Inflated numbers
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Why is #MN inflating COVID-19 death numbers?
Because they can.
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$$$$$$ $13,000 for a Vid patient in hospital, $39K if you put him on a ventilator $$$$$$$
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Lebam is spot on.LebamDawg said:$$$$$$ $13,000 for a Vid patient in hospital, $39K if you put him on a ventilator $$$$$$$
This ain't no conspiracy -it's a fact. Massive money grab. Worse than @YellowSnow putting the strong arm on the badgeless.
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All the more reason to keep expanding testing, which our feckless federal government is completely dropping the ball on. So far we've tested at a per capita rate of 0.0067. Some of that is a function of density, but countries like Canada, Australia, and fucking Russia are testing more than us. Pathetic.
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I do agree here. If we could get expanded testing we could fully understand the scope of this, and much better understand actual mortality rates, etc. The federal response has been pretty anemic here.GreenRiverGatorz said:All the more reason to keep expanding testing, which our feckless federal government is completely dropping the ball on. So far we've tested at a per capita rate of 0.0067. Some of that is a function of density, but countries like Canada, Australia, and fucking Russia are testing more than us. Pathetic.
It's almost starting to look like nobody actually wants to know how bad, or not bad, this situation is. We are on war footing already for bad, so if increased testing shows not bad, then the house of cards begins to crumble and even the simpletons start wondering why they are now out of work for nothing. You would figure though that if it really is super bad, someone might want to knwo that to justify their actions with actual evidence. This entire thing is bizarre. -
And yet the USA is #1 in the world for confirmed cases. 3x more than #2. Seems odd that two countries that border one another have vastly different results. The country that is doing an amazing job of testing has 20,000 confirmed cases. The country that is doing so poorly has 435,000. I'm not sure but I believe that the two countries took action around the same time to curb this scourge. Interesting difference. What (money) could be (money) the difference (money) in the two countries (money) confirmed case totals (money)?GreenRiverGatorz said:All the more reason to keep expanding testing, which our feckless federal government is completely dropping the ball on. So far we've tested at a per capita rate of 0.0067. Some of that is a function of density, but countries like Canada, Australia, and fucking Russia are testing more than us. Pathetic.
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Look at you all suddenly upset with our for profit medical system. It’s adorable.
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The hospitals are making money on this deal. They are also being directed by the CDC to do so. This maintains the current doomsday narrative. Everyone wins!ThomasFremont said:Look at you all suddenly upset with our for profit medical system. It’s adorable.
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But HHusky said all the medical examiners and scientists don't do this.
"Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx." -
This is ridiculous. Late stage ass cancer but catch COVID when you were on your death bed, COVID death. Yeah, right. Fear train leaves at noon.MikeDamone said:But HHusky said all the medical examiners and scientists don't do this.
"Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx." -
So if a Gangbanger comes in to the ER with a gun shot wound to the head, test + for covid ... Covid'd ... Does that mean the perp walks free now?Swaye said:
This is ridiculous. Late stage ass cancer but catch COVID when you were on your death bed, COVID death. Yeah, right. Fear train leaves at noon.MikeDamone said:But HHusky said all the medical examiners and scientists don't do this.
"Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx." -
Only if HH is a prosecutor.YouKnowIt said:
So if a Gangbanger comes in to the ER with a gun shot wound to the head, test + for covid ... Covid'd ... Does that mean the perp walks free now?Swaye said:
This is ridiculous. Late stage ass cancer but catch COVID when you were on your death bed, COVID death. Yeah, right. Fear train leaves at noon.MikeDamone said:But HHusky said all the medical examiners and scientists don't do this.
"Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx." -
I’m really interested in seeing the results from the Stanford studySwaye said:
This is ridiculous. Late stage ass cancer but catch COVID when you were on your death bed, COVID death. Yeah, right. Fear train leaves at noon.MikeDamone said:But HHusky said all the medical examiners and scientists don't do this.
"Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx."
I think we find that mortality rates are far lower than we think and that it has already spread through the population far more than we think
I also expect that study will immediately get discredited by those that don’t like that narrative -
This. We need some legit hard data, not made up to fit a fear narrative bullshit that is going on now.Tequilla said:
I’m really interested in seeing the results from the Stanford studySwaye said:
This is ridiculous. Late stage ass cancer but catch COVID when you were on your death bed, COVID death. Yeah, right. Fear train leaves at noon.MikeDamone said:But HHusky said all the medical examiners and scientists don't do this.
"Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx."
I think we find that mortality rates are far lower than we think and that it has already spread through the population far more than we think
I also expect that study will immediately get discredited by those that don’t like that narrative -
The government can't be this wrong. They won't let hard data make them this wrong. Time to triple down. Save lives! Be safe! It's working! Just a few more months! We are all in this together!Swaye said:
This. We need some legit hard data, not made up to fit a fear narrative bullshit that is going on now.Tequilla said:
I’m really interested in seeing the results from the Stanford studySwaye said:
This is ridiculous. Late stage ass cancer but catch COVID when you were on your death bed, COVID death. Yeah, right. Fear train leaves at noon.MikeDamone said:But HHusky said all the medical examiners and scientists don't do this.
"Yesterday, Dr. Deborah Birx finally let the secret out during the daily press conference in response to a reporter’s question. “I think in this country, we’ve taken a very liberal approach to mortality,” said Dr. Birx, who along with Dr. Anthony Fauci has become the face of this push for a national lockdown.
“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”
“The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” concluded Birx."
I think we find that mortality rates are far lower than we think and that it has already spread through the population far more than we think
I also expect that study will immediately get discredited by those that don’t like that narrative -
No beds, no ventilators, medical facilities over flowing......
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-field-hospital-coronavirus-dismantle -
Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about. -
Hopeless case. And maybe you should actually read the news. They have admitted to many deaths where corona may or may have not been the cause of death. but put it in that column anyway.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about.
We also know that there have been thousands of less pneumonia deaths than normal the last month. As well as deaths by heart failure. I agree that there are many more cases than reported. Most of them recovered already. But the deaths directly from corona are at least 25 % over reported. -
https://www.koin.com/news/health/coronavirus/the-oregon-clinic-furloughs-820-employees-due-to-covid-19/Sledog said:No beds, no ventilators, medical facilities over flowing......
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-field-hospital-coronavirus-dismantle
Oregon clinic lays off 820 today. This is going on at clinics and hospitals all over the country.
And we were told that we needed to shut down, to beat the curve and make sure that the hospitals weren't over run.
I'd say the job is done. Let's get people back to work. -
Exactly, the whole reason for distancing/shutdown was for flattening the curve was capacity and supplies. That part isn’t a problem seemingly except for a place or two.salemcoog said:
https://www.koin.com/news/health/coronavirus/the-oregon-clinic-furloughs-820-employees-due-to-covid-19/Sledog said:No beds, no ventilators, medical facilities over flowing......
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-field-hospital-coronavirus-dismantle
Oregon clinic lays off 820 today. This is going on at clinics and hospitals all over the country.
And we were told that we needed to shut down, to beat the curve and make sure that the hospitals weren't over run.
I'd say the job is done. Let's get people back to work.
So what’s the current argument for continuing it? It’s now shifted to damage control over inflated models. -
Right. First.Bob_C said:
Exactly, the whole reason for distancing/shutdown was for flattening the curve was capacity and supplies. That part isn’t a problem seemingly except for a place or two.salemcoog said:
https://www.koin.com/news/health/coronavirus/the-oregon-clinic-furloughs-820-employees-due-to-covid-19/Sledog said:No beds, no ventilators, medical facilities over flowing......
https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-field-hospital-coronavirus-dismantle
Oregon clinic lays off 820 today. This is going on at clinics and hospitals all over the country.
