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Ken Burns Civil War Series - Episode One: The Cause (1861)

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,698 Founders Club
    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,740 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff

    I blame Oregon. They welcomed all those traitorous cocksuckers with open arms after the War.
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,813 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff

    I blame Oregon. They welcomed all those traitorous cocksuckers with open arms after the War.
    I feel like Andrew Johnson set the conditions for reconstruction to fail and wonder what if Grant took over Lincoln’s death
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff

    I blame Oregon. They welcomed all those traitorous cocksuckers with open arms after the War.

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,740 Founders Club
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff

    I blame Oregon. They welcomed all those traitorous cocksuckers with open arms after the War.
    I feel like Andrew Johnson set the conditions for reconstruction to fail and wonder what if Grant took over Lincoln’s death
    This would make a great counter factual to research.
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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,740 Founders Club
    pawz said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff

    I blame Oregon. They welcomed all those traitorous cocksuckers with open arms after the War.

    My entire White Wakanda neighbor is either San Francisco cocka-sucka, Portland cocka-sucka or Seattle cocka-sucka.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    pawz said:

    HFNY said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    SECDAWG said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Shout out to our Shelby Foote @RaceBannon .

    Fuck off @SECDAWG you treasonous cousin fucker.

    @swaye @whlinder Northern Virginia is for gay lovers and losers.

    Sorry Pod. Minus slavery issues, I fight with my confederate brothers against big gubment.

    As Hank Jr sang:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qxEmry5lRKk

    Just needed more supplies. Could out shoot em 10:1.

    Was a terrible War. Lotta good lives lost and beautiful families and properties destroyed.

    SEC still hasn’t forgot and thus, football.
    The North

    1-0
    The South is the new North

    Uhm yeah, no. The GDP of the union states circa 1865 still dwarfs the CSA states. Both per capita and in absolute terms. Same as it ever was.

    This was key. The bigger population and better infrastructure was an absolute advantage and if not for McClellan, I wonder if the Civil War would have concluded in 1964.

    Has anyone read the Grant Book by Chernow? Ridiculously good. Grant is one of the most notable Americans ever IMHO.
    I literally finally finished it this week. Really good read. Biased though, I'm a long tim Chernow fan.

    Didn't know a lot about Grant before hand. One of our most underrated Presidents.

    He should have gone to the convention floor to get that 3rd term, IMO.


    For as great a leader as he was, it was amazing how he managed to get burned often in his business dealings.

    One mentally TUFF sob. That's for sure.



    @YellowSnow @HFNY @CFetters_Nacho_Lover @Doog_de_Jour
    Chernow's take on Worshington is also essential.

    I think his presidency was underrated and he did the best he could with Reconstruction. It was a losing hand, however, unless we? wanted to occupy @SECDAWG for 50 years.

    Don't know about 3rd term though. George set the precedent here and it was a good one. We don't need life long kings.
    Agree on Chernow's Worshington. Read Hamilton too long before it was a play. Essential.


    Disagree on POTUS term-limits. Long convo. TITTT.


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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    President Grant was willing to do what it took for reconstruction and reconciliation

    Congress wasn't

    Didn't help that the South was BACK in congress and rigged elections with Jim Crow to send white supremacist lawmakers


    Kids today think it's tuff

    I blame Oregon. They welcomed all those traitorous cocksuckers with open arms after the War.
    I feel like Andrew Johnson set the conditions for reconstruction to fail and wonder what if Grant took over Lincoln’s death

    AJ was a POS POTUS. Definitely racist af.

    Agree with Race. He was there. I doubt Grant would have fared any better earlier due to Southern White Democrats revolting. It must have been a bitter pill to swallow - when 3/5's became 1/1 - where the blick vote instantly sent blicks to Congress, state legislatures, mayorships, etc. Buttfuck those guysm.

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  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,740 Founders Club
    pawz said:

    YellowSnow said:

    pawz said:

    HFNY said:

    YellowSnow said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    SECDAWG said:

    YellowSnow said:

    Shout out to our Shelby Foote @RaceBannon .

    Fuck off @SECDAWG you treasonous cousin fucker.

    @swaye @whlinder Northern Virginia is for gay lovers and losers.

    Sorry Pod. Minus slavery issues, I fight with my confederate brothers against big gubment.

    As Hank Jr sang:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qxEmry5lRKk

    Just needed more supplies. Could out shoot em 10:1.

    Was a terrible War. Lotta good lives lost and beautiful families and properties destroyed.

    SEC still hasn’t forgot and thus, football.
    The North

    1-0
    The South is the new North

    Uhm yeah, no. The GDP of the union states circa 1865 still dwarfs the CSA states. Both per capita and in absolute terms. Same as it ever was.

    This was key. The bigger population and better infrastructure was an absolute advantage and if not for McClellan, I wonder if the Civil War would have concluded in 1964.

    Has anyone read the Grant Book by Chernow? Ridiculously good. Grant is one of the most notable Americans ever IMHO.
    I literally finally finished it this week. Really good read. Biased though, I'm a long tim Chernow fan.

    Didn't know a lot about Grant before hand. One of our most underrated Presidents.

    He should have gone to the convention floor to get that 3rd term, IMO.


    For as great a leader as he was, it was amazing how he managed to get burned often in his business dealings.

    One mentally TUFF sob. That's for sure.



    @YellowSnow @HFNY @CFetters_Nacho_Lover @Doog_de_Jour
    Chernow's take on Worshington is also essential.

    I think his presidency was underrated and he did the best he could with Reconstruction. It was a losing hand, however, unless we? wanted to occupy @SECDAWG for 50 years.

    Don't know about 3rd term though. George set the precedent here and it was a good one. We don't need life long kings.
    Agree on Chernow's Worshington. Read Hamilton too long before it was a play. Essential.


    Disagree on POTUS term-limits. Long convo. TITTT.


    I still need to read Hamilton.

    Never have seen the show, nor will I ever. I loathe Broadway Musicals (much to the displeasure of @MrsSnow and I don't need hip hop music to teach me history. I prefer books n' stuff for that.

    I'll give you an hour of chairlift Tug time this spring for HH Ski Club. You can say it to my face on the topics of your choosing.
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