Democrats Decide Getting the Orange Man Is More Important than Saving Lives
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@HHusky is the rare case of the kid who got molested and liked it. Hence the perverse "Daddy" all the time.DerekJohnson said:
I have never seen any poster ever say thatHHusky said:I was told Daddy alone can fix our problems. Not sure why you Cheeto dust fairies are looking at Congress.
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It's not Williamson's "take" it's what fucking happened. And other than your parrot like spouting of "slush fund" what the fuck was your "take" flea?dflea said:Ben Williamson's take is what you bring to the argument? Like I give a fuck about his stupid opinion. It's almost as useless as yours.
Go take off your socialism cheerleader skirt, ya fuckin' clown.
We're seeing now with the new language submitted in the Rat's bill that this was always about pushing for their leftist wish list. Same day voter registration and more racial and gender diversity on corporate boards along with pushing the GND agenda.
This has nothing to do with a "slush" fund. That's just the buzzword they tossed out there to get idiots like you and IC to fall in line. -
This was a blank check of $500,000,000,000 to give to cronies with no real motivation for them not to do what they did in 2009. Pump the stock prices up with buybacks and lay off American workers for off shore workers making a 1/3 of the salary.salemcoog said:This is tiresome.
People believing that this was a good deal for the American people and then using "the Democrats don't want to help you!!!, they only want to make Orange Man look bad!!!" is a farce.
This was a blank check of $500,000,000,000 to give to cronies with no real motivation for them not to do what they did in 2009. Pump the stock prices up with buybacks and lay off American workers for off shore workers making a 1/3 of the salary.
And stfu with your " But these corporations will go under and be gone forever, taking all of those jobs away forever!!!!"
The current version is taking advantage of a reeling public, market and economy to pad wallets of CEO's and those just a little further down the trough. Whereas Joe Blow gets a few crumbs to buys some groceries and pay his utilities for a couple months.
All of this is crap. The money was prohibited from being used in stock buy backs and it limited executive compensation. You're being fed a line of bullshit. -
There's absolutely no business basis for those clauses.Dude61 said:
These constraints are in the bill that was blocked by the Democrats. Cap on CEO salary, no buy-backs, maintain existing employee headcount.PurpleThrobber said:
This is finance negotiation - and the Golden Rule in finance is: He who has the gold makes the rules.Sledog said:
Is there a list of companies that already need saving? Some won't. Some will. How are they supposed to compile a list?dflea said:So a 500 billion dollar slush fund for Mnuchin to distribute without review is OK with you, huh, you fuckin' socialist cum guzzler? Christ.
You socialist cheerleader Trump lovers are really a spectacle to behold. What a fuckin' joke.
Everything was agreed to with bipartisan support until Nancy thought she could damage Trump with stopping it.
Demorats will do ANYTHING to damage Trump. Disgusting.
If you take the gubmint money here's but a few of the conditions the Throbber would impose....because the Throbber makes Mr. Wonderful look like Mr. Rogers when it comes to finance negotiations.
I'd probably open this up to Joe Public to participate similar to a Reg A+ offering or some such thing - @creepycoug feel free to chime in because I know that is your world too. Similar to a war bonds effort rather than the Fed just printing more funny money but I could probably be talked out of that. Worst case, Joe Public investor gets the same right of participation as the US gubmint.
My assumption would be any bailout funds would be similar to GM - preferred convertibles or some such thing.
1 - No stock buybacks for a specified period of time (I'm thinking like 5 to 10 years). The gubmint investor group either gets the benefit of a stock run up during that window or gets paid back. Qualified investment professionals similar to pension fund managers appointed to manage the funds. Not some gubmint desk jockey.
2 - Any firm taking gubmint money, CEO total compensation including the fair value of options, performance warrants, loans, etc are capped at a multiple of the average workers pay. Not gonna fly if the Lazy B CEO is making 1000 times more than Johnny Riveter and Suzie in accounting. And most of these fucks are worth that much any way.
3 - Decertification of all union activity for three years. Fuck those guys. Your workers stand to gain the most with continued employment. GTFO of the way.
4 - No dividends paid until end of term in Item 1 or payback of government subsidy.
There's probably a few more but that's off the top of my head.
The D version has added bs including corporate board diversity mandates.
