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Eason went undrafted in first round of NFL Draft
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I don't know what exactly was said ... I suspect you have better insight than I do. Perfectly fine to take it offline if that works better.Baseman said:
Who says he's lazy? Pete? Jimmy (yes) Either way, why denigrate your player?Tequilla said:Is anything said about Eason actually wrong though?
There is a big difference between bad mouthing and speaking the truth.
Don't you guys get the bigger picture? Word travels. Look at recruiting. Opposing coaches smell blood in the water. The sharks are circling. The caliber of players actively considering us the past few years are now looking elsewhere. It's a major shit show.
Best in state class of our lifetime and excluding legacy Sam, we're on the outside looking in. When the Kennedy WRs commit, you'll know the wheels have come off.
Jimmy's changed, man, and not for the good.
My point simply is that if the feedback provided was that he struggled against pressure, was inconsistent, and that inconsistency likely a byproduct of not being a great practice player ... how much of that is necessarily untrue?
Now, if we're talking about taking personal shots at someone that isn't based on facts or reality and is more of being jilted about leaving early and ones on selfish interests that's a different story.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist right now to see that there are some big time issues in recruiting. Not being able to have spring drills isn't helping in terms of getting kids on campus and allowing them to see/compare what things look like under Lake. It's low hanging fruit for opposing coaches to throw pitches that Lake can't counter right now. It is what it is.
That being said, there's a huge issue with the balance of our assistant coaches right now on the recruiting trail ... particularly when you are setting recruiting targets to go after all the big boys of college football:
Kwiatkowski is one of the best DCs in college football and has improved as a recruiter but will never be confused as an ace recruiter.
Donovan seems to have done well inside of his domain ... but to say it's concerning when you hear a guy say that he really doesn't have any recruiting connections on the west coast and suggesting the part of pro football he really enjoyed was not having to recruit ... yikes.
Malloe/Huff are probably the best recruiters on staff and have shown the ability to be able to recruit well at the upper end of the P12. At this point, not sure they are anything but significant dogs against any of the major players in CFB.
Gregory/Boner has proven to be at best mid-tier P12 coaches and in no way shape or form capable of recruiting top tier players. They should have been bought out and replaced with ace recruiters. The fact that we went cheap is going to likely cost the program significantly in the next couple of years.
Adams may be a good positional coach (jury still out), but he's getting blown out on Egbuka and right now is likely not the favorite for Franklin. That'd be a devastating year.
Cato is the definition of green and thrown in the deep end ... missing shouldn't be considered surprising
DB coaches are supposed to be some of your better recruiters ... the jury is definitely out here on both Harris/Brown.
Best case, you have 2 upper tier recruiters on staff. What results are you expecting? It's like expecting to have strong sales when you underpay and put green reps out there against well compensated seasoned professionals. -
Any Indy Star subscribers round these parts? -
It comes down to better messaging. Accentuate everything positive about Eason. Don't compare him with Jake Haener or Browning. Scouts don't care about film rats.Tequilla said:
I don't know what exactly was said ... I suspect you have better insight than I do. Perfectly fine to take it offline if that works better.Baseman said:
Who says he's lazy? Pete? Jimmy (yes) Either way, why denigrate your player?Tequilla said:Is anything said about Eason actually wrong though?
There is a big difference between bad mouthing and speaking the truth.
Don't you guys get the bigger picture? Word travels. Look at recruiting. Opposing coaches smell blood in the water. The sharks are circling. The caliber of players actively considering us the past few years are now looking elsewhere. It's a major shit show.
Best in state class of our lifetime and excluding legacy Sam, we're on the outside looking in. When the Kennedy WRs commit, you'll know the wheels have come off.
Jimmy's changed, man, and not for the good.
My point simply is that if the feedback provided was that he struggled against pressure, was inconsistent, and that inconsistency likely a byproduct of not being a great practice player ... how much of that is necessarily untrue?
Now, if we're talking about taking personal shots at someone that isn't based on facts or reality and is more of being jilted about leaving early and ones on selfish interests that's a different story.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist right now to see that there are some big time issues in recruiting. Not being able to have spring drills isn't helping in terms of getting kids on campus and allowing them to see/compare what things look like under Lake. It's low hanging fruit for opposing coaches to throw pitches that Lake can't counter right now. It is what it is.
