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It will be a lot more prominent when trans athletes go to the Olympics and smash all the records.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already. -
I pee in the sink.GreenRiverGatorz said:
I've found that being able to use single stalled womens' restrooms when the mens' is taken, and have the defense of "don't judge me, I identify as a woman", to be a nice thing to have in the back pocket.RaceBannon said:
In principle and theory yes. But when one team is changing restrooms and athletic contests which matter to parents there is going to be a push backGrundleStiltzkin said:
In this case, trannies. The energy around trannies is 99.9% derived from the left & right screaming at each other over a minuscule population that matters not the slightest in the aggregate. Treat citizens as citizens, people as people, first & foremost, then deal with any outlier cases as they appear, not before.SFGbob said:
What tiny niche is the right focused on?GrundleStiltzkin said:
I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
It doesn't effect me and in fact I like gender neutral bathrooms because better seats for me.
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The truth is, neither of them is having an negative impact on my life. The only thing that could directly affect me are enough socialist bananas in office to push my effective tax rate up further and make me pay more than I do for other people's shit. On that point you will never get an argument out of me.SFGbob said:
When you claim the religious right is having an negative impact on your life that's greater than what the religious left is doing then yes you have an irrational fear.creepycoug said:
You're still on this eh? It's a little obsessive, especially considering that it's not factually accurate to say that I have an "irrational fear" of the religious right.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
I'd be as, or more, concerned if the Muslim or other religious sect ever got traction enough to legislate religious values from their own point of view. Basically, I'd rather not have to succumb to people who claim to have talked to someone in the sky who gave them the right answers that the rest of us weren't lucky enough to hear.
I'm not sure why that's been such a challenge for you to understand. You seem to take, and demand others take, an all or nothing approach. I don't like religiously pious people. Of any stripe. Period. If you don't like that I'm sorry, but it's tuff shit; it's how I see things. Given that's my take, how could I not include Christianity in the United States as but one rather significant example?
I just still don't really understand why you're worked up over this. My views on transgender have been pretty well and honestly laid out. I'm skeptical of it because I don't think we know a lot about it and I suspect, but do not know, that mental illness may be at work. And I'm well aware of the left's tendency to embrace anything and everything that they view is being oppressed or outside the norm. That's one of their things. So that's one issue. Another group, who won't rest until abortion is illegal, is another issue. And yet another group who might want to make women cover their heads and faces in the US would be another issue. I look at them independently.
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You can't. That's the intractable issue with abortion. Any line drawn will be somewhat arbitrary. Feasibility is no good because that changes with technology, and we're talking about something more fundamental than our current ability to maintain a fetus outside the womb. Situs is no good; that's the "my body" argument. To the point you made, one second a fetus has zero rights and the next, just because of location, it has all the rights we have? Nonsense. Agreed.dnc said:
Set aside religion, where does one draw the line of humanity? Everyone agrees taking innocent human life is wrong.creepycoug said:
There is a lot more nuance here than you seem to ever care to acknowledge. The gay cake is a tough issue because they were being asked to effectively participate in religious ceremony that cuts across their own beliefs. I get that ... to a point. I don't get, even to a point, the government worker who won't issue a marriage license in a state that has deemed it legal. Two different cases. I also wouldn't be terribly supportive of the Christian bakers refusing to serve gay people on any terms ... like not selling them an apple pie for a picnic. Again, nuance.SFGbob said:
I think the religious left is dismantling our society and allowing trannies to compete in female sports is just a tiny part of that dismantling. And the people who are OUTRAGED over a baker refusing to bake a gay wedding cake are the Religious Left, not the religious right.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already.
Take a look at what the religious left wants to do with the Green New Deal and then get back to me on how I'm over stating my case.
No, my kids should never have to compete with someone who is biologically a man. It's fucking stupid. I live in Seattle and don't know a single progressive who thinks that makes any sense. On the other hand, I know A LOT of right leaning people who think abortion should be illegal under all but the most limited of circumstances, and of those, almost 100% base that view on religious principle. I also know right leaning people who oppose it but think it's good policy to keep it legal and in the hands of the medical community.
Everyone agrees a baby upon breathing oxygen is human.
Virtually everyone should agree the same baby before traveling the birth canal is human.
It becomes a very slippery slope from there to say exactly at which point it becomes human.
I'm not against abortion in all cases but being against abortion in all cases makes a hell of a lot more sense than being for abortion in all cases.
But still, I believe with every fiber of my being that even the most self-righteous anti-abortion advocate inherently "feels", to borrow a popular Tug reference, different about aborting an 8 month, 15 day fetus and two-week old clump of cells.
