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Trannie children will need to sign off on Warren's Secretary of Ed.

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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,818 Standard Supporter
    The level of arrogance is unreal.

    They’ll need to have a running clock in this blowout.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,805

    The level of arrogance is unreal.

    They’ll need to have a running clock in this blowout.

    Somehow she's managed to become the worst of @dnc field.

    Talk about degree of difficulty.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,449 Standard Supporter
    A special kind of stupid. Unfortunately a lot of people voting are too.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,818 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    The level of arrogance is unreal.

    They’ll need to have a running clock in this blowout.

    Somehow she's managed to become the worst of @dnc field.

    Talk about degree of difficulty.
    Trump will make her cry in the debates. She freaked out and went after Bernie for a fairly innocuous politician statement.
  • ramenduckramenduck Member Posts: 734
    The superdelegates are in the offing. Bernie sees the knife coming. Not sure Lizzie does.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,015

    dnc said:

    The level of arrogance is unreal.

    They’ll need to have a running clock in this blowout.

    Somehow she's managed to become the worst of @dnc field.

    Talk about degree of difficulty.
    Trump will make her cry in the debates. She freaked out and went after Bernie for a fairly innocuous politician statement.
    She is done. She isn't even going to finish in the top 3 in Iowa and she is going to lose New Hampshire, her neighboring state.
  • ClaraSorrentiClaraSorrenti Member Posts: 73
    Yes, Trans Women Can Get Period Symptoms

    Why isn’t the medical community looking into this phenomenon?

    There’s one thing cis and transgender people agree on—trans women and transfeminine people don’t get periods.

    Those of us who were assigned male at birth (AMAB) generally came out of the womb without ovaries or a reproductive system that can support a pregnancy, so we don’t bleed every month in preparation for one. It’s generally seen as one of the net positives about being a transgender woman as opposed to a cisgender gal; before and after I started transitioning, my cis girlfriends came to me with their tales of woe — bloating, cramps, violent mood swings, nausea — all sometimes too intense for them to reasonably get out of bed. “You’re so lucky,” they’d moan, and I would shrug sheepishly, implicitly agreeing that I was fortunate to never share in those experiences. That would be impossible. Right?

    Imagine my shock, then, when I talked with my friend Ashley last month, just before she went into the hospital for a few weeks. Nervous about the length of time she would have to stay, she told me the reason for her reticence: “I’m due for my period in a couple days, and that’s going to really suck.”

    Uh, what?

    Ashley’s a 23-year-old trans girl who’s been on hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for over a year. She takes a cocktail of the antiandrogen spironolactone and estradiol, a form of estrogen. About five months into her treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms: First would come the soreness and swelling in her chest along with bouts of nausea; the next day, she’d endure painful abdominal cramping lasting minutes at a time, as well as constant nausea, hot flashes, dizziness, photosensitive migraines, and bloating. This cycle, she says, lasts for about six to seven days and repeats roughly every five weeks.

    About five months into her HRT treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms. CLICK TO TWEET
    If those symptoms sound familiar, it’s because billions of cis women all over the world experience similar symptoms while menstruating. Along with insomnia, general muscle fatigue, joint pain, acne, and a host of other side effects, all the afflictions Ashley reported are symptomatic of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) and/or premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). (Debilitating symptoms can be indicative of endometriosis and shouldn’t be considered a natural part of menstruation for people with uteruses — folks, call your doctors!)

    Intrigued by Ashley’s disclosure, I put out a call online for trans women to get in touch with me if they had experienced regular symptoms like hers since they began HRT. It turns out, Ashley’s not alone in her experiences — it’s not impossible for me to develop a “period” after all.



    The respondents to my question varied in age, length of time on HRT, dosage level, and administration method — while some trans people take their hormones in pill form, others choose to use patches or intramuscular injections — but they all reported similar results. Most seconded Ashley’s accounts of pain and nausea, and added that they experienced intense mood swings. One agender respondent, Blue, reported immobilizing cramps that were 30 seconds long, extreme mood swings and depressive episodes, and constant headaches — all beginning six months after starting HRT, and appearing regularly for the past five months.

