With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
The problem with the rez is that it's a free sh*t hand out culture topped off with no natural resistance to alcohol. Then toss is drugs. Last Indian casino I went to I saw one Indian actually working at the casino. The rest were hispanic or white. This wasn't an historic Indian Reservation. In Oregon almost all the reservations were bought out by the Feds in the 1950s. Indians largely took the cash and partied. Small reservations were "restored" after liberal guilt and the crony capitalism that follows Indian casino opportunities around like remoras on sharks. Divorced lady across the street was 1/16th Indian something associated with the Spirit Mountain casino. Never lived near Grand Ronde, OR. She was about as Indian as I am. She did have high cheek bones. Gets a casino check. Her kids are 1/32 Indian, so no checks. Indians did get screwed. Signed pieces of paper that were ignored. But having some white guy with 1/16th Indian out in the Columbia placing gill nets from his power boat to celebrate his historical fishing rights seems a bit twisted.
The problem with the rez is that it's a free sh*t hand out culture topped off with no natural resistance to alcohol. Then toss is drugs. Last Indian casino I went to I saw one Indian actually working at the casino. The rest were hispanic or white. This wasn't an historic Indian Reservation. In Oregon almost all the reservations were bought out by the Feds in the 1950s. Indians largely took the cash and partied. Small reservations were "restored" after liberal guilt and the crony capitalism that follows Indian casino opportunities around like remoras on sharks. Divorced lady across the street was 1/16th Indian something associated with the Spirit Mountain casino. Never lived near Grand Ronde, OR. She was about as Indian as I am. She did have high cheek bones. Gets a casino check. Her kids are 1/32 Indian, so no checks. Indians did get screwed. Signed pieces of paper that were ignored. But having some white guy with 1/16th Indian out in the Columbia placing gill nets from his power boat to celebrate his historical fishing rights seems a bit twisted.
True. Not just “free shit” but what the rest of the cultures may provide for a “fee”...Last Indian reservation I was on, the Indians looked for anything that got them “To the next level.” Shooting alcohol straight to shooting wd/40 or battery acid type stuff in their veins. Lost limbs, liver shot, etc....drank firewater like water.
Don’t know if it was hopelessness or addiction but wasn’t pretty with their culture.
I did an in depth report on the Judge Boldt decision on fishing rights that came down while I was in high school
It was the least I could do for the Nisqually tribe who sold me cheap smokes
Dick Gregory got arrested in Olympia protesting and my dad visited him in jail
Csb
What's that all-important phrase? "In common with ..."? I remember when that whole thing hit the shell fish people who invest $$ to raise oysters and other shell fish on their property. The threat was that the tribe could just roll up and take ... no comp., no nothin'.
Then again, the Treaty of Olympia (Article 3 is where the offending language can be found - just looked it up - thanks Google!) was a binding contract. Or whatever.
With the express qualification that I don't know, or care, whatever the fuck it is you guysms are arguing about - worst presidents I guess - I had a case when I was a judicial law clerk involving a state court's in rem jurisdiction over a parcel on an Injun (hey @Swaye) rez here in Warshington. This wasn't just any parcel. It was a piece of land that had been put into federal trust (a mechanism called a fee patent) by which Injun land could become privately owned land by Ten Bears and his nephews ... or whatever. When the fee patent was issued, pretty much anything having to do with that land was as Amurican and subject to all the usual goodies and bullshit as a block in mid-town Manhattan. In other words, it was like hole in the map of the rez ... that hole was 'non-rez', if you will.
Anywhoo, there were all kinds of problems with these various mechanisms, not least of which (true stories) was that whitey was really fucking good at talking Ten Bears and his nephews out of 100s of acres of valuable land for a car and a box of cigars. @Swaye's people got so fucking swindled it was ridicruous. Sooooo, the fed decided to baby sit, then decided it was a bad idea, then decided it was a good idea, and back and forth and forth and back, for years.
The layers of federal legislation on "what to do with these? people" was as helter skelter as anything Congress has done. The result is a huge pile of fucked and tangled up property rights.
The point of this particular story tim with Creepy is this: we have fucked these people as hard as you can fuck anything. We wanted to assimilate and disband tribal associations. Then we thought, nah, it was better before, and tried to unwind the other plan (which is especially hard when you create new property rights). Then we'd change our minds again, and try to disband, and then change them again. Over and over. What a fucking mess.
I'm all for the idea that the fate of the conquered is whatever the conqueror decides. But we really fucked around with these people and never made up our minds what we wanted to do. Which explains a lot for why conditions on the rez today are what they are. For most of our tim together, Injuns have been neither real Americans nor real Injuns. We've left them in a state of limbo.
The problem with the rez is that it's a free sh*t hand out culture topped off with no natural resistance to alcohol. Then toss is drugs. Last Indian casino I went to I saw one Indian actually working at the casino. The rest were hispanic or white. This wasn't an historic Indian Reservation. In Oregon almost all the reservations were bought out by the Feds in the 1950s. Indians largely took the cash and partied. Small reservations were "restored" after liberal guilt and the crony capitalism that follows Indian casino opportunities around like remoras on sharks. Divorced lady across the street was 1/16th Indian something associated with the Spirit Mountain casino. Never lived near Grand Ronde, OR. She was about as Indian as I am. She did have high cheek bones. Gets a casino check. Her kids are 1/32 Indian, so no checks. Indians did get screwed. Signed pieces of paper that were ignored. But having some white guy with 1/16th Indian out in the Columbia placing gill nets from his power boat to celebrate his historical fishing rights seems a bit twisted.
agreed. this is a huge issue on the Quinault. @dflea probably knows more about that.
Any argument that doesn't make Andrew Jackson the worst President human ever is bullshit. He defines white devil. You bunch of ass clowns fucked us over for hundreds of years. Go fuck yourselves. Or send me money. You send me money and everything is cool again. TIA
Any argument that doesn't make Andrew Jackson the worst President human ever is bullshit. He defines white devil. You bunch of ass clowns fucked us over for hundreds of years. Go fuck yourselves. Or send me money. You send me money and everything is cool again. TIA
Any argument that doesn't make Andrew Jackson the worst President human ever is bullshit. He defines white devil. You bunch of ass clowns fucked us over for hundreds of years. Go fuck yourselves. Or send me money. You send me money and everything is cool again. TIA
If I send you money, will you send me her ^^^ ??
I'm for fairness and equality. Red man must agree or be destroyed
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Props old man
I don't think I've written anything this long in like 12 years
It was the least I could do for the Nisqually tribe who sold me cheap smokes
Dick Gregory got arrested in Olympia protesting and my dad visited him in jail
Csb
Big gubment hack.
I’ll read the rest now...
“To the next level.” Shooting alcohol straight to shooting wd/40 or battery acid type stuff in their veins. Lost limbs, liver shot, etc....drank firewater like water.
Don’t know if it was hopelessness or addiction but wasn’t pretty with their culture.
Then again, the Treaty of Olympia (Article 3 is where the offending language can be found - just looked it up - thanks Google!) was a binding contract. Or whatever.
Presidenthuman ever is bullshit. He defines white devil. You bunch of ass clowns fucked us over for hundreds of years. Go fuck yourselves. Or send me money. You send me money and everything is cool again. TIAIf I send you money, will you send me her ^^^ ??