That being said, there's a huge issue with the balance of our assistant coaches right now on the recruiting trail ... particularly when you are setting recruiting targets to go after all the big boys of college football:
Kwiatkowski is one of the best DCs in college football and has improved as a recruiter but will never be confused as an ace recruiter.
Donovan seems to have done well inside of his domain ... but to say it's concerning when you hear a guy say that he really doesn't have any recruiting connections on the west coast and suggesting the part of pro football he really enjoyed was not having to recruit ... yikes.
Malloe/Huff are probably the best recruiters on staff and have shown the ability to be able to recruit well at the upper end of the P12. At this point, not sure they are anything but significant dogs against any of the major players in CFB.
Gregory/Boner has proven to be at best mid-tier P12 coaches and in no way shape or form capable of recruiting top tier players. They should have been bought out and replaced with ace recruiters. The fact that we went cheap is going to likely cost the program significantly in the next couple of years.
Adams may be a good positional coach (jury still out), but he's getting blown out on Egbuka and right now is likely not the favorite for Franklin. That'd be a devastating year.
Cato is the definition of green and thrown in the deep end ... missing shouldn't be considered surprising
DB coaches are supposed to be some of your better recruiters ... the jury is definitely out here on both Harris/Brown.
Best case, you have 2 upper tier recruiters on staff. What results are you expecting? It's like expecting to have strong sales when you underpay and put green reps out there against well compensated seasoned professionals.
Privately, Eason is a good dude but will never be confused with Tui or Billy Joe.
What should the staff say? Simply put, Eason is a good teammate with big upside. He started as FR in the SEC had to sit a year and learn a new system. He was handicapped by our offense, that's why we made a change. Enough said.
Promote your players. The higher Eason goes, the better for the program. We develop. We advocate for our players.
Word travels. -
Miami had just lost the Super Bowl to your Skins with a journeyman quarterbackwhlinder said:
Every team in the NFL passed on Dan Marino, except one.creepycoug said:
Marino's drop - to the bottom of the first round - was two things: (1) rumor he liked to do blow; and (2), my theory, a bad knee.RaceBannon said:Dan Marino dropped on character concerns
Not 5 rounds but still
He was so fucking good his rookie year - actually better than all the QBs take before him (including Elway) - that it was like immediately across the League "we fucked up." '
By far my favorite QB of all tim.
Every team in the NFL passed on Darrell Green.
Shula couldn't believe Marino was there -
Marino liked the white. Allegedly. See what I did there?RaceBannon said:
Miami had just lost the Super Bowl to your Skins with a journeyman quarterbackwhlinder said:
Every team in the NFL passed on Dan Marino, except one.creepycoug said:
Marino's drop - to the bottom of the first round - was two things: (1) rumor he liked to do blow; and (2), my theory, a bad knee.RaceBannon said:Dan Marino dropped on character concerns
Not 5 rounds but still
He was so fucking good his rookie year - actually better than all the QBs take before him (including Elway) - that it was like immediately across the League "we fucked up." '
By far my favorite QB of all tim.
Every team in the NFL passed on Darrell Green.
Shula couldn't believe Marino was there -
Totally get it ... it’s why what was said is so important to nail downBaseman said:
It comes down to better messaging. Accentuate everything positive about Eason. Don't compare him with Jake Haener or Browning. Scouts don't care about film rats.Tequilla said:
I don't know what exactly was said ... I suspect you have better insight than I do. Perfectly fine to take it offline if that works better.Baseman said:
Who says he's lazy? Pete? Jimmy (yes) Either way, why denigrate your player?Tequilla said:Is anything said about Eason actually wrong though?
There is a big difference between bad mouthing and speaking the truth.
Don't you guys get the bigger picture? Word travels. Look at recruiting. Opposing coaches smell blood in the water. The sharks are circling. The caliber of players actively considering us the past few years are now looking elsewhere. It's a major shit show.
Best in state class of our lifetime and excluding legacy Sam, we're on the outside looking in. When the Kennedy WRs commit, you'll know the wheels have come off.
Jimmy's changed, man, and not for the good.
My point simply is that if the feedback provided was that he struggled against pressure, was inconsistent, and that inconsistency likely a byproduct of not being a great practice player ... how much of that is necessarily untrue?