    Aspen, a 24-year-old trans girl, said that although she almost always felt nauseated in the morning, she’d recently experienced excruciating “morning sickness” for a nearly weeklong stretch before it abated — almost without a trace. Still another respondent, who requested to remain anonymous, said they had “a lot of really bad period shits where it’s practically explosive it’s so horrible.” (Menstrual diarrhea isn’t as known or discussed as other symptoms, but it is definitely a thing — to nobody’s relief.)

    After speaking with about 10 diversely identified people who identified as having PMS-esque symptoms, I saw only one possible explanation: AMAB trans people can and do seem to experience period-like symptoms as a part of HRT. Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. I haven’t identified a hormonal cycle of my own, but it was clear that others had, and they weren’t limited to feeling sad and wanting chocolate (though Ashley did wryly note that she “had to be talked out of putting chocolate syrup on [her] hot dog” during a recent cycle).

    Scientifically, I was puzzled; were these symptoms strictly psychosomatic, driven by knowing feminization of these individuals’ bodies? Or were they a direct result of the physiological effects of HRT, an awakening of latent femininity in AMAB bodies? After all, there’s only one gene separating testicles from ovaries in adult humans, and all human embryos are primed to develop ovaries until a chain of genes on the Y chromosome get involved. Plus, animals of all kinds (like frogs and hawkfish) change sex frequently in response to environmental stimuli. I certainly didn’t consider my informal surveys to be comparable to a clinical trial, but the anecdotal data I rounded up was strong.

    Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. CLICK TO TWEET
    In fact, I even heard from a cis woman whose mother was prescribed HRT after having her ovaries removed, and who experienced cyclical back pain, bloating, and frequent urination/defecation — “everything but the bleeding.” “[My mother] actually has a healthier, regular cycle without most of her reproductive system than I do while still having mine,” griped the respondent. Given the dearth of medical literature regarding the effects of HRT on transgender people, why wouldn’t it be possible for AMAB people to experience something akin to a bloodless period? After all, side effects like bloating, cramping, nausea, and breast soreness are well-documented side effects of estrogen therapy. Is it such a stretch to believe that these effects could be experienced cyclically?

    This is a phenomenon that clearly requires greater study — in all of my research on the topic, I couldn’t find a single scientific examination of the matter. Perhaps part of the problem is that so few people know about it. The general cis population is understandably in the dark, because lots of trans people aren’t aware of it as a broad phenomenon either. Though a few of my respondents had discussed their symptoms in private trans groups online, most had assumed they were the only ones who were getting their “periods.”

    There is one group with strong views on the matter, however. If you listen to trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), we actually can’t experience period-like symptoms . . . because, well, we just can’t. After I put out the call for interviewees on my Tumblr, the TERF brigade leapt all over my post and covered it in some of the most vicious, unprovoked vitriol I’ve ever seen — from accusations of sexism, to claims that those talking about this were “delusional” and “parasites,” to outright threats (“i’ll gladly help them if they want to bleed from their genitals once a month”).

    I was shocked and confused — I had gathered enough anecdotal evidence to suggest a truly fascinating hormonal phenomenon, but these people had no interest in challenging their preconceived notions of what was possible for transgender people (notions that, I’ll reiterate, I used to share as well).

    But then again, perhaps this shouldn’t have come as such a surprise to me. Whether it’s in a conversation with our medical providers, friends, or even immediate family, trans people — AMAB folks in particular — have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their feelings and medical needs. We’re often told we’re exaggerating things, seeking attention or sympathy, and that our reality can’t possibly be as we describe it. Sometimes these verbal assaults turn physical. When I asked how these attacks made them feel, Blue laid down some truth:

    “I’ve always been terrified to mention [these symptoms] to anyone for the reason of feeling as though it wouldn’t go over well with anyone . . . My neurodivergency alone makes me feel as though I have to slowly kill myself at school or work (when I was in either) in order to be accepted and acknowledged. I don’t respond to criticism well at all, so I am horrified. It’s an especially odd topic for someone like me, an agender individual, who dreams every night that they might wake up AFAB instead of AMAB, [but] doesn’t really desire to relate to these symptoms in the end. It’s sad that it might not be easy to find a safe way to ever have a discussion on them.”

