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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Can't wait to witness your convulsions over the Bloomberg ad.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    I thought I'd never see socialists and communists running for office in America. Highly disappointing.

    Buy ammo.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited February 2020
    Swaye said:

    If the Dems run Sanders Trump might be the first Republican of Race's lifetim to actually get more of the black vote than the DNC. Compelling.

    He won’t get more but anything north of 16% or 17% spells doom for the Rat Party.

    You get a GOP that consistently receives 25% of the black vote it’s game over Rat party
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,400 Founders Club
    edited February 2020
    I thought both Trump and Bloomberg were shameless with their commercials, in how they used people and their tragedies
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    Except that Trump actually directly helped Alice Johnson and she has said he was responsible for her freedom. Whereas Bloomberg used a random tragedy to pump up his gun control agenda.
  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,400 Founders Club
    DJDuck said:

    Except that Trump actually directly helped Alice Johnson and she has said he was responsible for her freedom. Whereas Bloomberg used a random tragedy to pump up his gun control agenda.

    That's very true. But I still think it's best to just help out but then not draw attention to it for self-benefit.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited February 2020
    I have no problem with Trump talking about things he has accomplished and people he has helped. He really doesn’t talk much about all the people he has helped. For instance does anyone know the story behind Trump and his first Golf Club and the racist sensitivities he trampled on. Most people don’t know because it would not fit in with their false narrative about Tump.
    Most of these things we would never know about or they would be brushed over because of a hostile press. If Obama or Clinton bought a lemonade from a lemonade stand the MSM would report for days how wonderful they are to children etc.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited February 2020
    Plus Bloomberg is feeding people crap and Trump isn’t

    Michael Bloomberg's Claim About 'Children' Killed by 'Gun Violence' Is Off by 73%
    Such inflammatory exaggeration seems designed to avoid a substantive discussion of the presidential candidate's gun control proposals.

    https://reason.com/2020/02/02/michael-bloombergs-claim-about-children-killed-by-gun-violence-is-off-by-73/
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited February 2020
    DJDuck said:

    Plus Bloomberg is feeding people crap and Trump isn’t

    Michael Bloomberg's Claim About 'Children' Killed by 'Gun Violence' Is Off by 73%
    Such inflammatory exaggeration seems designed to avoid a substantive discussion of the presidential candidate's gun control proposals.

    https://reason.com/2020/02/02/michael-bloombergs-claim-about-children-killed-by-gun-violence-is-off-by-73/

    Always special posting a link that actually shows his stats were correct. Unless you use word semantics.

    And advocating for gun education is now inflammatory lol. What a communist he is.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    edited February 2020

    DJDuck said:

    Except that Trump actually directly helped Alice Johnson and she has said he was responsible for her freedom. Whereas Bloomberg used a random tragedy to pump up his gun control agenda.

    That's very true. But I still think it's best to just help out but then not draw attention to it for self-benefit.
    They don't tell you the woman's"kid" was 19 or 20 and a gang member.

  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,787 Swaye's Wigwam

    DJDuck said:

    Except that Trump actually directly helped Alice Johnson and she has said he was responsible for her freedom. Whereas Bloomberg used a random tragedy to pump up his gun control agenda.

    That's very true. But I still think it's best to just help out but then not draw attention to it for self-benefit.
    he should be impeached for that
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited February 2020
    President Trump’s Super Bowl ad was smart, to the point, and powerful (VIDEO)

    “President Trump’s ad during the Suepr Bowl didn’t focus on controversies. It didn’t talk about impeachment or witch hunts. It didn’t argue against socialist Democrats.

    Instead it attacked the number one gaslighting narrative the media and Democrats are throwing at him: That he has done no good for this country.”


    https://therightscoop.com/president-trumps-super-bowl-ad-was-smart-to-the-point-and-powerful-video/
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited February 2020

    “The ad’s claim that “2,900 children die from gun violence every year” comes from Everytown for Gun Safety and counts people ages 0 to 19. Other groups look at people ages 0 to 17 and count roughly 1,500 deaths per year.“


    https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/feb/02/super-bowl-ad-watch-mike-bloomberg-gun-control/

    “But how you count matters, and the age range makes a big difference. The age of majority — the age at which a child legally becomes an adult — is 18 in most states.

    In a 2017 report, the CDC counted firearm-related deaths for children ages 0 to 17 and found that on average, from 2012 to 2014, nearly 1,300 children died at the hands of guns each year.

    Other major gun control organizations, such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and Gifford’s Law Center, used the same CDC data as Everytown and the 0-to-17 age range, placing their tallies for children at roughly 1,500 gun-related deaths per year.

    The NRA, Fox News and a number of conservative news sites called Bloomberg’s statistic misleading for counting 18- and 19-year-old victims. But Wood told us the age distinction is meaningless for parents — like Calandrian Kemp — who lose their children to gun violence.

