Cops shoot and kill another

BleachedAnusDawg

White man.

No riots out here in Kitsap County, though. Drove by today on my way to get groceries and saw a nice memorial with signs asking for justice. No threats to cops, but a few "DLM" signs. I'm sure if anyone from Seattle found out about those signs they'd accuse all of his friends of being racist.

https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/2020/08/10/few-details-released-six-days-after-kitsap-deputy-killed-man/3340416001/

GreenRiverGatorz

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

SFGbob

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highly encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

GreenRiverGatorz

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highly encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

SFGbob

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highly encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

You personally? Yes. In general, no.

I can't control the reaction of other people. I can control whether I resist arrest or not. In a perfect world the cops should always act professionally. Not being a moron or a child, I know this isn't a perfect world.

NorthwestFresh

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

Resist arrest and you might get shot. Same as it’s ever been.

Only seems to matter when it’s a Black* person being the idiot.

It’s White Privilege 101.

NorthwestFresh

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

SFGbob

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

And if you're white, no one will even care that you got your stupid ass shot.

GreenRiverGatorz

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

Resist arrest and you might get shot. Same as it’s ever been.

Only seems to matter when it’s a Black* person being the idiot.

It’s White Privilege 101.

I've never been a fan of the media's selective outrage over police shootings being contingent on the race of who got shot. The Daniel Shavers of the world deserve a lot more notoriety and justice.

SFGbob

GreenRiverGatorz said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

Resist arrest and you might get shot. Same as it’s ever been.

Only seems to matter when it’s a Black* person being the idiot.

It’s White Privilege 101.

I've never been a fan of the media's selective outrage over police shootings being contingent on the race of who got shot. The Daniel Shavers of the world deserve a lot more notoriety and justice.

Shavers wasn't even resisting.

NorthwestFresh

SFGbob said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

And if you're white, no one will even care that you got your stupid ass shot.

Some will actually mock you for it, like @GreenRiverGatorz in this very thread.

GreenRiverGatorz

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

My fault for escalating the situation? Yeah, definitely. But if I don't pose any threat to the officer in my resistance and I get shot and killed, the officer assumes his own lion's share of fault. It's the police's job to deescalate and safely resolve a situation. I've seen way too many instances of that not being the case. And I don't give a shit which race is involved.

GreenRiverGatorz

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

Resist arrest and you might get shot. Same as it’s ever been.

Only seems to matter when it’s a Black* person being the idiot.

It’s White Privilege 101.

I've never been a fan of the media's selective outrage over police shootings being contingent on the race of who got shot. The Daniel Shavers of the world deserve a lot more notoriety and justice.

Shavers wasn't even resisting.

Correct. It was a whole different level of injustice.

NorthwestFresh

GreenRiverGatorz said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

Resist arrest and you might get shot. Same as it’s ever been.

Only seems to matter when it’s a Black* person being the idiot.

It’s White Privilege 101.

I've never been a fan of the media's selective outrage over police shootings being contingent on the race of who got shot. The Daniel Shavers of the world deserve a lot more notoriety and justice.

Well, that’s not reality. The News crafts narratives in concert with the Democrats, and anything factual that negatively impacts that narrative is ignored or demonized. That’s the history of the rise of socialist/communist movements and government. The ignorant mouthbreathers promoting socialism and communist are known as Useful Idiots for a reason. Sheep in a herd.

GreenRiverGatorz

NorthwestFresh said:

SFGbob said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

And if you're white, no one will even care that you got your stupid ass shot.

Some will actually mock you for it, like @GreenRiverGatorz in this very thread.

I think you may have misinterpreted this conversation, which is disappointing, but not surprising.

So I'll take a step back and recap it for you. My first comment was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the @Sledogs of the world whose instinctual reaction is to find a way to blame the victim in every shooting of an unarmed black man, see George Floyd. I'm curious to see if he'd offer the same condemnation of the white victim in this particular case. If so, I'll at least give him kudos for being racially consistent, even if he is flat-out wrong.

NorthwestFresh

GreenRiverGatorz said:

NorthwestFresh said:

SFGbob said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

And if you're white, no one will even care that you got your stupid ass shot.

Some will actually mock you for it, like @GreenRiverGatorz in this very thread.

I think you may have misinterpreted this conversation, which is disappointing, but not surprising.

So I'll take a step back and recap it for you. My first comment was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the @Sledogs of the world whose instinctual reaction is to find a way to blame the victim in every shooting of an unarmed black man, see George Floyd. I'm curious to see if he'd offer the same condemnation of the white victim in this particular case. If so, I'll at least give him kudos for being racially consistent, even if he is flat-out wrong.

You know what, you’re right. I misinterpreted what you posted. My bad and it’s a valid question by you.

MikeDamone

SFGbob said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

And if you're white, no one will even care that you got your stupid ass shot.

Everyone will say you got want you deserved and move on. Whites are shoot by cops at twice the rate as blacks even though they commit less than half of the crime. Sad

SFGbob

MikeDamone said:

SFGbob said:

NorthwestFresh said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highl y encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

Depends on how the officer assess the situation. If you want to put your life in the hands of a cop by being a badass and resisting arrest, that’s your fault.

And if you're white, no one will even care that you got your stupid ass shot.

Everyone will say you got want you deserved and move on. Whites are shoot by cops at twice the rate as blacks even though they commit less than half of the crime. Sad

I think cops really hate men because most of the people they shoot are male.

RoadTrip

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

SFGbob said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

"He was an attention seeker, but not once have I ever seen or heard him say he wanted to die," Ham said. "He did what I would have done if a cop rolled up on me. I wouldn’t have got on the ground if I didn’t commit a crime."

I'm hearing that the onus is on the victim to comply with officers so as not to get shot for disobedience.

You're free to resist arrest. I highly encourage you to perform your street lawyer act and litigate all unlawful arrests and detainments right there on the spot.

No thanks, I prefer not getting shot. But if I did resist and posed no bodily threat to the officer, should my punishment be death?

You personally? Yes. In general, no.

I can't control the reaction of other people. I can control whether I resist arrest or not. In a perfect world the cops should always act professionally. Not being a moron or a child, I know this isn't a perfect world.

Spit my beer out