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Gold and Silver

Freepuka
Freepuka Member Posts: 21
edited May 2022 in Tug Tavern
I’m a total noob but a friend told me I should throw 10% of my portfolio into actual gold and silver as insurance.

Thoughts?
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,513 Founders Club
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,183 Founders Club
    What's the rest of your portfolio look like? How averse to risk are you? What is your portfolio goal? How liquid do you want to be? Gold or gold etf's?

    Lots to unpack.
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000
    edited August 2020

    What's the rest of your portfolio look like? How averse to risk are you? What is your portfolio goal? How liquid do you want to be? Gold or gold etf's?

    Lots to unpack.

    This, but Gold right now isn't a bad investment. Everything is going up because of money printing...I'm betting Gold will hit $3,000 by the end of 2021. But same thing driving that will drive lots of other things higher as well.

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,099 Founders Club
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,117 Standard Supporter

    What's the rest of your portfolio look like? How averse to risk are you? What is your portfolio goal? How liquid do you want to be? Gold or gold etf's?

    Lots to unpack.

    This, but Gold right now isn't a bad investment. Everything is going up because of money printing...I'm betting Gold will hit $3,000 by the end of 2021. But same thing driving that will drive lots of other things higher as well.

    It's not going to take that long.

    Stay the fuck away from oil.

  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    edited August 2020
    I have bought a little silver over the last few years. I always recommend getting the physical stuff, rather than going with the stock/certificate route. I think up to 100 physical ounces is fine, then after that I'd switch to gold. But I definitely would not make this my only route. In my opinion, gold and silver should not be an investment driver, it should be looked as more of a diversification tool and a fail safe if the economy tanks. Gold and Silver will always have some value, other investments can go to zero.
  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    Yeah try nugt lol triple levered gold etf
  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,000

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Real estate blows in Texas...lots of land and it’s the primary method of taxation here on the local and state level. But I agree it’s going to appreciate the same way...all hard assets will.
  • ntxduck
    ntxduck Member Posts: 6,145
    FireCohen said:

    Yeah try nugt lol triple levered gold etf

    Jnug life
  • Freepuka
    Freepuka Member Posts: 21

    What's the rest of your portfolio look like? How averse to risk are you? What is your portfolio goal? How liquid do you want to be? Gold or gold etf's?

    Lots to unpack.

    I have about $131k in various retirements, $20k in brokerage accounts, $9k in crypto, and $100k in the bank. I’m 33.

    I would be fine with ETF’s but my friend who may or may not be a little anxious about the market says 10% in physical gold and/or silver.
  • Freepuka
    Freepuka Member Posts: 21

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Residential or commercial? I’m a loan officer so I agree to a certain point. Residential real estate is just expensive and the ROI on rentals is too minimal right now unless you get a smoking deal.
  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,560
    edited August 2020
    Freepuka said:

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Residential or commercial? I’m a loan officer so I agree to a certain point. Residential real estate is just expensive and the ROI on rentals is too minimal right now unless you get a smoking deal.
    The changing landlord laws make residential real estate investment less and less appealing. All it takes is one bad tenant, to ruin everything you have worked hard for.
  • Woof
    Woof Member Posts: 770
    Freepuka said:

    What's the rest of your portfolio look like? How averse to risk are you? What is your portfolio goal? How liquid do you want to be? Gold or gold etf's?

    Lots to unpack.

    I have about $131k in various retirements, $20k in brokerage accounts, $9k in crypto, and $100k in the bank. I’m 33.

    I would be fine with ETF’s but my friend who may or may not be a little anxious about the market says 10% in physical gold and/or silver.
    Why do you have that much cash in the bank? Keep only 3-6 months of expenses in short-term liquid reserves. If you're that worried about volatility, buy treasuries or muni bonds and at least make a couple %. I would just dump it in a market index if it were me.

    Gold is fine, but I'm a little more skeptical than others around here on its potential.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,474 Founders Club

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    No. With unemployment insurance ending and 28M people immanently out on the street, the landlords won't be gettin their scratch either. All of it's going back to the banks. Then to the courthouse steps. Then to he retail market.

    For perspective, 8M were kicked out in the street in '08.

    We?re so fucked.
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072

    What's the rest of your portfolio look like? How averse to risk are you? What is your portfolio goal? How liquid do you want to be? Gold or gold etf's?

    Lots to unpack.

    Paper isn’t Gold
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,310 Standard Supporter

    My broker suggests more like 100% into silver and gold.


    HOF post.
  • Freepuka
    Freepuka Member Posts: 21
    So the consensus is there’s no consensus. I’ve never considered it until recently but I want some alternative to diversify.

    The American dollar is so fucked. There will be hyperinflation. The Fed will keep printing money. Shit, they can’t print is as fast as they are promising to spend it at this point.
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,474 Founders Club

    What's the rest of your portfolio look like? How averse to risk are you? What is your portfolio goal? How liquid do you want to be? Gold or gold etf's?

    Lots to unpack.

    This, but Gold right now isn't a bad investment. Everything is going up because of money printing...I'm betting Gold will hit $3,000 by the end of 2021. But same thing driving that will drive lots of other things higher as well.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/markets/gold-rising-to-dollar4000-an-ounce-would-not-be-an-unreasonable-move-fund-manager-says/ar-BB17EoXa
  • Doogles
    Doogles Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,730 Founders Club

    My broker suggests more like 100% into silver and gold.