    "Ask any grieving parent whose 18- or 19-year-old son or daughter was shot and killed, and they will tell you they lost a child," Wood said. "There are simply too many of these deaths, and Mike has a plan to prevent them with common-sense gun safety laws."

    George Kemp was 20 when he died, according to local reports at the time.”

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    DJDuck said:


    “The ad’s claim that “2,900 children die from gun violence every year” comes from Everytown for Gun Safety and counts people ages 0 to 19. Other groups look at people ages 0 to 17 and count roughly 1,500 deaths per year.“


    https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/feb/02/super-bowl-ad-watch-mike-bloomberg-gun-control/

    “But how you count matters, and the age range makes a big difference. The age of majority — the age at which a child legally becomes an adult — is 18 in most states.

    In a 2017 report, the CDC counted firearm-related deaths for children ages 0 to 17 and found that on average, from 2012 to 2014, nearly 1,300 children died at the hands of guns each year.

    Other major gun control organizations, such as the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and Gifford’s Law Center, used the same CDC data as Everytown and the 0-to-17 age range, placing their tallies for children at roughly 1,500 gun-related deaths per year.

    The NRA, Fox News and a number of conservative news sites called Bloomberg’s statistic misleading for counting 18- and 19-year-old victims. But Wood told us the age distinction is meaningless for parents — like Calandrian Kemp — who lose their children to gun violence.

    "Ask any grieving parent whose 18- or 19-year-old son or daughter was shot and killed, and they will tell you they lost a child," Wood said. "There are simply too many of these deaths, and Mike has a plan to prevent them with common-sense gun safety laws."

    George Kemp was 20 when he died, according to local reports at the time.”

    So you are ok with 1,500 kids dying, but 2,900 is only too many if they are all under 18.

    Clown.
  • ramenduck
    ramenduck Member Posts: 734
    edited February 2020
    He also thinks the Chiefs play in Kansas.




    I know, I know. 57 states.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    Fact Check.Org

    Gun Deaths

    “Bloomberg’s 60-second commercial, which his campaign unveiled Thursday, features an emotional Calandrian Simpson Kemp of Houston, Texas, talking about her late son, George Kemp Jr., who was fatally shot during an altercation in 2013.


    As Kemp calls it a “national crisis” that “lives are being lost every day” to guns, a graphic on screen says, “2,900 children die from gun violence every year.” She later asserts that the gun lobby should fear Bloomberg because “Mike’s fighting for every child.”

    Bloomberg’s campaign told us the statistic comes from the former New York mayor’s own nonprofit that advocates stricter gun laws, Everytown for Gun Safety. But that organization used different language in a June 2019 fact sheet.

    “Annually, nearly 2,900 children and teens (ages 0 to 19) are shot and killed, and nearly 15,600 are shot and injured,” the document said. (The emphasis is ours.)

    That doesn’t include Kemp’s son, who was 20 at the time of his death nearly seven years ago. But it does include many 18- and 19-year-olds who also were legally considered adults in most U.S. states — not “children,” as the ad claims.

    When limited to young people ages 0 to 17, the number of firearm-related deaths drops by nearly half to roughly 1,499 per year, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System. (That’s the average over the five years from 2013-2017, the same time period used in Everytown for Gun Safety’s calculation.)

    And not all of them were murdered like George Kemp or the young students at a school in Newtown, Connecticut, which could be the impression some get from the two examples used in the ad.

    The majority of those — 792 — were homicides (which includes legal interventions) while 590, or around 39%, were deaths by suicide. The remainder were either unintentional deaths (88) or deaths in which the intent couldn’t be determined (30).

    It is certainly not our intent to minimize the deaths of those young people older than 17, but the fact is, a lot of them, if not all, were not “children” by law.”

  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    DJDuck said:

    Fact Check.Org

    Gun Deaths

    “Bloomberg’s 60-second commercial, which his campaign unveiled Thursday, features an emotional Calandrian Simpson Kemp of Houston, Texas, talking about her late son, George Kemp Jr., who was fatally shot during an altercation in 2013.


    As Kemp calls it a “national crisis” that “lives are being lost every day” to guns, a graphic on screen says, “2,900 children die from gun violence every year.” She later asserts that the gun lobby should fear Bloomberg because “Mike’s fighting for every child.”

    Bloomberg’s campaign told us the statistic comes from the former New York mayor’s own nonprofit that advocates stricter gun laws, Everytown for Gun Safety. But that organization used different language in a June 2019 fact sheet.

    “Annually, nearly 2,900 children and teens (ages 0 to 19) are shot and killed, and nearly 15,600 are shot and injured,” the document said. (The emphasis is ours.)