    Trans people have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their needs. CLICK TO TWEET
    On the other hand, Ashley said she tries to focus on the positive. Although her mother has accused her of exaggerating her symptoms in the past, and she’s afraid to contradict those who say she’s just “looking for attention,” Ashley tries to educate those cis women who say she’s “lucky” not to bleed. “Well, actually,” she grins, “I don’t have a uterus, but I have some of the downsides.” At the end of the day, she’s glad to have a little more solidarity with her trans siblings now that she knows some of them share her experiences: “It’s good to know I’m not alone.”

    Hopefully, one of these days, the medical community will dive into the matter and confirm what Ashley already knows — that periods aren’t just for vaginas anymore.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,515 Standard Supporter
    Taking down 2A wasn't enough, 1A gotta go too.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/warren-proposes-criminal-penalties-for-spreading-disinformation-online.html
    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday released a plan to fight disinformation and to hold tech companies accountable for their actions in light of the 2016 election.

    “Disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy, and Donald Trump has invited both,” Warren said in a Tweet Wednesday. “Anyone who seeks to challenge and defeat Donald Trump in the 2020 election must be fully prepared to take this on – and I’ve got a plan to do it.”

    Warren proposed to combat disinformation by holding big tech companies like Facebook, Twitter and Google responsible for spreading misinformation designed to suppress voters from turning out.

    “I will push for new laws that impose tough civil and criminal penalties for knowingly disseminating this kind of information, which has the explicit purpose of undermining the basic right to vote,” Warren said in a release.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,015

    Taking down 2A wasn't enough, 1A gotta go too.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/warren-proposes-criminal-penalties-for-spreading-disinformation-online.html

    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday released a plan to fight disinformation and to hold tech companies accountable for their actions in light of the 2016 election.

    “Disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy, and Donald Trump has invited both,” Warren said in a Tweet Wednesday. “Anyone who seeks to challenge and defeat Donald Trump in the 2020 election must be fully prepared to take this on – and I’ve got a plan to do it.”

    Warren proposed to combat disinformation by holding big tech companies like Facebook, Twitter and Google responsible for spreading misinformation designed to suppress voters from turning out.

    “I will push for new laws that impose tough civil and criminal penalties for knowingly disseminating this kind of information, which has the explicit purpose of undermining the basic right to vote,” Warren said in a release.
    And of course anyone who argues that White Supremacy isn't the guiding political/social ideology in America today, or that America isn't a racist country or that Islam is a destructive ideology or that trannie rights are fucking ridiculous will be spreading "disinformation."
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,818 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    Taking down 2A wasn't enough, 1A gotta go too.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/warren-proposes-criminal-penalties-for-spreading-disinformation-online.html

    Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Wednesday released a plan to fight disinformation and to hold tech companies accountable for their actions in light of the 2016 election.

    “Disinformation and online foreign interference erode our democracy, and Donald Trump has invited both,” Warren said in a Tweet Wednesday. “Anyone who seeks to challenge and defeat Donald Trump in the 2020 election must be fully prepared to take this on – and I’ve got a plan to do it.”

    Warren proposed to combat disinformation by holding big tech companies like Facebook, Twitter and Google responsible for spreading misinformation designed to suppress voters from turning out.

    “I will push for new laws that impose tough civil and criminal penalties for knowingly disseminating this kind of information, which has the explicit purpose of undermining the basic right to vote,” Warren said in a release.
    And of course anyone who argues that White Supremacy isn't the guiding political/social ideology in America today, or that America isn't a racist country or that Islam is a destructive ideology or that trannie rights are fucking ridiculous will be spreading "disinformation."
    Yang is the ONLY one who doesn’t ride that horse daily.

  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,449 Standard Supporter

    Yes, Trans Women Can Get Period Symptoms

    Why isn’t the medical community looking into this phenomenon?

    There’s one thing cis and transgender people agree on—trans women and transfeminine people don’t get periods.

