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Coronavirus: Trump says he’s been taking hydroxychloroquine for a ‘few weeks’

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  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,836 Standard Supporter
    Like all rats, they lie. Cuomo is a POS liar. Rain is wet.
  • MontlakeBridgeTrollMontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 924

    Pelosi was on Anderson Cooper last night saying Trump shouldn't take it because he's "Morbidly Obese". Hope Stacey Abrams doesn't start taking it as well.

    I disagree with Pelosi here. I'm all for our morbidly obese dumbshit in chief taking a drug that poses health risks to morbidly obese people.
    The stupidity of the left
    I'd explain to you the irony of someone from the Wal-Mart Trump fan class trying to judge the intelligence of others but I'm certain that if you were capable of understanding it you'd already know.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,614
    He's actually got it backwards. Chloroquine is a derivative of quinine, not the other way around.

    Still, LULZ.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 104,439 Founders Club

    Pelosi was on Anderson Cooper last night saying Trump shouldn't take it because he's "Morbidly Obese". Hope Stacey Abrams doesn't start taking it as well.

    I disagree with Pelosi here. I'm all for our morbidly obese dumbshit in chief taking a drug that poses health risks to morbidly obese people.
    The stupidity of the left
    I'd explain to you the irony of someone from the Wal-Mart Trump fan class trying to judge the intelligence of others but I'm certain that if you were capable of understanding it you'd already know.
    Keep mocking the "wal mart" crowd. That's what cost Hillary the election in 2016. Solid strategy making fun of half the country.
    Trumptard
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    Beyond these studies of individual patients, we have seen what happens in large populations when these drugs are used. These have been "natural experiments." In the northern Brazil state of Pará, COVID-19 deaths were increasing exponentially. On April 6, the public hospital network purchased 75,000 doses of azithromycin and 90,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine. Over the next few weeks, authorities began distributing these medications to infected individuals. Even though new cases continued to occur, on May 22 the death rate started to plummet and is now about one-eighth what it was at the peak.
    A reverse natural experiment happened in Switzerland. On May 27, the Swiss national government banned outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. Around June 10, COVID-19 deaths increased four-fold and remained elevated. On June 11, the Swiss government revoked the ban, and on June 23 the death rate reverted to what it had been beforehand. People who die from COVID-19 live about three to five weeks from the start of symptoms, which makes the evidence of a causal relation in these experiments strong. Both episodes suggest that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and its companion medications reduces mortality and should be immediately adopted as the new standard of care in high-risk patients.
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,208
    Liberals caused deaths needlessly of thousands due to their tds
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter
    89ute said:

    Trump said a lot of stupid shit in March & April. I don’t his talk of hydroxychorolinebebebh was one of them. Hell, even @BearsWiin was positive about the stuff.

    I don’t know if the shit works. Politicizing even research & trials on it was pure TDS fuckery.

    The fact that it's super cheap and readily available does not help. It's almost like someone or something does not want a resounding stoppage to this deadly pandemic.
    One poont I saw elsewhere (maybe Scott Adams, maybe someone else), that is harleyquinn/zpac/zinc stack was truly a magic bullet, there’d be no hiding it.
  • GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 6,208
    My understanding is that it works a lot better when taken immediately. And yes in our media they will hide things. After all, they are hiding the spying that happened.
  • whatshouldicareaboutwhatshouldicareabout Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,705 Swaye's Wigwam

    Beyond these studies of individual patients, we have seen what happens in large populations when these drugs are used. These have been "natural experiments." In the northern Brazil state of Pará, COVID-19 deaths were increasing exponentially. On April 6, the public hospital network purchased 75,000 doses of azithromycin and 90,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine. Over the next few weeks, authorities began distributing these medications to infected individuals. Even though new cases continued to occur, on May 22 the death rate started to plummet and is now about one-eighth what it was at the peak.
    A reverse natural experiment happened in Switzerland. On May 27, the Swiss national government banned outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. Around June 10, COVID-19 deaths increased four-fold and remained elevated. On June 11, the Swiss government revoked the ban, and on June 23 the death rate reverted to what it had been beforehand. People who die from COVID-19 live about three to five weeks from the start of symptoms, which makes the evidence of a causal relation in these experiments strong. Both episodes suggest that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and its companion medications reduces mortality and should be immediately adopted as the new standard of care in high-risk patients.
    Right now, there is more observational evidence that suggests no effect than effect, whether it's used for prevention or for treatment.

    To counter those claims from the Newsweek article, US saw decreases in deaths from April to May. It does not mention control for confounding between the two points in Brazil (e.g., if more old people had cases in April then most young people had cases in May).

