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KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,753
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edited April 2020 in Tug Tavern
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

John Hopkins in accordance with the Gates Foundation held a seminar in October of 2019. It was a "mock" Pandemic exercise. They had people go through every cause and effect of the Pandemic. How it effects Economies, Travel and what not.

I'm sure that this was just a huge coincidence, right?

Also most of the Democrat Governors strategy to contain the virus was and still is based on the Imperial College Doomsday prediction that 2.2 million Americans would die. The President of Imperial College was a former Clinton nominee.

Friday we got the results of the Stanford study, which of course took blood from 3300 Santa Clara residents and found that roughly 3 to 4 % have antibodies, which translates to 50 to 80 times of cases in the area than thought before. Deaths and Hospitalizations have been and are still going down. There's not much reason to believe that the results will be much different in other populated areas on the West Coast. So basically. we are dealing with the flu on the West Coast as it is killing about .2% of the people Who have had it in the study area.

And neither Inslee, Brown nor Newson have said a word about it.

But it's not political. At all.
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,348
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    A new USC study in conjunction with LA County has shown similar results. Also, the story of the Ohio prison where 73% of the inmates have or have had the VID but only a couple hundred ever displayed symptoms supports the theory these studies are suggesting. Perhaps we'll find the death rates are actually much lower than the best projections? Of course this would mean Race, Grundle and iDawg were right all along;-) You too of course!
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 14,220
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    edited April 2020
    Following the NYC model is economic suicide for the US. Use historical quarantine methods. The sick and the vulnerable should follow protocol. I dude fishing in his boat in eastern Washington being arrested and fined is what big government and fascism is all about.
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    MontlakeBridgeTrollMontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 920
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    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,227
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    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    Obey your leaders
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    USMChawkUSMChawk Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,796
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    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
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    USMChawkUSMChawk Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,796
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    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
    Source?
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    USMChawkUSMChawk Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,796
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    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
    Source?
    Where the fuck have you been? That’s been a leading story all week. Even The NY Times got off their asses and wrote an article about it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

    *edited* looks like it’s 3700, not 3900, my mistake.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,180
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    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    Stanford epidemiologists > Inslee's lackey UW crew.



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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
    Source?
    Where the fuck have you been? That’s been a leading story all week. Even The NY Times got off their asses and wrote an article about it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

    *edited* looks like it’s 3700, not 3900, my mistake.
    Right. I suppose we can quibble over the one time event of adding 3700 deaths due to suspected coronavirus without a formal test. There's also the flip side of people dying at home, presumably of the virus, and not being counted in the official figures.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest

    So argue in the margins all you want. The point is corona is much deadlier than the flu. This talking point has been steadily dying off over the last month, but it's not surprising to see this place as one of the last holdovers clinging to it.
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    MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,781
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    A new USC study in conjunction with LA County has shown similar results. Also, the story of the Ohio prison where 73% of the inmates have or have had the VID but only a couple hundred ever displayed symptoms supports the theory these studies are suggesting. Perhaps we'll find the death rates are actually much lower than the best projections? Of course this would mean Race, Grundle and iDawg were right all along;-) You too of course!

    I’ve been right since day 1
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,348
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    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
    Source?
    Where the fuck have you been? That’s been a leading story all week. Even The NY Times got off their asses and wrote an article about it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

    *edited* looks like it’s 3700, not 3900, my mistake.
    Right. I suppose we can quibble over the one time event of adding 3700 deaths due to suspected coronavirus without a formal test. There's also the flip side of people dying at home, presumably of the virus, and not being counted in the official figures.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest

    So argue in the margins all you want. The point is corona is much deadlier than the flu. This talking point has been steadily dying off over the last month, but it's not surprising to see this place as one of the last holdovers clinging to it.
    If the studies from Stanford and USC are accurate, then the VID may not be as deadly as you believe it to be. How can you be so sure when you don't know what percentage of the popularion was exposed to it?
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    GreenRiverGatorzGreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,147
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    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
    Source?
    Where the fuck have you been? That’s been a leading story all week. Even The NY Times got off their asses and wrote an article about it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

    *edited* looks like it’s 3700, not 3900, my mistake.
    Right. I suppose we can quibble over the one time event of adding 3700 deaths due to suspected coronavirus without a formal test. There's also the flip side of people dying at home, presumably of the virus, and not being counted in the official figures.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest

    So argue in the margins all you want. The point is corona is much deadlier than the flu. This talking point has been steadily dying off over the last month, but it's not surprising to see this place as one of the last holdovers clinging to it.
    If the studies from Stanford and USC are accurate, then the VID may not be as deadly as you believe it to be. How can you be so sure when you don't know what percentage of the popularion was exposed to it?
    Exactly. There's still a huge range of possibilities in terms of the virus's lethality. That's why I'm in favor of wide scale testing so we can get some answers.

