Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
*Body is 146938 characters too long.
Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
*Body is 146938 characters too long.
Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
So much music has been blended into "rock" over time, but ask punks, new-wave, etc. back in the 70s and 80s if they were rock...."fuck no" would be their response. Maybe open the whole thing up for all music, add in pop, country, rap, and what you think "rock" is. That would be interesting.
Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
*Body is 146938 characters too long.
Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
So much music has been blended into "rock" over time, but ask punks, new-wave, etc. back in the 70s and 80s if they were rock...."fuck no" would be their response. Maybe open the whole thing up for all music, add in pop, country, rap, and what you think "rock" is. That would be interesting.
EDIT: picked Sheik Yerbouti because I have to go to Tacoma tomorrow and I was singing this song the other day when I counted 19 snakes on the edge of the driveway
EDIT: picked Sheik Yerbouti because I have to go to Tacoma tomorrow and I was singing this song the other day when I counted 19 snakes on the edge of the driveway
Hey there, people, I'm Bobby Brown They say I'm the cutest boy in town My car is fast, my teeth is shiney I tell all the girls they can kiss my heinie Here I am at a famous school I'm dressin' sharp and I'm actin' cool I got a cheerleader here wants to help with my paper I'll let her do all the work 'n' maybe later I'll rape her Oh God I am the American dream I do not think I'm too extreme An' I'm a handsome sonofabitch I'm gonna get a good job 'n' be real rich Get a good, get a good, get a good, get a good job... Women's Liberation Came creepin' all across the nation I tell you people, I was not ready When I fucked this dyke by the name of Freddie She made a little speech then, Aw, she tried to make me say when She had my balls in a vice, but she left my dick I guess it's still hooked on, but now it shoots too quick Oh God I am the American dream, But now I smell like Vaseline An' I'm a miserable sonofabitch Am I a boy or a lady... I don't know which I wonder... wonder... wonder... wonder... So I went out 'n' bought me a leisure suit I jingle my change, but I'm still kinda cute Got a job doin' radio promo An' none of the jocks can even tell I'm a homo Eventually me 'n' a friend Sorta drifted along into S&M I can take about an hour on the tower of power 'Long as I gets a little golden shower Oh God I am the American Dream With a spindle up my butt till it makes me scream An' I'll do anything to get ahead I lay awake nights saying "Thank you Fred" Oh God, Oh God, I'm so fantastic! And my name is Bobby Brown Watch me now, I'm going down And my name is Bobby Brown Watch me now, I'm going down And my name is Bobby Brown Watch me now, I'm going down And my name is Bobby Brown Watch me now, I'm going down I knew you'd be surprised...
Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
*Body is 146938 characters too long.
Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
So much music has been blended into "rock" over time, but ask punks, new-wave, etc. back in the 70s and 80s if they were rock...."fuck no" would be their response. Maybe open the whole thing up for all music, add in pop, country, rap, and what you think "rock" is. That would be interesting.
Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
*Body is 146938 characters too long.
Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
So much music has been blended into "rock" over time, but ask punks, new-wave, etc. back in the 70s and 80s if they were rock...."fuck no" would be their response. Maybe open the whole thing up for all music, add in pop, country, rap, and what you think "rock" is. That would be interesting.
Accept the fact that even though The Cure get lumped into the new wave glut like The Smiths do that neither of them are what I would describe as typical New Wave groups. The Cure, along with Bauhaus and Joy Division originated from the Bat Cave scene of the late 70's. They really, outside of a few singles, have zero in common with Flock of Seagulls, Big Country or even Duran Duran. That is the truth. End of argument.
Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
*Body is 146938 characters too long.
Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
So much music has been blended into "rock" over time, but ask punks, new-wave, etc. back in the 70s and 80s if they were rock...."fuck no" would be their response. Maybe open the whole thing up for all music, add in pop, country, rap, and what you think "rock" is. That would be interesting.
Accept the fact that even though The Cure get lumped into the new wave glut like The Smiths do that neither of them are what I would describe as typical New Wave groups. The Cure, along with Bauhaus and Joy Division originated from the Bat Cave scene of the late 70's. They really, outside of a few singles, have zero in common with Flock of Seagulls, Big Country or even Duran Duran. That is the truth. End of argument.
Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
*Body is 146938 characters too long.
Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
So much music has been blended into "rock" over time, but ask punks, new-wave, etc. back in the 70s and 80s if they were rock...."fuck no" would be their response. Maybe open the whole thing up for all music, add in pop, country, rap, and what you think "rock" is. That would be interesting.
Accept the fact that even though The Cure get lumped into the new wave glut like The Smiths do that neither of them are what I would describe as typical New Wave groups. The Cure, along with Bauhaus and Joy Division originated from the Bat Cave scene of the late 70's. They really, outside of a few singles, have zero in common with Flock of Seagulls, Big Country or even Duran Duran. That is the truth. End of argument.
Recorded in 1978 and early 79, released I'm May 1979. I feel better now.
Not rock....
Not a good take...
The Cure are an English rock band formed in Crawley, West Sussex, in 1978.[1][2][3] The band members have changed several times, with guitarist, lead vocalist, and songwriter Robert Smith being the only constant member. The band's debut album was Three Imaginary Boys (1979) and this, along with several early singles, placed the band in the post-punk and new wave movements that had sprung up in the United Kingdom.
Thanks for proving my point. Post-punk, new wave are classes of Rock, like metal, grunge, surf, garage, etc.
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Rock music is a broad genre of popular music that originated as "rock and roll" in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and developed into a range of different styles in the mid-1960s and later, particularly in the United States and the United Kingdom.[1][2] It has its roots in 1940s and 1950s rock and roll, a style which drew heavily from the genres of blues, rhythm and blues, and from country music. Rock music also drew strongly from a number of other genres such as electric blues and folk, and incorporated influences from jazz, classical and other musical styles. For instrumentation, rock has centered on the electric guitar, usually as part of a rock group with electric bass, drums, and one or more singers. Usually, rock is song-based music with a 4/4 time signature using a verse–chorus form, but the genre has become extremely diverse. Like pop music, lyrics often stress romantic love but also address a wide variety of other themes that are frequently social or political.
Contents 1 Characteristics 2 Rock and roll era (late 1940s–1964) 2.1 Rock and roll 2.2 Pop rock and instrumental rock 2.3 Surf music 3 Classic rock era (1964–1991) 3.1 British Invasion 3.2 Garage rock 3.3 Blues rock 3.4 Folk rock 3.5 Psychedelic rock 3.6 Progressive rock 3.7 Jazz rock 3.8 Roots rock 3.9 Country rock 3.10 Southern rock 3.11 Glam rock 3.12 Latin rock 3.13 Chicano rock 3.14 1970s commodification 3.15 Soft rock 3.16 Hard rock 3.17 Heavy metal 3.18 Christian rock 3.19 Heartland rock 3.20 Glam metal 3.21 Emergence of rap rock 4 Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) 4.1 Punk 4.2 New wave 4.3 Post-punk 4.4 Emergence of post-hardcore and emo 4.5 Emergence of alternative rock 4.6 Emergence of grunge 5 Grunge's popularity and its aftermath (1991–2008) 5.1 Mainstreaming of grunge and alternative rock 5.2 Britpop 5.3 Post-grunge 5.4 Pop punk 5.5 Indie rock 5.6 Alternative metal 5.7 Mainstreaming of rap rock and nu metal 5.8 Post-Britpop 5.9 Mainstreaming of post-hardcore and emo 5.10 Garage rock/post-punk revival 5.11 Digital electronic rock
A good definition of rock, in fact, is that it's popular music that to a certain degree doesn't care if it's popular. —Bill Wyman in Vulture (2016)
A simple 4/4 drum pattern common in rock music About this soundPlay (help·info) Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
Punk and its aftermath (1976–1991) Punk Main article: Punk rock See also: Protopunk and Hardcore punk
The Sex Pistols performing in Amsterdam in 1977 Punk rock was developed between 1974 and 1976 in the United States and the United Kingdom. Rooted in garage rock and other forms of what is now known as protopunk music, punk rock bands eschewed the perceived excesses of mainstream 1970s rock.[215] They created fast, hard-edged music, typically with short songs, stripped-down instrumentation, and often political, anti-establishment lyrics. Punk embraces a DIY (do it yourself) ethic, with many bands self-producing their recordings and distributing them through informal channels.[216]