    Those of us who were assigned male at birth (AMAB) generally came out of the womb without ovaries or a reproductive system that can support a pregnancy, so we don’t bleed every month in preparation for one. It’s generally seen as one of the net positives about being a transgender woman as opposed to a cisgender gal; before and after I started transitioning, my cis girlfriends came to me with their tales of woe — bloating, cramps, violent mood swings, nausea — all sometimes too intense for them to reasonably get out of bed. “You’re so lucky,” they’d moan, and I would shrug sheepishly, implicitly agreeing that I was fortunate to never share in those experiences. That would be impossible. Right?

    Imagine my shock, then, when I talked with my friend Ashley last month, just before she went into the hospital for a few weeks. Nervous about the length of time she would have to stay, she told me the reason for her reticence: “I’m due for my period in a couple days, and that’s going to really suck.”

    Uh, what?

    Ashley’s a 23-year-old trans girl who’s been on hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for over a year. She takes a cocktail of the antiandrogen spironolactone and estradiol, a form of estrogen. About five months into her treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms: First would come the soreness and swelling in her chest along with bouts of nausea; the next day, she’d endure painful abdominal cramping lasting minutes at a time, as well as constant nausea, hot flashes, dizziness, photosensitive migraines, and bloating. This cycle, she says, lasts for about six to seven days and repeats roughly every five weeks.

    About five months into her HRT treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms. CLICK TO TWEET
    If those symptoms sound familiar, it’s because billions of cis women all over the world experience similar symptoms while menstruating. Along with insomnia, general muscle fatigue, joint pain, acne, and a host of other side effects, all the afflictions Ashley reported are symptomatic of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) and/or premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). (Debilitating symptoms can be indicative of endometriosis and shouldn’t be considered a natural part of menstruation for people with uteruses — folks, call your doctors!)

    Intrigued by Ashley’s disclosure, I put out a call online for trans women to get in touch with me if they had experienced regular symptoms like hers since they began HRT. It turns out, Ashley’s not alone in her experiences — it’s not impossible for me to develop a “period” after all.



    The respondents to my question varied in age, length of time on HRT, dosage level, and administration method — while some trans people take their hormones in pill form, others choose to use patches or intramuscular injections — but they all reported similar results. Most seconded Ashley’s accounts of pain and nausea, and added that they experienced intense mood swings. One agender respondent, Blue, reported immobilizing cramps that were 30 seconds long, extreme mood swings and depressive episodes, and constant headaches — all beginning six months after starting HRT, and appearing regularly for the past five months.

    Aspen, a 24-year-old trans girl, said that although she almost always felt nauseated in the morning, she’d recently experienced excruciating “morning sickness” for a nearly weeklong stretch before it abated — almost without a trace. Still another respondent, who requested to remain anonymous, said they had “a lot of really bad period shits where it’s practically explosive it’s so horrible.” (Menstrual diarrhea isn’t as known or discussed as other symptoms, but it is definitely a thing — to nobody’s relief.)

    After speaking with about 10 diversely identified people who identified as having PMS-esque symptoms, I saw only one possible explanation: AMAB trans people can and do seem to experience period-like symptoms as a part of HRT. Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. I haven’t identified a hormonal cycle of my own, but it was clear that others had, and they weren’t limited to feeling sad and wanting chocolate (though Ashley did wryly note that she “had to be talked out of putting chocolate syrup on [her] hot dog” during a recent cycle).

    Scientifically, I was puzzled; were these symptoms strictly psychosomatic, driven by knowing feminization of these individuals’ bodies? Or were they a direct result of the physiological effects of HRT, an awakening of latent femininity in AMAB bodies? After all, there’s only one gene separating testicles from ovaries in adult humans, and all human embryos are primed to develop ovaries until a chain of genes on the Y chromosome get involved. Plus, animals of all kinds (like frogs and hawkfish) change sex frequently in response to environmental stimuli. I certainly didn’t consider my informal surveys to be comparable to a clinical trial, but the anecdotal data I rounded up was strong.

    Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. CLICK TO TWEET
    In fact, I even heard from a cis woman whose mother was prescribed HRT after having her ovaries removed, and who experienced cyclical back pain, bloating, and frequent urination/defecation — “everything but the bleeding.” “[My mother] actually has a healthier, regular cycle without most of her reproductive system than I do while still having mine,” griped the respondent. Given the dearth of medical literature regarding the effects of HRT on transgender people, why wouldn’t it be possible for AMAB people to experience something akin to a bloodless period? After all, side effects like bloating, cramping, nausea, and breast soreness are well-documented side effects of estrogen therapy. Is it such a stretch to believe that these effects could be experienced cyclically?

    This is a phenomenon that clearly requires greater study — in all of my research on the topic, I couldn’t find a single scientific examination of the matter. Perhaps part of the problem is that so few people know about it. The general cis population is understandably in the dark, because lots of trans people aren’t aware of it as a broad phenomenon either. Though a few of my respondents had discussed their symptoms in private trans groups online, most had assumed they were the only ones who were getting their “periods.”

    There is one group with strong views on the matter, however. If you listen to trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), we actually can’t experience period-like symptoms . . . because, well, we just can’t. After I put out the call for interviewees on my Tumblr, the TERF brigade leapt all over my post and covered it in some of the most vicious, unprovoked vitriol I’ve ever seen — from accusations of sexism, to claims that those talking about this were “delusional” and “parasites,” to outright threats (“i’ll gladly help them if they want to bleed from their genitals once a month”).

    I was shocked and confused — I had gathered enough anecdotal evidence to suggest a truly fascinating hormonal phenomenon, but these people had no interest in challenging their preconceived notions of what was possible for transgender people (notions that, I’ll reiterate, I used to share as well).

    But then again, perhaps this shouldn’t have come as such a surprise to me. Whether it’s in a conversation with our medical providers, friends, or even immediate family, trans people — AMAB folks in particular — have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their feelings and medical needs. We’re often told we’re exaggerating things, seeking attention or sympathy, and that our reality can’t possibly be as we describe it. Sometimes these verbal assaults turn physical. When I asked how these attacks made them feel, Blue laid down some truth:

    “I’ve always been terrified to mention [these symptoms] to anyone for the reason of feeling as though it wouldn’t go over well with anyone . . . My neurodivergency alone makes me feel as though I have to slowly kill myself at school or work (when I was in either) in order to be accepted and acknowledged. I don’t respond to criticism well at all, so I am horrified. It’s an especially odd topic for someone like me, an agender individual, who dreams every night that they might wake up AFAB instead of AMAB, [but] doesn’t really desire to relate to these symptoms in the end. It’s sad that it might not be easy to find a safe way to ever have a discussion on them.”

    Trans people have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their needs. CLICK TO TWEET
    On the other hand, Ashley said she tries to focus on the positive. Although her mother has accused her of exaggerating her symptoms in the past, and she’s afraid to contradict those who say she’s just “looking for attention,” Ashley tries to educate those cis women who say she’s “lucky” not to bleed. “Well, actually,” she grins, “I don’t have a uterus, but I have some of the downsides.” At the end of the day, she’s glad to have a little more solidarity with her trans siblings now that she knows some of them share her experiences: “It’s good to know I’m not alone.”

    Hopefully, one of these days, the medical community will dive into the matter and confirm what Ashley already knows — that periods aren’t just for vaginas anymore.

    They need to be back in the state mental institutions.
  • ClaraSorrentiClaraSorrenti Member Posts: 73
    Sledog said:

    Yes, Trans Women Can Get Period Symptoms

    Why isn’t the medical community looking into this phenomenon?

    There’s one thing cis and transgender people agree on—trans women and transfeminine people don’t get periods.

    Those of us who were assigned male at birth (AMAB) generally came out of the womb without ovaries or a reproductive system that can support a pregnancy, so we don’t bleed every month in preparation for one. It’s generally seen as one of the net positives about being a transgender woman as opposed to a cisgender gal; before and after I started transitioning, my cis girlfriends came to me with their tales of woe — bloating, cramps, violent mood swings, nausea — all sometimes too intense for them to reasonably get out of bed. “You’re so lucky,” they’d moan, and I would shrug sheepishly, implicitly agreeing that I was fortunate to never share in those experiences. That would be impossible. Right?

    Imagine my shock, then, when I talked with my friend Ashley last month, just before she went into the hospital for a few weeks. Nervous about the length of time she would have to stay, she told me the reason for her reticence: “I’m due for my period in a couple days, and that’s going to really suck.”