As to your last point, I discuss this issue freely with people all the time, because I find it to be one of our more interesting moral dilemmas. Again, even the most ardent feminists in my broader social circle don't support third-trimester abortion unless the woman is absolutely going to die, and some of them struggle with it even at that point. I know there are nuts out there who think that's ok, and there are also the kids in the Atomwaffen who think gay people deserve to die. What are you going to do? There are always going to be bananas amongst us.
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Very good points.PurpleThrobber said:
Reasonable people at one time agreed the first trimester was the line of demarcation.dnc said:
Set aside religion, where does one draw the line of humanity? Everyone agrees taking innocent human life is wrong.creepycoug said:
There is a lot more nuance here than you seem to ever care to acknowledge. The gay cake is a tough issue because they were being asked to effectively participate in religious ceremony that cuts across their own beliefs. I get that ... to a point. I don't get, even to a point, the government worker who won't issue a marriage license in a state that has deemed it legal. Two different cases. I also wouldn't be terribly supportive of the Christian bakers refusing to serve gay people on any terms ... like not selling them an apple pie for a picnic. Again, nuance.SFGbob said:
I think the religious left is dismantling our society and allowing trannies to compete in female sports is just a tiny part of that dismantling. And the people who are OUTRAGED over a baker refusing to bake a gay wedding cake are the Religious Left, not the religious right.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Or you could acknowledge that both are vastly overstated. You happen to represent the side that thinks transgender athletes competing as women (which is objectively fucking stupid) is "dismantling our society." Which is also objectively a fucking stupid thing to say.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
How a baker refusing a cake for a gay couple, or a 14 year old "boy" winning a girl's track meet ever became the source for international outrage everywhere is hysterical. Just calm the fuck down already.
Take a look at what the religious left wants to do with the Green New Deal and then get back to me on how I'm over stating my case.
No, my kids should never have to compete with someone who is biologically a man. It's fucking stupid. I live in Seattle and don't know a single progressive who thinks that makes any sense. On the other hand, I know A LOT of right leaning people who think abortion should be illegal under all but the most limited of circumstances, and of those, almost 100% base that view on religious principle. I also know right leaning people who oppose it but think it's good policy to keep it legal and in the hands of the medical community.
Everyone agrees a baby upon breathing oxygen is human.
Virtually everyone should agree the same baby before traveling the birth canal is human.
It becomes a very slippery slope from there to say exactly at which point it becomes human.
I'm not against abortion in all cases but being against abortion in all cases makes a hell of a lot more sense than being for abortion in all cases.
And I'm too lazy to look but I'm sure the extreme right then went first to the 'murder' angle and couldn't live with what the reasonable people had come up with. So then the extremists on the other side feel threatened and demand 'pro-choice' later and later and so it goes back and forth.....
Reasonable people played smear the queer. It's time to take back reasonableness which is why I think the leftists are going to get absolutely destroyed in the upcoming election.
Then I think either Ivanka's hot ass is going to run, in which case its no contest...or the Dems finally wise the fuck up and run a moderate human in 2024. -
Set aside religion, where does one draw the line of humanity? Everyone agrees taking innocent human life is wrong.
You can't. That's the intractable issue with abortion. Any line drawn will be somewhat arbitrary. Feasibility is no good because that changes with technology, and we're talking about something more fundamental than our current ability to maintain a fetus outside the womb. Situs is no good; that's the "my body" argument. To the point you made, one second a fetus has zero rights and the next, just because of location, it has all the rights we have? Nonsense. Agreed.
But still, I believe with every fiber of my being that even the most self-righteous anti-abortion advocate inherently "feels", to borrow a popular Tug reference, different about aborting an 8 month, 15 day fetus and two-week old clump of cells.
As to your last point, I discuss this issue freely with people all the time, because I find it to be one of our more interesting moral dilemmas. Again, even the most ardent feminists in my broader social circle don't support third-trimester abortion unless the woman is absolutely going to die, and many of them struggle with even at that point. I know there are nuts out there who think that's ok, and there are also the kids in the Atomwaffen who think gay people deserve to die. What are you going to do? There are always going to be bananas amongst us. -
I don't like kids so I'm fully pro abortion. Mandatory abortion for shitheads.
Who you may ask qualifies as a shithead? Anyone I don't like.