By late 1976, acts such as the Ramones and Patti Smith, in New York City, and the Sex Pistols and the Clash, in London, were recognized as the vanguard of a new musical movement.[215] The following year saw punk rock spreading around the world. Punk quickly, though briefly, became a major cultural phenomenon in the United Kingdom. For the most part, punk took root in local scenes that tended to reject association with the mainstream. An associated punk subculture emerged, expressing youthful rebellion and characterized by distinctive clothing styles and a variety of anti-authoritarian ideologies.[217]
By the beginning of the 1980s, faster, more aggressive styles such as hardcore and Oi! had become the predominant mode of punk rock.[218] This has resulted in several evolved strains of hardcore punk, such as D-beat (a distortion-heavy subgenre influenced by the UK band Discharge), anarcho-punk (such as Crass), grindcore (such as Napalm Death), and crust punk.[219] Musicians identifying with or inspired by punk also pursued a broad range of other variations, giving rise to the new wave, post-punk, and alternative rock movements.[215]
New wave Main articles: New wave music and Synth-pop See also: New Romantic and Electronic rock A black and white photograph of Debbie Harry on stage with a microphone Debbie Harry from the band Blondie, performing at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1977 Although punk rock was a significant social and musical phenomenon, it achieved less in the way of record sales (being distributed by small specialty labels such as Stiff Records),[220] or American radio airplay (as the radio scene continued to be dominated by mainstream formats such as disco and album-oriented rock).[221] Punk rock had attracted devotees from the art and collegiate world and soon bands sporting a more literate, arty approach, such as Talking Heads and Devo began to infiltrate the punk scene; in some quarters the description "new wave" began to be used to differentiate these less overtly punk bands.[222] Record executives, who had been mostly mystified by the punk movement, recognized the potential of the more accessible new wave acts and began aggressively signing and marketing any band that could claim a remote connection to punk or new wave.[223] Many of these bands, such as the Cars and the Go-Go's can be seen as pop bands marketed as new wave;[224] other existing acts, including the Police, the Pretenders and Elvis Costello, used the new wave movement as the springboard for relatively long and critically successful careers,[225] while "skinny tie" bands exemplified by the Knack,[226] or the photogenic Blondie, began as punk acts and moved into more commercial territory.[227]
Between 1979 and 1985, influenced by Kraftwerk, Yellow Magic Orchestra, David Bowie and Gary Numan, British new wave went in the direction of such New Romantics as Spandau Ballet, Ultravox, Japan, Duran Duran, A Flock of Seagulls, Culture Club, Talk Talk and the Eurythmics, sometimes using the synthesizer to replace all other instruments.[228] This period coincided with the rise of MTV and led to a great deal of exposure for this brand of synth-pop, creating what has been characterised as a second British Invasion.[229] Some more traditional rock bands adapted to the video age and profited from MTV's airplay, most obviously Dire Straits, whose "Money for Nothing" gently poked fun at the station, despite the fact that it had helped make them international stars,[230] but in general, guitar-oriented rock was commercially eclipsed.[231]
Post-punk Main article: Post-punk See also: Gothic rock and Industrial music A color photograph of members of the band U2 performing on stage U2 performing on the Joshua Tree Tour 2017 If hardcore most directly pursued the stripped down aesthetic of punk, and new wave came to represent its commercial wing, post-punk emerged in the later 1970s and early 1980s as its more artistic and challenging side. Major influences beside punk bands were the Velvet Underground, Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, and the New York-based no wave scene which placed an emphasis on performance, including bands such as James Chance and the Contortions, DNA and Sonic Youth.[232] Early contributors to the genre included the US bands Pere Ubu, Devo, the Residents and Talking Heads.[232]