    Uh, what?

    Ashley’s a 23-year-old trans girl who’s been on hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for over a year. She takes a cocktail of the antiandrogen spironolactone and estradiol, a form of estrogen. About five months into her treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms: First would come the soreness and swelling in her chest along with bouts of nausea; the next day, she’d endure painful abdominal cramping lasting minutes at a time, as well as constant nausea, hot flashes, dizziness, photosensitive migraines, and bloating. This cycle, she says, lasts for about six to seven days and repeats roughly every five weeks.

    About five months into her HRT treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms. CLICK TO TWEET
    If those symptoms sound familiar, it’s because billions of cis women all over the world experience similar symptoms while menstruating. Along with insomnia, general muscle fatigue, joint pain, acne, and a host of other side effects, all the afflictions Ashley reported are symptomatic of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) and/or premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). (Debilitating symptoms can be indicative of endometriosis and shouldn’t be considered a natural part of menstruation for people with uteruses — folks, call your doctors!)

    Intrigued by Ashley’s disclosure, I put out a call online for trans women to get in touch with me if they had experienced regular symptoms like hers since they began HRT. It turns out, Ashley’s not alone in her experiences — it’s not impossible for me to develop a “period” after all.



    The respondents to my question varied in age, length of time on HRT, dosage level, and administration method — while some trans people take their hormones in pill form, others choose to use patches or intramuscular injections — but they all reported similar results. Most seconded Ashley’s accounts of pain and nausea, and added that they experienced intense mood swings. One agender respondent, Blue, reported immobilizing cramps that were 30 seconds long, extreme mood swings and depressive episodes, and constant headaches — all beginning six months after starting HRT, and appearing regularly for the past five months.

    Aspen, a 24-year-old trans girl, said that although she almost always felt nauseated in the morning, she’d recently experienced excruciating “morning sickness” for a nearly weeklong stretch before it abated — almost without a trace. Still another respondent, who requested to remain anonymous, said they had “a lot of really bad period shits where it’s practically explosive it’s so horrible.” (Menstrual diarrhea isn’t as known or discussed as other symptoms, but it is definitely a thing — to nobody’s relief.)

    After speaking with about 10 diversely identified people who identified as having PMS-esque symptoms, I saw only one possible explanation: AMAB trans people can and do seem to experience period-like symptoms as a part of HRT. Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. I haven’t identified a hormonal cycle of my own, but it was clear that others had, and they weren’t limited to feeling sad and wanting chocolate (though Ashley did wryly note that she “had to be talked out of putting chocolate syrup on [her] hot dog” during a recent cycle).

    Scientifically, I was puzzled; were these symptoms strictly psychosomatic, driven by knowing feminization of these individuals’ bodies? Or were they a direct result of the physiological effects of HRT, an awakening of latent femininity in AMAB bodies? After all, there’s only one gene separating testicles from ovaries in adult humans, and all human embryos are primed to develop ovaries until a chain of genes on the Y chromosome get involved. Plus, animals of all kinds (like frogs and hawkfish) change sex frequently in response to environmental stimuli. I certainly didn’t consider my informal surveys to be comparable to a clinical trial, but the anecdotal data I rounded up was strong.

    Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. CLICK TO TWEET
    In fact, I even heard from a cis woman whose mother was prescribed HRT after having her ovaries removed, and who experienced cyclical back pain, bloating, and frequent urination/defecation — “everything but the bleeding.” “[My mother] actually has a healthier, regular cycle without most of her reproductive system than I do while still having mine,” griped the respondent. Given the dearth of medical literature regarding the effects of HRT on transgender people, why wouldn’t it be possible for AMAB people to experience something akin to a bloodless period? After all, side effects like bloating, cramping, nausea, and breast soreness are well-documented side effects of estrogen therapy. Is it such a stretch to believe that these effects could be experienced cyclically?

    This is a phenomenon that clearly requires greater study — in all of my research on the topic, I couldn’t find a single scientific examination of the matter. Perhaps part of the problem is that so few people know about it. The general cis population is understandably in the dark, because lots of trans people aren’t aware of it as a broad phenomenon either. Though a few of my respondents had discussed their symptoms in private trans groups online, most had assumed they were the only ones who were getting their “periods.”