    Swiss one doesn't account for what outpatient or inpatient use of the drug was like before or after the ban. Additionally, the ban was only on outpatient use, so the critically ill could still receive it inpatient. Also, the deaths did quadruple, but it was from about 2 to 8. Switzerland has been relatively flat from about May 12 onward.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,485 Standard Supporter

    Beyond these studies of individual patients, we have seen what happens in large populations when these drugs are used. These have been "natural experiments." In the northern Brazil state of Pará, COVID-19 deaths were increasing exponentially. On April 6, the public hospital network purchased 75,000 doses of azithromycin and 90,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine. Over the next few weeks, authorities began distributing these medications to infected individuals. Even though new cases continued to occur, on May 22 the death rate started to plummet and is now about one-eighth what it was at the peak.
    A reverse natural experiment happened in Switzerland. On May 27, the Swiss national government banned outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. Around June 10, COVID-19 deaths increased four-fold and remained elevated. On June 11, the Swiss government revoked the ban, and on June 23 the death rate reverted to what it had been beforehand. People who die from COVID-19 live about three to five weeks from the start of symptoms, which makes the evidence of a causal relation in these experiments strong. Both episodes suggest that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and its companion medications reduces mortality and should be immediately adopted as the new standard of care in high-risk patients.
    Right now, there is more observational evidence that suggests no effect than effect, whether it's used for prevention or for treatment.

    To counter those claims from the Newsweek article, US saw decreases in deaths from April to May. It does not mention control for confounding between the two points in Brazil (e.g., if more old people had cases in April then most young people had cases in May).

    Swiss one doesn't account for what outpatient or inpatient use of the drug was like before or after the ban. Additionally, the ban was only on outpatient use, so the critically ill could still receive it inpatient. Also, the deaths did quadruple, but it was from about 2 to 8. Switzerland has been relatively flat from about May 12 onward.
    Rational discussion here is verboten
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 14,997 Standard Supporter
    The problem is that for some reason the medical profession nor the MSM does not want an accurate assessment of HXQ, Z pack and zinc when administered early. There is plenty of strong anecdotal evidence. But, for example, in Oregon I don't know if it is routinely administered early in a chicom crud positive case, particularly with underlying medical issues.
  • NorthwestFreshNorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    Democrats and RINOs killed tens of thousands needlessly in order to defeat Trump and make their Big Pharma donors happy with vaccines and on-patent meds. Yes, that did happen.
  • HouhuskyHouhusky Member Posts: 5,537

    Beyond these studies of individual patients, we have seen what happens in large populations when these drugs are used. These have been "natural experiments." In the northern Brazil state of Pará, COVID-19 deaths were increasing exponentially. On April 6, the public hospital network purchased 75,000 doses of azithromycin and 90,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine. Over the next few weeks, authorities began distributing these medications to infected individuals. Even though new cases continued to occur, on May 22 the death rate started to plummet and is now about one-eighth what it was at the peak.
    A reverse natural experiment happened in Switzerland. On May 27, the Swiss national government banned outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19. Around June 10, COVID-19 deaths increased four-fold and remained elevated. On June 11, the Swiss government revoked the ban, and on June 23 the death rate reverted to what it had been beforehand. People who die from COVID-19 live about three to five weeks from the start of symptoms, which makes the evidence of a causal relation in these experiments strong. Both episodes suggest that a combination of hydroxychloroquine and its companion medications reduces mortality and should be immediately adopted as the new standard of care in high-risk patients.
    Right now, there is more observational evidence that suggests no effect than effect, whether it's used for prevention or for treatment.

    To counter those claims from the Newsweek article, US saw decreases in deaths from April to May. It does not mention control for confounding between the two points in Brazil (e.g., if more old people had cases in April then most young people had cases in May).

    Swiss one doesn't account for what outpatient or inpatient use of the drug was like before or after the ban. Additionally, the ban was only on outpatient use, so the critically ill could still receive it inpatient. Also, the deaths did quadruple, but it was from about 2 to 8. Switzerland has been relatively flat from about May 12 onward.
    This website has 64 studies, 39 peer reviewed all cited and linked https://c19study.com/

    Pre, Post, and Early exposure HCQ treatment has returned high positive results, certainly well enough to merit regular prescription given its cost, accessibility, and known side-effects.

    The majority of the HCQ studies that returned mixed, no effect, or negative effect are in late treatment studies.


    Additionally... the IFR of covid is so low that studies are going to struggle with sample/control issues no matter the treatment.

    There are a lot of "tricks" to help but its hard to quantify what percentage you are helping of an already very small percentage, in people who are statistical outliers, that very likely are only at risk due to extreme age, unique healthcare conditions, and/or preexisting co-morbidity.

  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,862 Standard Supporter
    89ute said:

    Trump said a lot of stupid shit in March & April. I don’t his talk of hydroxychorolinebebebh was one of them. Hell, even @BearsWiin was positive about the stuff.

    I don’t know if the shit works. Politicizing even research & trials on it was pure TDS fuckery.

    The fact that it's super cheap and readily available does not help. It's almost like someone or something does not want a resounding stoppage to this deadly pandemic.
    If this HDCQ debate proves anything, it proves that the Democratic Party is no longer just corrupt and hypocritical, but has become truly evil.
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