    Either way, 40k in a month makes it way deadlier than the flu.
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    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    Chief Tugtard Epidemiologist here. To me, the 10-50x case count is sorta like astronomers inferring the presence of an invisible star by the movements of a visible star.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,180
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    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
    Source?
    Where the fuck have you been? That’s been a leading story all week. Even The NY Times got off their asses and wrote an article about it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

    *edited* looks like it’s 3700, not 3900, my mistake.
    Right. I suppose we can quibble over the one time event of adding 3700 deaths due to suspected coronavirus without a formal test. There's also the flip side of people dying at home, presumably of the virus, and not being counted in the official figures.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest

    So argue in the margins all you want. The point is corona is much deadlier than the flu. This talking point has been steadily dying off over the last month, but it's not surprising to see this place as one of the last holdovers clinging to it.
    If the studies from Stanford and USC are accurate, then the VID may not be as deadly as you believe it to be. How can you be so sure when you don't know what percentage of the popularion was exposed to it?
    Exactly. There's still a huge range of possibilities in terms of the virus's lethality. That's why I'm in favor of wide scale testing so we can get some answers.

    Either way, 40k in a month makes it way deadlier than the flu.
    What if the VID sweeps through and kills 40K and then that's it? The rest build up their antibodies and kick it's ass faster next time. The Throbber is relatively certain he has some VID-like symptoms in late January/early February but I ain't afraid of that shit now. Fuck off, VID.

    Everybody assumed linear/exponential expansion but if you beat it once, that's the whole point of herd immunity. It's difficult to beat a team three times in a season but twice ain't no big thing.

    By the time round 3 rolls around, it's going to be hot as fuck and i'm drinking copious amounts of Gin and Tonic as a preventative measure even though that shit tastes like bile.

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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,348
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    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    We know the 42,000 has been padded because there’s Federal money attached to it now. NY just added 3900 because it could have been Corona related. Didn’t confirm or test, just guessed.
    Source?
    Where the fuck have you been? That’s been a leading story all week. Even The NY Times got off their asses and wrote an article about it.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-deaths.html

    *edited* looks like it’s 3700, not 3900, my mistake.
    Right. I suppose we can quibble over the one time event of adding 3700 deaths due to suspected coronavirus without a formal test. There's also the flip side of people dying at home, presumably of the virus, and not being counted in the official figures.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/03/covid-19s-death-toll-appears-higher-than-official-figures-suggest

    So argue in the margins all you want. The point is corona is much deadlier than the flu. This talking point has been steadily dying off over the last month, but it's not surprising to see this place as one of the last holdovers clinging to it.
    If the studies from Stanford and USC are accurate, then the VID may not be as deadly as you believe it to be. How can you be so sure when you don't know what percentage of the popularion was exposed to it?
    Exactly. There's still a huge range of possibilities in terms of the virus's lethality. That's why I'm in favor of wide scale testing so we can get some answers.

    Either way, 40k in a month makes it way deadlier than the flu.
    I read a ton last night and there are several studies being done right now which should provide even more data. The 3 I read about are in CA (bay area town near Marin and the Mission district) and Florida. Each will test several thousand people. UCSF is doing the bay area study to determine any differences between an older and relatively cut off town to one which is younger and much more exposed. It was clear to me, the results of these tests are going to be hyper politicized especially if the are counter to the media's agenda. I know that's my worldview speaking but I think it's pretty obvious one exists.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 102,227
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    The lock down came too late. Trump has blood on his hands.

    The lock down saved us!!!!!!

    Let's pick a narrative and run with it
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    KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,753
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    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    With over half of the deaths in a 100 mile radius. And at least 7,000 of them "assumed covid" deaths anyway. We will find out soon just how many others have been fudged as we will see the pneumonia stats next week that coincide with the 20,000 death point. I bet you will find the pneumonia stats at least 30% lower than what they were last year.
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    doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
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    USMChawk said:

    It has already killed more Americans in 6 weeks than last year's flu killed in 52.

    But yeah... let's let some football message board epidemiologists figure it out. Salemcoog could only get into WSU but he knows better than the CDC...

    The 2018-2019 flu season killed 61,200 in the US and was considered a moderate flu season. The 2019-2020 flu season is still ongoing and the stats haven’t been finalized. The US Corona deaths stand at 42,531.

    Typical leftist bullshit. Make up a stat and hope no one fact checks.
    Over 42,000 in a little over a month with the most draconian lockdown measures taken since WW2. I believe every model that says the true number of cases could be 10-50x what's being reported (and it's not at all ironic that these are the only models the tugtards suddenly believe). But it's still demonstrably more deadly than the flu no matter which numbers you look at.
    bbbha aa aaa
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