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Ok, but then you just changed entirely your initial argument.creepycoug said:
The truth is, neither of them is having an negative impact on my life. The only thing that could directly affect me are enough socialist bananas in office to push my effective tax rate up further and make me pay more than I do for other people's shit. On that point you will never get an argument out of me.SFGbob said:
When you claim the religious right is having an negative impact on your life that's greater than what the religious left is doing then yes you have an irrational fear.creepycoug said:
You're still on this eh? It's a little obsessive, especially considering that it's not factually accurate to say that I have an "irrational fear" of the religious right.SFGbob said:
Nothing, but it has everything to do with mocking your irrational fear of the religious right negatively impacting your life, while the religious left continues it's dismantling of our society.creepycoug said:
What does transgender athletes have to do with the Christian right?SFGbob said:
I'd be as, or more, concerned if the Muslim or other religious sect ever got traction enough to legislate religious values from their own point of view. Basically, I'd rather not have to succumb to people who claim to have talked to someone in the sky who gave them the right answers that the rest of us weren't lucky enough to hear.
I'm not sure why that's been such a challenge for you to understand. You seem to take, and demand others take, an all or nothing approach. I don't like religiously pious people. Of any stripe. Period. If you don't like that I'm sorry, but it's tuff shit; it's how I see things. Given that's my take, how could I not include Christianity in the United States as but one rather significant example?
I just still don't really understand why you're worked up over this. My views on transgender have been pretty well and honestly laid out. I'm skeptical of it because I don't think we know a lot about it and I suspect, but do not know, that mental illness may be at work. And I'm well aware of the left's tendency to embrace anything and everything that they view is being oppressed or outside the norm. That's one of their things. So that's one issue. Another group, who won't rest until abortion is illegal, is another issue. And yet another group who might want to make women cover their heads and faces in the US would be another issue. I look at them independently.
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But how do they keep bubbling up to be Democratic candidates for POTUS?creepycoug said:Set aside religion, where does one draw the line of humanity? Everyone agrees taking innocent human life is wrong.
You can't. That's the intractable issue with abortion. Any line drawn will be somewhat arbitrary. Feasibility is no good because that changes with technology, and we're talking about something more fundamental than our current ability to maintain a fetus outside the womb. Situs is no good; that's the "my body" argument. To the point you made, one second a fetus has zero rights and the next, just because of location, it has all the rights we have? Nonsense. Agreed.
But still, I believe with every fiber of my being that even the most self-righteous anti-abortion advocate inherently "feels", to borrow a popular Tug reference, different about aborting an 8 month, 15 day fetus and two-week old clump of cells.
As to your last point, I discuss this issue freely with people all the time, because I find it to be one of our more interesting moral dilemmas. Again, even the most ardent feminists in my broader social circle don't support third-trimester abortion unless the woman is absolutely going to die, and many of them struggle with even at that point. I know there are nuts out there who think that's ok, and there are also the kids in the Atomwaffen who think gay people deserve to die. What are you going to do? There are always going to be bananas amongst us.
It's damned near statistically impossible.
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Wasn’t this country developed for religious FREEDOM??!
Worship how you want.
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The green gaia religionists have a huge impact on your life. Like hundreds of billions of dollars of impact between state green renewable standards, the federal ethanol in your gas fraud, the federal and state subsidies for electrical vehicles, and federal and state credits for solar and wind power, and federal CAFE gas mileage standards. A fundamentalist christian doesn't cost me a dime. That's just the stuff they got passed. Toss in the nude green eel and the end of fracking and the huge impact gets even larger.
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Throbber is correct on the abortion front. Certain religious groups are opposed to birth control as a sanctity of life religious issue. Also opposed to the morning after pill and most definitely the "abortion pill" which is FDA approved for up to 10 weeks. Texas is a 22 week state. Full term pregnancy is 40 weeks. So, Texas is basically a full trimester plus enough to get you over half way there. In the US Congress, almost all dems believe in unlimited abortion up to birth and many prominent dems oppose born alive legislation. And the dems believe unlimited abortion is a huge issue for them. More important than almost anything else based on their ads. I'm guessing that less than half the republicans in Congress would ban all abortions. I personally support most of the Texas law. From a moral perspective I think aborting a viable baby is much more of an immoral position than stopping a woman from abortion.
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ThisWestlinnDuck said:The green gaia religionists have a huge impact on your life. Like hundreds of billions of dollars of impact between state green renewable standards, the federal ethanol in your gas fraud, the federal and state subsidies for electrical vehicles, and federal and state credits for solar and wind power, and federal CAFE gas mileage standards. A fundamentalist christian doesn't cost me a dime. That's just the stuff they got passed. Toss in the nude green eel and the end of fracking and the huge impact gets even larger.
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That is how we got here Grundle. That tiny voice was ignored for far too long and now the media gives them normalcy.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I think the Right is too focused on this tiny niche too. Weº should ignore it as much as possible and stop the feedback loop.UW_Doog_Bot said:The transgender athlete thing is so typical of the Left not seeing the forest for the trees. We need to piss off large segments of the voting population to worry about accommodating the social justice demands of a niche of a niche of people.
