance deal and are on to their next sucker.

    Biden is running the same scam in the political areana and has for 47 years. Joe Biden is the working man's friend. Joe Biden is working for YOU, Cornpop. You can trust Joe Biden.

    Current life goals
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,492 Founders Club
    I think the Trump Tower is the gem in the crown and worthy of some praise. The hotel he built as well. It seems like his troubles began in Atlantic City. The gambler tapped out
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,397 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    Goduckies said:

    He wouldn't tie up 100 million, he would tie up 10 and get a loan for the rest.

    His crushing debt should concern you and all of us.
    Hahaha you are such a fucking retard.
    Giving up already?
    Keep going, I'm enjoying this. You should double down some more.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited September 2020

    I think the Trump Tower is the gem in the crown and worthy of some praise. The hotel he built as well. It seems like his troubles began in Atlantic City. The gambler tapped out

    Atlantic City tapped out and Trump was the first one to see it and the first one out of town. ALL of his Atlantic City investors followed him to Vegas with new money.
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