    There is one group with strong views on the matter, however. If you listen to trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), we actually can’t experience period-like symptoms . . . because, well, we just can’t. After I put out the call for interviewees on my Tumblr, the TERF brigade leapt all over my post and covered it in some of the most vicious, unprovoked vitriol I’ve ever seen — from accusations of sexism, to claims that those talking about this were “delusional” and “parasites,” to outright threats (“i’ll gladly help them if they want to bleed from their genitals once a month”).

    I was shocked and confused — I had gathered enough anecdotal evidence to suggest a truly fascinating hormonal phenomenon, but these people had no interest in challenging their preconceived notions of what was possible for transgender people (notions that, I’ll reiterate, I used to share as well).

    But then again, perhaps this shouldn’t have come as such a surprise to me. Whether it’s in a conversation with our medical providers, friends, or even immediate family, trans people — AMAB folks in particular — have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their feelings and medical needs. We’re often told we’re exaggerating things, seeking attention or sympathy, and that our reality can’t possibly be as we describe it. Sometimes these verbal assaults turn physical. When I asked how these attacks made them feel, Blue laid down some truth:

    “I’ve always been terrified to mention [these symptoms] to anyone for the reason of feeling as though it wouldn’t go over well with anyone . . . My neurodivergency alone makes me feel as though I have to slowly kill myself at school or work (when I was in either) in order to be accepted and acknowledged. I don’t respond to criticism well at all, so I am horrified. It’s an especially odd topic for someone like me, an agender individual, who dreams every night that they might wake up AFAB instead of AMAB, [but] doesn’t really desire to relate to these symptoms in the end. It’s sad that it might not be easy to find a safe way to ever have a discussion on them.”

    Trans people have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their needs. CLICK TO TWEET
    On the other hand, Ashley said she tries to focus on the positive. Although her mother has accused her of exaggerating her symptoms in the past, and she’s afraid to contradict those who say she’s just “looking for attention,” Ashley tries to educate those cis women who say she’s “lucky” not to bleed. “Well, actually,” she grins, “I don’t have a uterus, but I have some of the downsides.” At the end of the day, she’s glad to have a little more solidarity with her trans siblings now that she knows some of them share her experiences: “It’s good to know I’m not alone.”

    Hopefully, one of these days, the medical community will dive into the matter and confirm what Ashley already knows — that periods aren’t just for vaginas anymore.

    They need to be back in the state mental institutions.
    Why?

    You lonely?
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,449 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2020

    Sledog said:

    Yes, Trans Women Can Get Period Symptoms

    Why isn’t the medical community looking into this phenomenon?

    There’s one thing cis and transgender people agree on—trans women and transfeminine people don’t get periods.

    Those of us who were assigned male at birth (AMAB) generally came out of the womb without ovaries or a reproductive system that can support a pregnancy, so we don’t bleed every month in preparation for one. It’s generally seen as one of the net positives about being a transgender woman as opposed to a cisgender gal; before and after I started transitioning, my cis girlfriends came to me with their tales of woe — bloating, cramps, violent mood swings, nausea — all sometimes too intense for them to reasonably get out of bed. “You’re so lucky,” they’d moan, and I would shrug sheepishly, implicitly agreeing that I was fortunate to never share in those experiences. That would be impossible. Right?

    Imagine my shock, then, when I talked with my friend Ashley last month, just before she went into the hospital for a few weeks. Nervous about the length of time she would have to stay, she told me the reason for her reticence: “I’m due for my period in a couple days, and that’s going to really suck.”

    Uh, what?

    Ashley’s a 23-year-old trans girl who’s been on hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for over a year. She takes a cocktail of the antiandrogen spironolactone and estradiol, a form of estrogen. About five months into her treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms: First would come the soreness and swelling in her chest along with bouts of nausea; the next day, she’d endure painful abdominal cramping lasting minutes at a time, as well as constant nausea, hot flashes, dizziness, photosensitive migraines, and bloating. This cycle, she says, lasts for about six to seven days and repeats roughly every five weeks.