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no one can see it until it is passed, then altered, then finalized.WilburHooksHands said:
Where can we see the drafts?Dude61 said:
These constraints are in the bill that was blocked by the Democrats. Cap on CEO salary, no buy-backs, maintain existing employee headcount.PurpleThrobber said:
This is finance negotiation - and the Golden Rule in finance is: He who has the gold makes the rules.Sledog said:
Is there a list of companies that already need saving? Some won't. Some will. How are they supposed to compile a list?dflea said:So a 500 billion dollar slush fund for Mnuchin to distribute without review is OK with you, huh, you fuckin' socialist cum guzzler? Christ.
You socialist cheerleader Trump lovers are really a spectacle to behold. What a fuckin' joke.
Everything was agreed to with bipartisan support until Nancy thought she could damage Trump with stopping it.
Demorats will do ANYTHING to damage Trump. Disgusting.
If you take the gubmint money here's but a few of the conditions the Throbber would impose....because the Throbber makes Mr. Wonderful look like Mr. Rogers when it comes to finance negotiations.
I'd probably open this up to Joe Public to participate similar to a Reg A+ offering or some such thing - @creepycoug feel free to chime in because I know that is your world too. Similar to a war bonds effort rather than the Fed just printing more funny money but I could probably be talked out of that. Worst case, Joe Public investor gets the same right of participation as the US gubmint.
My assumption would be any bailout funds would be similar to GM - preferred convertibles or some such thing.
1 - No stock buybacks for a specified period of time (I'm thinking like 5 to 10 years). The gubmint investor group either gets the benefit of a stock run up during that window or gets paid back. Qualified investment professionals similar to pension fund managers appointed to manage the funds. Not some gubmint desk jockey.
2 - Any firm taking gubmint money, CEO total compensation including the fair value of options, performance warrants, loans, etc are capped at a multiple of the average workers pay. Not gonna fly if the Lazy B CEO is making 1000 times more than Johnny Riveter and Suzie in accounting. And most of these fucks are worth that much any way.
3 - Decertification of all union activity for three years. Fuck those guys. Your workers stand to gain the most with continued employment. GTFO of the way.
4 - No dividends paid until end of term in Item 1 or payback of government subsidy.
There's probably a few more but that's off the top of my head.
The D version has added bs including corporate board diversity mandates. -
I saw one version that limited it for 2 years. I did NOT however see any penalties for kicking employees to curb for any duration in that particular version.SFGbob said:
This was a blank check of $500,000,000,000 to give to cronies with no real motivation for them not to do what they did in 2009. Pump the stock prices up with buybacks and lay off American workers for off shore workers making a 1/3 of the salary.salemcoog said:This is tiresome.
People believing that this was a good deal for the American people and then using "the Democrats don't want to help you!!!, they only want to make Orange Man look bad!!!" is a farce.
This was a blank check of $500,000,000,000 to give to cronies with no real motivation for them not to do what they did in 2009. Pump the stock prices up with buybacks and lay off American workers for off shore workers making a 1/3 of the salary.
And stfu with your " But these corporations will go under and be gone forever, taking all of those jobs away forever!!!!"
The current version is taking advantage of a reeling public, market and economy to pad wallets of CEO's and those just a little further down the trough. Whereas Joe Blow gets a few crumbs to buys some groceries and pay his utilities for a couple months.
All of this is crap. The money was prohibited from being used in stock buy backs and it limited executive compensation. You're being fed a line of bullshit. -
I'm not your uncle who molested you in the basement when you were 12HHusky said:
Daddy famously said it.DerekJohnson said:
I have never seen any poster ever say thatHHusky said:I was told Daddy alone can fix our problems. Not sure why you Cheeto dust fairies are looking at Congress.
Dementia is a cruel mistress. -
AKA @HHusky's Favorite UncleDerekJohnson said:
I'm not your uncle who molested you in the basement when you were 12HHusky said:
Daddy famously said it.DerekJohnson said:
I have never seen any poster ever say thatHHusky said:I was told Daddy alone can fix our problems. Not sure why you Cheeto dust fairies are looking at Congress.
Dementia is a cruel mistress. -
It's time for another public hangingDerekJohnson said:
I'm not your uncle who molested you in the basement when you were 12HHusky said:
Daddy famously said it.DerekJohnson said:
I have never seen any poster ever say thatHHusky said:I was told Daddy alone can fix our problems. Not sure why you Cheeto dust fairies are looking at Congress.
Dementia is a cruel mistress.