    I laughed way too hard at this.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Freepuka said:

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Residential or commercial? I’m a loan officer so I agree to a certain point. Residential real estate is just expensive and the ROI on rentals is too minimal right now unless you get a smoking deal.
    You always make your money in real estate when you buy it.
  • 1to392831weretaken
    1to392831weretaken Member Posts: 7,696

    My broker suggests more like 100% into silver and gold.

    HOF post.
    Doogles said:

    I laughed way too hard at this.

    I like to think you can tell who had a shit childhood by who didn't chin.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,183 Founders Club
    Freepuka said:

    So the consensus is there’s no consensus. I’ve never considered it until recently but I want some alternative to diversify.

    The American dollar is so fucked. There will be hyperinflation. The Fed will keep printing money. Shit, they can’t print is as fast as they are promising to spend it at this point.

    Lol no. Assets are good though. You don't need that much cash.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,066
    edited August 2020

    I have bought a little silver over the last few years. I always recommend getting the physical stuff, rather than going with the stock/certificate route. I think up to 100 physical ounces is fine, then after that I'd switch to gold. But I definitely would not make this my only route. In my opinion, gold and silver should not be an investment driver, it should be looked as more of a diversification tool and a fail safe if the economy tanks. Gold and Silver will always have some value, other investments can go to zero.

    While anything is possible, is that likely to ever be the case? I'm trying to imagine a world where timber and mining assets, technology, biomedical, food, textiles, energy etc. etc. go to zero, and a hunk of metal becomes supremely valuable. If those things are at 0, gold is useless other than for making jewelry.

    Otherwise, @HoustonHusky hit it: the things that will drive gold higher should drive other asset classes higher as well.

    It's just another commodity.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,066

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    They're not making more of it, and you can use it, unlike a hunk of metal.

    If you're looking for a natural hedge against inflation, timber is a good place because of organic growth. You're not going to hit a homerun with timber; it's a long play. But it's as close to a sure thing long play as there is. Plus, there is the underlying land ownership that goes with it.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,066
    edited August 2020

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Real estate blows in Texas...lots of land and it’s the primary method of taxation here on the local and state level. But I agree it’s going to appreciate the same way...all hard assets will.
    True. My uncle is in DWF and is a true Texas convert from the PNW. Loves it down there and is always trying to talk me into moving there to live in the gated golf community he calls home. It's tempting because I could sell my place in Seattle and by 2 and 1/2 places on a course each of which is bigger and nicer than my Seattle place.

    But, the big catch is the proerty tax, which shocked the shit out of me. Texas hits you hard there. It's a huge number. About the only thing worse would be an income tax.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,183 Founders Club

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Real estate blows in Texas...lots of land and it’s the primary method of taxation here on the local and state level. But I agree it’s going to appreciate the same way...all hard assets will.
    True. My uncle is in DWF and is a true Texas convert from the PNW. Loves it down there and is always trying to talk me into moving there to live in the gated golf community he calls home. It's tempting because I could sell my place in Seattle and by 2 and 1/2 places on a course each of which is bigger and nicer than my Seattle place.

    But, the big catch is the proerty tax, which shocked the shit out of me. Texas hits you hard there. It's a huge number. About the only thing worse would be an income tax.
    Prop 13(capping property taxes and taking a super majority to overturn) is one of the lasting legacies of California as a red state. The dems are once again mounting an offensive on it this fall because obviously we need more money to pay teachers to sit at home.

    If they ever manage to overturn it I'll at least have the solace of knowing all these wealthy libs will end up paying through the teeth.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,066
    edited August 2020

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Real estate blows in Texas...lots of land and it’s the primary method of taxation here on the local and state level. But I agree it’s going to appreciate the same way...all hard assets will.
    True. My uncle is in DWF and is a true Texas convert from the PNW. Loves it down there and is always trying to talk me into moving there to live in the gated golf community he calls home. It's tempting because I could sell my place in Seattle and by 2 and 1/2 places on a course each of which is bigger and nicer than my Seattle place.

    But, the big catch is the proerty tax, which shocked the shit out of me. Texas hits you hard there. It's a huge number. About the only thing worse would be an income tax.
    Prop 13(capping property taxes and taking a super majority to overturn) is one of the lasting legacies of California as a red state. The dems are once again mounting an offensive on it this fall because obviously we need more money to pay teachers to sit at home.

    If they ever manage to overturn it I'll at least have the solace of knowing all these wealthy libs will end up paying through the teeth.
    We? are going to have to revisit our public school/teachers' union arrangement in this country eventually. It doesn't work. Paid hansomely relative to initial and ongoing input, and job security like few others, all to deliver a luke warm product.

    And the real bitch about property taxes is that there is no way to hide from it. There is no structure of which I'm aware that allows you to hide from it or lessen it. And, as we've discovered, the government will never give you a holiday from it either. There was not one single peep from Inslee about lessening the burden by reducting property taxes. Not one.
  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,310 Standard Supporter

    No.

    Real estate is where it's at

    Real estate blows in Texas...lots of land and it’s the primary method of taxation here on the local and state level. But I agree it’s going to appreciate the same way...all hard assets will.
    True. My uncle is in DWF and is a true Texas convert from the PNW. Loves it down there and is always trying to talk me into moving there to live in the gated golf community he calls home. It's tempting because I could sell my place in Seattle and by 2 and 1/2 places on a course each of which is bigger and nicer than my Seattle place.

    But, the big catch is the proerty tax, which shocked the shit out of me. Texas hits you hard there. It's a huge number. About the only thing worse would be an income tax.
    Property tax increases of substantial amounts are coming to you in King County. The drop in commercial property values due to COVID is going to mean big hikes on residential properties. Straight from the County Assessor's mouth.