Now, if we're talking about taking personal shots at someone that isn't based on facts or reality and is more of being jilted about leaving early and ones on selfish interests that's a different story.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist right now to see that there are some big time issues in recruiting. Not being able to have spring drills isn't helping in terms of getting kids on campus and allowing them to see/compare what things look like under Lake. It's low hanging fruit for opposing coaches to throw pitches that Lake can't counter right now. It is what it is.
That being said, there's a huge issue with the balance of our assistant coaches right now on the recruiting trail ... particularly when you are setting recruiting targets to go after all the big boys of college football:
Kwiatkowski is one of the best DCs in college football and has improved as a recruiter but will never be confused as an ace recruiter.
Donovan seems to have done well inside of his domain ... but to say it's concerning when you hear a guy say that he really doesn't have any recruiting connections on the west coast and suggesting the part of pro football he really enjoyed was not having to recruit ... yikes.
Malloe/Huff are probably the best recruiters on staff and have shown the ability to be able to recruit well at the upper end of the P12. At this point, not sure they are anything but significant dogs against any of the major players in CFB.
Gregory/Boner has proven to be at best mid-tier P12 coaches and in no way shape or form capable of recruiting top tier players. They should have been bought out and replaced with ace recruiters. The fact that we went cheap is going to likely cost the program significantly in the next couple of years.
Adams may be a good positional coach (jury still out), but he's getting blown out on Egbuka and right now is likely not the favorite for Franklin. That'd be a devastating year.
Cato is the definition of green and thrown in the deep end ... missing shouldn't be considered surprising
DB coaches are supposed to be some of your better recruiters ... the jury is definitely out here on both Harris/Brown.
Best case, you have 2 upper tier recruiters on staff. What results are you expecting? It's like expecting to have strong sales when you underpay and put green reps out there against well compensated seasoned professionals.
Privately, Eason is a good dude but will never be confused with Tui or Billy Joe.
What should the staff say? Simply put, Eason is a good teammate with big upside. He started as FR in the SEC had to sit a year and learn a new system. He was handicapped by our offense, that's why we made a change. Enough said.
Promote your players. The higher Eason goes, the better for the program. We develop. We advocate for our players.
Word travels.
I’d expect that coaches were asked to talk about Eason’s strengths and weaknesses
I’d have said that Eason has some generational arm talent that allows him to make throws that many others can’t ... I’d talk about the work he did during the transfer year to improve his craft and be a good teammate
I’d also say that a lot of his areas to improve (ie against pressure and decision making) are reflective of a kid that hadn’t played in 2 years and needs more reps to iron some of that out.
I don’t think any of that is particularly damaging ... also important for coaches to be honest for not only the reasons you mentioned but also in terms of building trust w NFL evaluators for future players -
Blaming UW coaches for Eason's fall in the draft is dumb as fuck...Baseman said:
It comes down to better messaging. Accentuate everything positive about Eason. Don't compare him with Jake Haener or Browning. Scouts don't care about film rats.Tequilla said:
I don't know what exactly was said ... I suspect you have better insight than I do. Perfectly fine to take it offline if that works better.Baseman said:
Who says he's lazy? Pete? Jimmy (yes) Either way, why denigrate your player?Tequilla said:Is anything said about Eason actually wrong though?
There is a big difference between bad mouthing and speaking the truth.
Don't you guys get the bigger picture? Word travels. Look at recruiting. Opposing coaches smell blood in the water. The sharks are circling. The caliber of players actively considering us the past few years are now looking elsewhere. It's a major shit show.
Best in state class of our lifetime and excluding legacy Sam, we're on the outside looking in. When the Kennedy WRs commit, you'll know the wheels have come off.
Jimmy's changed, man, and not for the good.
My point simply is that if the feedback provided was that he struggled against pressure, was inconsistent, and that inconsistency likely a byproduct of not being a great practice player ... how much of that is necessarily untrue?
Now, if we're talking about taking personal shots at someone that isn't based on facts or reality and is more of being jilted about leaving early and ones on selfish interests that's a different story.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist right now to see that there are some big time issues in recruiting. Not being able to have spring drills isn't helping in terms of getting kids on campus and allowing them to see/compare what things look like under Lake. It's low hanging fruit for opposing coaches to throw pitches that Lake can't counter right now. It is what it is.
That being said, there's a huge issue with the balance of our assistant coaches right now on the recruiting trail ... particularly when you are setting recruiting targets to go after all the big boys of college football:
Kwiatkowski is one of the best DCs in college football and has improved as a recruiter but will never be confused as an ace recruiter.
