Seems like good parenting advice to me

Kaepsknee

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

Forgive my ignorance, what's IB?

Irritable Bowel. Turns out that while the academis is top notch, the cafeteria sucks.

GrundleStiltzkin

salemcoog said:

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

Forgive my ignorance, what's IB?

Irritable Bowel. Turns out that while the academis is top notch, the cafeteria sucks.

Also, International Bacchalaureate.

Abundance.

YellowSnow

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

As I've said many times here, I pay way too much in property taxes so no private school. I'm also and atheist married to an agnostic so that rules out Catholic school.

In spite of all this BS there's still some pretty good K-12 schools in Seattle. We'll be fine (i.e., smart kid with 2 smart parents in stable home environment) until I can get this sorted out. But the wokeness is driving me off a cliff. It's worse than I imagined.

huskyhooligan

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

Shots fired at Blanchet, Odea, Eastside Catholic!

Basically, try to keep your kids north of downtown.

If south of downtown, hope your kids are going to school with other gentrified kids. The current trajectory is that it'll catch up in the next 15 years or so, unless of course the schools do something FS like mandatory busing again.

SFGbob

YellowSnow said:

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

As I've said many times here, I pay way too much in property taxes so no private school. I'm also and atheist married to an agnostic so that rules out Catholic school.

In spite of all this BS there's still some pretty good K-12 schools in Seattle. We'll be fine (i.e., smart kid with 2 smart parents in stable home environment) until I can get this sorted out. But the wokeness is driving me off a cliff. It's worse than I imagined.

I used to think the exact same thing, right up until my kids hit their teenage years.

YellowSnow

huskyhooligan said:

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

Shots fired at Blanchet, Odea, Eastside Catholic!

Basically, try to keep your kids north of downtown.

If south of downtown, hope your kids are going to school with other gentrified kids. The current trajectory is that it'll catch up in the next 15 years or so, unless of course the schools do something FS like mandatory busing again.

I'm North of the Ship Canal. I have many Odea and other Catholic School Frens. My father in law went to ND. It's just not for me.

89ute

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

I can't say enough good things about the IB program. Our kid entered The U as a second-semester sophomore given the number of credits she racked up in high school. Salt Lake City school district has an outstanding extended learning program (ELP) which leads to AP/IB programs in high school.

@YellowSnow come back home and buy a house in Salt Lake City proper and you're golden. Just make sure your kids are smart enough to get accepted. They work their asses off in these programs and they certainly are not for everyone. Tons and tons of homework, but they are associating with others doing the same thing, so it's like a community within a community, smack dab in the middle of Big Bad West High. Park City also has an excellent system, at least as of a few years ago.

creepycoug

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

Forgive my ignorance, what's IB?

International Baccalaureate

There are other programs I hear good things about ... Caimbridge, etc. The idea is the "school w/in a school." They are often housed in large public high schools with budgets and then it's an entirely set-off program. The IB kids get to waive the state requirement for PE, etc. They always get the best teachers and of course as a self-selecting program you're in class with only very motivated kids.

The real value in IB is that (1) you have to take a sequence of tough classes and they're taught at a much higher level and (2) you have to pass a round of exams and do a bunch of other shit before you get the diploma. IB testing takes place in the spring of your senior year so you're busting your ass up until the end of school.

Many, many IB kids, mine included, said they found freshman year in college to be a breeze because high school was harder. It's a solid thing. I highly recommend it, but your kid has to want to do it. It's not for kids who have to have Saturdays and Sundays off.

creepycoug

YellowSnow said:

huskyhooligan said:

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

Shots fired at Blanchet, Odea, Eastside Catholic!

Basically, try to keep your kids north of downtown.

If south of downtown, hope your kids are going to school with other gentrified kids. The current trajectory is that it'll catch up in the next 15 years or so, unless of course the schools do something FS like mandatory busing again.

I'm North of the Ship Canal. I have many Odea and other Catholic School Frens. My father in law went to ND. It's just not for me.

IMHO, the Catholic schools aren't worth the money. Not around here anyway. In places like Miami, where there are tons of them, there are some pretty top notch ones that are really just prep schools. Around here? Eh. They're good, mind you. Don't twist. But Eastside Catholic is not Lakeside or Bush. Not even close. same with O'Dea.

YellowSnow

89ute said:

creepycoug said:

salemcoog said:

It’s sad that the Gubment destroyed the charter school system. It was on its way too. Now your only hope is private and home school. And home school kids are usually fucked up. So there’s really only one option.

Or live in a school district that GAF or is otherwise surrounded by wealth.

What I have found in the whole school bit is this: the teachers and the equipment and facilities are secondary. The single most important thing (other than, you know, you, the fucking parent) is this: who are your kids' classmates? That simple. The smarter and more ambitious they are, and by implication the fewer future losers with whom they can hook up or by whom they can be influenced, the better the odds your kid will be ok.

Here's another tip if you're in Seattle: if you can find a public school with a good IB program, and if your kid can handle it, jump in. It's a $48,000 / year Lakeside education on the taxpayers. Two of my three did it. It's not the most fun way to go through school. That whole "good students get to lay back senior year because they earned it" shit doesn't happen in IB. It gets progressively more intense and senior year is a nightmare of work, and stress, especially if they do anything else like sports. But selective colleges love it and, again, it's free.

Otherwise, yeah, private school. And be warned - there are a lot of shit and turkey private schools. Don't confuse regular parochial Catholic school as elite. It's nothing of the sort. There are some good ones, but most are mediocre af.

I can't say enough good things about the IB program. Our kid entered The U as a second-semester sophomore given the number of credits she racked up in high school. Salt Lake City school district has an outstanding extended learning program (ELP) which leads to AP/IB programs in high school.

@YellowSnow come back home and buy a house in Salt Lake City proper and you're golden. Just make sure your kids are smart enough to get accepted. They work their asses off in these programs and they certainly are not for everyone. Tons and tons of homework, but they are associating with others doing the same thing, so it's like a community within a community, smack dab in the middle of Big Bad West High. Park City also has an excellent system, at least as of a few years ago.

Nah @89ute . Ikon and Epic passes have ruined Utah.

I'm out and may never return. Solitude which used to be the secret stash has become a cluster fuck over night.