    That doesn’t include Kemp’s son, who was 20 at the time of his death nearly seven years ago. But it does include many 18- and 19-year-olds who also were legally considered adults in most U.S. states — not “children,” as the ad claims.

    When limited to young people ages 0 to 17, the number of firearm-related deaths drops by nearly half to roughly 1,499 per year, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System. (That’s the average over the five years from 2013-2017, the same time period used in Everytown for Gun Safety’s calculation.)

    And not all of them were murdered like George Kemp or the young students at a school in Newtown, Connecticut, which could be the impression some get from the two examples used in the ad.

    The majority of those — 792 — were homicides (which includes legal interventions) while 590, or around 39%, were deaths by suicide. The remainder were either unintentional deaths (88) or deaths in which the intent couldn’t be determined (30).

    It is certainly not our intent to minimize the deaths of those young people older than 17, but the fact is, a lot of them, if not all, were not “children” by law.”

    Donald Trump's commercial just said our country is at the most prosperous time ever. You going to fact check that claim?
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited February 2020
    Asshole clown on here uses strawman idiocy.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    ramenduck said:

    He also thinks the Chiefs play in Kansas.




    I know, I know. 57 states.

    That has to be fake. Da fuq.
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,090 Founders Club
    DJDuck said:

    Fact Check.Org

    Gun Deaths

    “Bloomberg’s 60-second commercial, which his campaign unveiled Thursday, features an emotional Calandrian Simpson Kemp of Houston, Texas, talking about her late son, George Kemp Jr., who was fatally shot during an altercation in 2013.


    As Kemp calls it a “national crisis” that “lives are being lost every day” to guns, a graphic on screen says, “2,900 children die from gun violence every year.” She later asserts that the gun lobby should fear Bloomberg because “Mike’s fighting for every child.”

    Bloomberg’s campaign told us the statistic comes from the former New York mayor’s own nonprofit that advocates stricter gun laws, Everytown for Gun Safety. But that organization used different language in a June 2019 fact sheet.

    “Annually, nearly 2,900 children and teens (ages 0 to 19) are shot and killed, and nearly 15,600 are shot and injured,” the document said. (The emphasis is ours.)

    That doesn’t include Kemp’s son, who was 20 at the time of his death nearly seven years ago. But it does include many 18- and 19-year-olds who also were legally considered adults in most U.S. states — not “children,” as the ad claims.

    When limited to young people ages 0 to 17, the number of firearm-related deaths drops by nearly half to roughly 1,499 per year, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting System. (That’s the average over the five years from 2013-2017, the same time period used in Everytown for Gun Safety’s calculation.)

    And not all of them were murdered like George Kemp or the young students at a school in Newtown, Connecticut, which could be the impression some get from the two examples used in the ad.

    The majority of those — 792 — were homicides (which includes legal interventions) while 590, or around 39%, were deaths by suicide. The remainder were either unintentional deaths (88) or deaths in which the intent couldn’t be determined (30).

    It is certainly not our intent to minimize the deaths of those young people older than 17, but the fact is, a lot of them, if not all, were not “children” by law.”

    I'm sure stricter gun laws would have prevented the gang bangers who shot her son from having guns. Just like in Chicago.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,754 Standard Supporter
    The left lies and distorts facts. That's what They do.

    Bloomberg is just burning his money. He couldn't beat Trump.
  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    The left lies and distorts facts. That's what They do.

    Bloomberg is just burning his money. He couldn't beat Trump.

    Well the Chiefs play in Kansas now.
  • DJDuck
    DJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    Sledog said:

    The left lies and distorts facts. That's what They do.

    Bloomberg is just burning his money. He couldn't beat Trump.

    It’s funny Sled here they want to compare ads. One is Bloomberg inflating Statistics on child murder and the other is Trump helping Alice Johnson and criminal justice reform. Morons here attempt to obfuscate the comparison by bringing in an issue not even addressed in the Trump ad. It’s who the lib morons are and what they do. :D

  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,274
    2001400ex said:

    ramenduck said:

    He also thinks the Chiefs play in Kansas.




    I know, I know. 57 states.

    That has to be fake. Da fuq.
    He is such a Boob
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,569 Standard Supporter
    Gang bangers don't start at age 18. And when a gang banger shoots an 8 year old with an illegal firearm I'm not very motivated to give up my guns. Guiliani went after gang bangers and saved thousands of black kids. You leftards hated him for that. Imagine targeting criminals lowers crime and save lives.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,039 Standard Supporter

    DJDuck said:

    Except that Trump actually directly helped Alice Johnson and she has said he was responsible for her freedom. Whereas Bloomberg used a random tragedy to pump up his gun control agenda.

    That's very true. But I still think it's best to just help out but then not draw attention to it for self-benefit.

    Gonna Hafta strongly disagree here. Drawing attention for self-benefit is the raison d'être of politicians.