Donovan seems to have done well inside of his domain ... but to say it's concerning when you hear a guy say that he really doesn't have any recruiting connections on the west coast and suggesting the part of pro football he really enjoyed was not having to recruit ... yikes.
Malloe/Huff are probably the best recruiters on staff and have shown the ability to be able to recruit well at the upper end of the P12. At this point, not sure they are anything but significant dogs against any of the major players in CFB.
Gregory/Boner has proven to be at best mid-tier P12 coaches and in no way shape or form capable of recruiting top tier players. They should have been bought out and replaced with ace recruiters. The fact that we went cheap is going to likely cost the program significantly in the next couple of years.
Adams may be a good positional coach (jury still out), but he's getting blown out on Egbuka and right now is likely not the favorite for Franklin. That'd be a devastating year.
Cato is the definition of green and thrown in the deep end ... missing shouldn't be considered surprising
DB coaches are supposed to be some of your better recruiters ... the jury is definitely out here on both Harris/Brown.
Best case, you have 2 upper tier recruiters on staff. What results are you expecting? It's like expecting to have strong sales when you underpay and put green reps out there against well compensated seasoned professionals.
Privately, Eason is a good dude but will never be confused with Tui or Billy Joe.
What should the staff say? Simply put, Eason is a good teammate with big upside. He started as FR in the SEC had to sit a year and learn a new system. He was handicapped by our offense, that's why we made a change. Enough said.
Promote your players. The higher Eason goes, the better for the program. We develop. We advocate for our players.
Word travels.
No coach wants to work with an unmotivated dumb fuck at QB... especially one who isnt all that great... Scouts and GMs sniff that shit out really fast, especially in a QB turning in rather average performances.
Eason's play this year did not match up with what he really should have been able to do, its clear there was something weird going on and a lot was related to his mental preparation. His reportedly shitty interviews probably just confirmed their suspicion for many of them.
If Eason was actually a winner the Jay Cutler comparisons would fit better, except Eason cant smoke a cig on the sideline and then walk onto the field and win the game in the 4th quarter. -
I'm pretty fucking spot on with all of my opinions and observations, except that I have two pretty bad blind spots: the Miami Hurricanes, and Dan Marino.Baseman said:
Marino liked the white. Allegedly. See what I did there?RaceBannon said:
Miami had just lost the Super Bowl to your Skins with a journeyman quarterbackwhlinder said:
Every team in the NFL passed on Dan Marino, except one.creepycoug said:
Marino's drop - to the bottom of the first round - was two things: (1) rumor he liked to do blow; and (2), my theory, a bad knee.RaceBannon said:Dan Marino dropped on character concerns
Not 5 rounds but still
He was so fucking good his rookie year - actually better than all the QBs take before him (including Elway) - that it was like immediately across the League "we fucked up." '
By far my favorite QB of all tim.
Every team in the NFL passed on Darrell Green.
Shula couldn't believe Marino was there
I don't care if you go heels; it's 7-11 tim if you bad mouth Dan the Man again. -
Neither could Cutler tbhHouhusky said:
Blaming UW coaches for Eason's fall in the draft is dumb as fuck...Baseman said:
It comes down to better messaging. Accentuate everything positive about Eason. Don't compare him with Jake Haener or Browning. Scouts don't care about film rats.Tequilla said:
I don't know what exactly was said ... I suspect you have better insight than I do. Perfectly fine to take it offline if that works better.Baseman said:
Who says he's lazy? Pete? Jimmy (yes) Either way, why denigrate your player?Tequilla said:Is anything said about Eason actually wrong though?
There is a big difference between bad mouthing and speaking the truth.
Don't you guys get the bigger picture? Word travels. Look at recruiting. Opposing coaches smell blood in the water. The sharks are circling. The caliber of players actively considering us the past few years are now looking elsewhere. It's a major shit show.
Best in state class of our lifetime and excluding legacy Sam, we're on the outside looking in. When the Kennedy WRs commit, you'll know the wheels have come off.
Jimmy's changed, man, and not for the good.
My point simply is that if the feedback provided was that he struggled against pressure, was inconsistent, and that inconsistency likely a byproduct of not being a great practice player ... how much of that is necessarily untrue?