The first wave of British post-punk included Gang of Four, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Joy Division, who placed less emphasis on art than their US counterparts and more on the dark emotional qualities of their music.[232] Bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, the Cure, and the Sisters of Mercy, moved increasingly in this direction to found Gothic rock, which had become the basis of a major sub-culture by the early 1980s.[233] Similar emotional territory was pursued by Australian acts like the Birthday Party and Nick Cave.[232] Members of Bauhaus and Joy Division explored new stylistic territory as Love and Rockets and New Order respectively.[232] Another early post-punk movement was the industrial music[234] developed by British bands Throbbing Gristle and Cabaret Voltaire, and New York-based Suicide, using a variety of electronic and sampling techniques that emulated the sound of industrial production and which would develop into a variety of forms of post-industrial music in the 1980s.[235]
The second generation of British post-punk bands that broke through in the early 1980s, including the Fall, the Pop Group, the Mekons, Echo and the Bunnymen and the Teardrop Explodes, tended to move away from dark sonic landscapes.[232] Arguably the most successful band to emerge from post-punk was Ireland's U2, who incorporated elements of religious imagery together with political commentary into their often anthemic music, and by the late 1980s had become one of the biggest bands in the world.[236] Although many post-punk bands continued to record and perform, it declined as a movement in the mid-1980s as acts disbanded or moved off to explore other musical areas, but it has continued to influence the development of rock music and has been seen as a major element in the creation of the alternative rock movement.[237]
So much music has been blended into "rock" over time, but ask punks, new-wave, etc. back in the 70s and 80s if they were rock...."fuck no" would be their response. Maybe open the whole thing up for all music, add in pop, country, rap, and what you think "rock" is. That would be interesting.
Accept the fact that even though The Cure get lumped into the new wave glut like The Smiths do that neither of them are what I would describe as typical New Wave groups. The Cure, along with Bauhaus and Joy Division originated from the Bat Cave scene of the late 70's. They really, outside of a few singles, have zero in common with Flock of Seagulls, Big Country or even Duran Duran. That is the truth. End of argument.
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#boobs
It was a remarkable 2and first album with big shoes to fill
but how can you contend with lyrics like
'with a garlic aroma that can level Tacoma'
'with gigantic tits and sand-blasted zits'
EDIT: picked Sheik Yerbouti because I have to go to Tacoma tomorrow and I was singing this song the other day when I counted 19 snakes on the edge of the driveway
They say I'm the cutest boy in town
My car is fast, my teeth is shiney
I tell all the girls they can kiss my heinie
Here I am at a famous school
I'm dressin' sharp and I'm actin' cool
I got a cheerleader here wants to help with my paper
I'll let her do all the work 'n' maybe later I'll rape her
Oh God I am the American dream
I do not think I'm too extreme
An' I'm a handsome sonofabitch
I'm gonna get a good job 'n' be real rich
Get a good, get a good, get a good, get a good job...
Women's Liberation
Came creepin' all across the nation
I tell you people, I was not ready
When I fucked this dyke by the name of Freddie
She made a little speech then,
Aw, she tried to make me say when
She had my balls in a vice, but she left my dick
I guess it's still hooked on, but now it shoots too quick
Oh God I am the American dream,
But now I smell like Vaseline
An' I'm a miserable sonofabitch
Am I a boy or a lady... I don't know which
I wonder... wonder... wonder... wonder...
So I went out 'n' bought me a leisure suit
I jingle my change, but I'm still kinda cute
Got a job doin' radio promo
An' none of the jocks can even tell I'm a homo
Eventually me 'n' a friend
Sorta drifted along into S&M
I can take about an hour on the tower of power
'Long as I gets a little golden shower
Oh God I am the American Dream
With a spindle up my butt till it makes me scream
An' I'll do anything to get ahead
I lay awake nights saying "Thank you Fred"
Oh God, Oh God, I'm so fantastic!
And my name is Bobby Brown
Watch me now, I'm going down
And my name is Bobby Brown
Watch me now, I'm going down
And my name is Bobby Brown
Watch me now, I'm going down
And my name is Bobby Brown
Watch me now, I'm going down
I knew you'd be surprised...
"It wasn't the first
It wasn't the last
It wasn't that she didn't care
She wanted it hard
And wanted it fast
She liked it done medium rare"
...Poetry
Sex is fine
We’re the class
Of 79...
It’s a tie