And we were told that we needed to shut down, to beat the curve and make sure that the hospitals weren't over run.
I'd say the job is done. Let's get people back to work.
So what’s the current argument for continuing it? It’s now shifted to damage control over inflated models. -
Yet the US has 300,000 more confirmed cases than any other country. Over 450,000 total. When you consider the % of tests that come back negative, I'd say either we are either testing A LOT of people or the numbers are inflated to fit a narrative. Hmm.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about. -
When the same people get tested multiple times, you may indeed get multiple negatives. That's not the same as a system of testing the population. Most people still can't get a single test, much less many tests.theknowledge said:
Yet the US has 300,000 more confirmed cases than any other country. Over 450,000 total. When you consider the % of tests that come back negative, I'd say either we are either testing A LOT of people or the numbers are inflated to fit a narrative. Hmm.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about. -
Congratulations, murderertheknowledge said:
Yet the US has 300,000 more confirmed cases than any other country. Over 450,000 total. When you consider the % of tests that come back negative, I'd say either we are either testing A LOT of people or the numbers are inflated to fit a narrative. Hmm.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about. -
How are your 2 million imaginary dead friends holding up?HHusky said:
When the same people get tested multiple times, you may indeed get multiple negatives. That's not the same as a system of testing the population. Most people still can't get a single test, much less many tests.theknowledge said:
Yet the US has 300,000 more confirmed cases than any other country. Over 450,000 total. When you consider the % of tests that come back negative, I'd say either we are either testing A LOT of people or the numbers are inflated to fit a narrative. Hmm.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about. -
How's Sweden's laissez faire approach working out?RaceBannon said:
How are your 2 million imaginary dead friends holding up?HHusky said:
When the same people get tested multiple times, you may indeed get multiple negatives. That's not the same as a system of testing the population. Most people still can't get a single test, much less many tests.theknowledge said:
Yet the US has 300,000 more confirmed cases than any other country. Over 450,000 total. When you consider the % of tests that come back negative, I'd say either we are either testing A LOT of people or the numbers are inflated to fit a narrative. Hmm.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about.
Sorry I hurt your feelings. But getting the same negative test result five times from the same guy isn't the same as five people testing negative. -
Same as here meaning I was rightHHusky said:
How's Sweden's laissez faire approach working out?RaceBannon said:
How are your 2 million imaginary dead friends holding up?HHusky said:
When the same people get tested multiple times, you may indeed get multiple negatives. That's not the same as a system of testing the population. Most people still can't get a single test, much less many tests.theknowledge said:
Yet the US has 300,000 more confirmed cases than any other country. Over 450,000 total. When you consider the % of tests that come back negative, I'd say either we are either testing A LOT of people or the numbers are inflated to fit a narrative. Hmm.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about.
Sorry I hurt your feelings. But getting the same negative test result five times from the same guy isn't the same as five people testing negative.
And you're wrong
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"anybody who wants a test gets a test"?RaceBannon said:
Same as here meaning I was rightHHusky said:
How's Sweden's laissez faire approach working out?RaceBannon said:
How are your 2 million imaginary dead friends holding up?HHusky said:
When the same people get tested multiple times, you may indeed get multiple negatives. That's not the same as a system of testing the population. Most people still can't get a single test, much less many tests.theknowledge said:
Yet the US has 300,000 more confirmed cases than any other country. Over 450,000 total. When you consider the % of tests that come back negative, I'd say either we are either testing A LOT of people or the numbers are inflated to fit a narrative. Hmm.HHusky said:Anyone who pays any attention at all knows the cases and deaths are undercounted. The only question is how much they are undercounted.
Testing is minimal and scattershot. Another thing Daddy lies to you about.
Sorry I hurt your feelings. But getting the same negative test result five times from the same guy isn't the same as five people testing negative.
And you're wrong
Again -