Now, if we're talking about taking personal shots at someone that isn't based on facts or reality and is more of being jilted about leaving early and ones on selfish interests that's a different story.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist right now to see that there are some big time issues in recruiting. Not being able to have spring drills isn't helping in terms of getting kids on campus and allowing them to see/compare what things look like under Lake. It's low hanging fruit for opposing coaches to throw pitches that Lake can't counter right now. It is what it is.
That being said, there's a huge issue with the balance of our assistant coaches right now on the recruiting trail ... particularly when you are setting recruiting targets to go after all the big boys of college football:
Kwiatkowski is one of the best DCs in college football and has improved as a recruiter but will never be confused as an ace recruiter.
Donovan seems to have done well inside of his domain ... but to say it's concerning when you hear a guy say that he really doesn't have any recruiting connections on the west coast and suggesting the part of pro football he really enjoyed was not having to recruit ... yikes.
Malloe/Huff are probably the best recruiters on staff and have shown the ability to be able to recruit well at the upper end of the P12. At this point, not sure they are anything but significant dogs against any of the major players in CFB.
Gregory/Boner has proven to be at best mid-tier P12 coaches and in no way shape or form capable of recruiting top tier players. They should have been bought out and replaced with ace recruiters. The fact that we went cheap is going to likely cost the program significantly in the next couple of years.
Adams may be a good positional coach (jury still out), but he's getting blown out on Egbuka and right now is likely not the favorite for Franklin. That'd be a devastating year.
Cato is the definition of green and thrown in the deep end ... missing shouldn't be considered surprising
DB coaches are supposed to be some of your better recruiters ... the jury is definitely out here on both Harris/Brown.
Best case, you have 2 upper tier recruiters on staff. What results are you expecting? It's like expecting to have strong sales when you underpay and put green reps out there against well compensated seasoned professionals.
Privately, Eason is a good dude but will never be confused with Tui or Billy Joe.
What should the staff say? Simply put, Eason is a good teammate with big upside. He started as FR in the SEC had to sit a year and learn a new system. He was handicapped by our offense, that's why we made a change. Enough said.
Promote your players. The higher Eason goes, the better for the program. We develop. We advocate for our players.
Word travels.
No coach wants to work with an unmotivated dumb fuck at QB... especially one who isnt all that great... Scouts and GMs sniff that shit out really fast, especially in a QB turning in rather average performances.
Eason's play this year did not match up with what he really should have been able to do, its clear there was something weird going on and a lot was related to his mental preparation. His reportedly shitty interviews probably just confirmed their suspicion for many of them.
If Eason was actually a winner the Jay Cutler comparisons would fit better, except Eason cant smoke a cig on the sideline and then walk onto the field and win the game in the 4th quarter. -
Marino liked the white. Allegedly. See what I did there?RaceBannon said:
Miami had just lost the Super Bowl to your Skins with a journeyman quarterbackwhlinder said:
Every team in the NFL passed on Dan Marino, except one.creepycoug said:
Marino's drop - to the bottom of the first round - was two things: (1) rumor he liked to do blow; and (2), my theory, a bad knee.RaceBannon said:Dan Marino dropped on character concerns
Not 5 rounds but still
He was so fucking good his rookie year - actually better than all the QBs take before him (including Elway) - that it was like immediately across the League "we fucked up." '
By far my favorite QB of all tim.
Every team in the NFL passed on Darrell Green.
Shula couldn't believe Marino was there
Easy Francis. Dan's words, not mine. Komo 4. Have a watch.creepycoug said:
I'm pretty fucking spot on with all of my opinions and observations, except that I have two pretty bad blind spots: the Miami Hurricanes, and Dan Marino.Baseman said:
Marino liked the white. Allegedly. See what I did there?RaceBannon said:
Miami had just lost the Super Bowl to your Skins with a journeyman quarterbackwhlinder said:
Every team in the NFL passed on Dan Marino, except one.creepycoug said:
Marino's drop - to the bottom of the first round - was two things: (1) rumor he liked to do blow; and (2), my theory, a bad knee.RaceBannon said:Dan Marino dropped on character concerns
Not 5 rounds but still
He was so fucking good his rookie year - actually better than all the QBs take before him (including Elway) - that it was like immediately across the League "we fucked up." '
By far my favorite QB of all tim.
Every team in the NFL passed on Darrell Green.
Shula couldn't believe Marino was there
I don't care if you go heels; it's 7-11 tim if you bad mouth Dan the Man again.
