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Navy evacuates 80% from TR.

GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
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Looks like Cozier was right. First sailor has died. Over 600 positive.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-navy-evacuates-roughly-80-of-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-2020-4
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    GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,481
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    An infection rate at roughly the low-end of that German study, ~13%, if they have tested every one on the ship.
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    LebamDawgLebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,559
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    I think they should have sunk the damn thing before the infection spread
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    MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,781
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    And leftists rejoice
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    GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,481
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    LebamDawg said:

    I think they should have sunk the damn thing before the infection spread

    Only way to be sure.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,269
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    When you announce one of our carriers is combat ineffective to world you should go to prison!
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    RoadTripRoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,332
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    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Swaye said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Of course Cozier was right. He was also rightly removed for insubordination. There's room in this world for both things to be true.

    This. Of course the ship needed serious medical intervention. Of course you do not put the entire chain of command on worldwide blast to accomplish this.
    Yep, his superiors may have very well been incompetent and putting his men at risk. Tough shit. You don't get to reform the military just because you've unilaterally decided that you're the righteous one in the situation. Same goes for Snowden, Manning, and the like. We have a rigid hierarchy for a reason.
    Wasn't there a Rear Admiral on the ship too? Fucking bueracracy.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    GDS said:

    Looks like Cozier was right. First sailor has died. Over 600 positive.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-navy-evacuates-roughly-80-of-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-2020-4

    Crozier was right to ignore the chain of command and announce publicly that his aircraft carrier wasn't battle ready?
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Swaye said:

    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Of course Cozier was right. He was also rightly removed for insubordination. There's room in this world for both things to be true.

    This. Of course the ship needed serious medical intervention. Of course you do not put the entire chain of command on worldwide blast to accomplish this.
    Yep, his superiors may have very well been incompetent and putting his men at risk. Tough shit. You don't get to reform the military just because you've unilaterally decided that you're the righteous one in the situation. Same goes for Snowden, Manning, and the like. We have a rigid hierarchy for a reason.
    Again, the Navy could be lying but they were already in the process of dealing with this situation when Cozier went public with his letter.

    Aircraft carrier has over 5,000 sailors on it and the Guam Naval base wasn't immediately ready to deal with that many people. They were in the process of setting up the facilities to deal with sailors being taken off the ship.

    Look how long it took them to get everyone off the cruise ship they docked here in Oakland. It took them over a week to get everyone off the ship and they had a facility that was already set up to receive people for quarantine out at Travis Air Force base. And that was a fucking cruise ship not an aircraft carrier with nuclear weapons.

    Again, the Navy could be lying but Cozier's actions were completely fucking irresponsible.

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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,078
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    GDS said:

    Looks like Cozier was right. First sailor has died. Over 600 positive.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-navy-evacuates-roughly-80-of-uss-theodore-roosevelt-crew-2020-4

    "Right" doesn't mean he should have circumvented the chain of command and played leaker.

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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,078
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    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Of course Cozier was right. He was also rightly removed for insubordination. There's room in this world for both things to be true.

    We should cyber.
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    MontlakeBridgeTrollMontlakeBridgeTroll Member Posts: 920
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    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,922
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    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    But other than your feelings you have no way of knowing that the chain of command was broken prior to Cozier breaking it. The naval base at Guam has a little over 6,000 active duty sailors stationed there. Their hospital and housing accommodations are sized accordingly.

    A carrier the size of the TR has over 5,000 sailors stationed on it. There was no immediate place to house and or quarantine the TR sailors on the base. The Navy was scrambling to build both the medical and housing/quarantine facilities they believed they were going to need.

    As I already pointed out with the cruise ship they docked in Oakland, under the best circumstances, it still took them a week to get everyone off that boat. They couldn't just turn everyone who was on the TR loose on the Island, they had to have somewhere to go.

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    SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,069
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    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clueless as you are cunty.
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    TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,765
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    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    Bag-O-Hammers, Dumber-Than Award Winner, right here.
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    Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,632
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    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clumsy as you are stupid
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 42,078
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    Pitchfork51 said:

    Swaye said:

    MontlakeBridgeTroll said:

    When the chain of command has a broken link, as this did above the commander, you go around that link.

    Sacrificing your crew for the sake of maintaing a beucracy is fucktarded and is the worst kind of putting the state ahead of the individual.

    You are as clumsy as you are stupid
    Klumsy, KIueless and Kunty.

    Same as it ever was with the leftists. Ax @KkkliffKkklingsbury .

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