    About five months into her HRT treatment, she began experiencing a predictable pattern of symptoms. CLICK TO TWEET
    If those symptoms sound familiar, it’s because billions of cis women all over the world experience similar symptoms while menstruating. Along with insomnia, general muscle fatigue, joint pain, acne, and a host of other side effects, all the afflictions Ashley reported are symptomatic of premenstrual syndrome (PMS) and/or premenstrual dysphoric disorder (PMDD). (Debilitating symptoms can be indicative of endometriosis and shouldn’t be considered a natural part of menstruation for people with uteruses — folks, call your doctors!)

    Intrigued by Ashley’s disclosure, I put out a call online for trans women to get in touch with me if they had experienced regular symptoms like hers since they began HRT. It turns out, Ashley’s not alone in her experiences — it’s not impossible for me to develop a “period” after all.



    The respondents to my question varied in age, length of time on HRT, dosage level, and administration method — while some trans people take their hormones in pill form, others choose to use patches or intramuscular injections — but they all reported similar results. Most seconded Ashley’s accounts of pain and nausea, and added that they experienced intense mood swings. One agender respondent, Blue, reported immobilizing cramps that were 30 seconds long, extreme mood swings and depressive episodes, and constant headaches — all beginning six months after starting HRT, and appearing regularly for the past five months.

    Aspen, a 24-year-old trans girl, said that although she almost always felt nauseated in the morning, she’d recently experienced excruciating “morning sickness” for a nearly weeklong stretch before it abated — almost without a trace. Still another respondent, who requested to remain anonymous, said they had “a lot of really bad period shits where it’s practically explosive it’s so horrible.” (Menstrual diarrhea isn’t as known or discussed as other symptoms, but it is definitely a thing — to nobody’s relief.)

    After speaking with about 10 diversely identified people who identified as having PMS-esque symptoms, I saw only one possible explanation: AMAB trans people can and do seem to experience period-like symptoms as a part of HRT. Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. I haven’t identified a hormonal cycle of my own, but it was clear that others had, and they weren’t limited to feeling sad and wanting chocolate (though Ashley did wryly note that she “had to be talked out of putting chocolate syrup on [her] hot dog” during a recent cycle).

    Scientifically, I was puzzled; were these symptoms strictly psychosomatic, driven by knowing feminization of these individuals’ bodies? Or were they a direct result of the physiological effects of HRT, an awakening of latent femininity in AMAB bodies? After all, there’s only one gene separating testicles from ovaries in adult humans, and all human embryos are primed to develop ovaries until a chain of genes on the Y chromosome get involved. Plus, animals of all kinds (like frogs and hawkfish) change sex frequently in response to environmental stimuli. I certainly didn’t consider my informal surveys to be comparable to a clinical trial, but the anecdotal data I rounded up was strong.

    Just like cisgender women, our period experiences range from barely noticeable or almost nonexistent to debilitating. CLICK TO TWEET
    In fact, I even heard from a cis woman whose mother was prescribed HRT after having her ovaries removed, and who experienced cyclical back pain, bloating, and frequent urination/defecation — “everything but the bleeding.” “[My mother] actually has a healthier, regular cycle without most of her reproductive system than I do while still having mine,” griped the respondent. Given the dearth of medical literature regarding the effects of HRT on transgender people, why wouldn’t it be possible for AMAB people to experience something akin to a bloodless period? After all, side effects like bloating, cramping, nausea, and breast soreness are well-documented side effects of estrogen therapy. Is it such a stretch to believe that these effects could be experienced cyclically?

    This is a phenomenon that clearly requires greater study — in all of my research on the topic, I couldn’t find a single scientific examination of the matter. Perhaps part of the problem is that so few people know about it. The general cis population is understandably in the dark, because lots of trans people aren’t aware of it as a broad phenomenon either. Though a few of my respondents had discussed their symptoms in private trans groups online, most had assumed they were the only ones who were getting their “periods.”

    There is one group with strong views on the matter, however. If you listen to trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), we actually can’t experience period-like symptoms . . . because, well, we just can’t. After I put out the call for interviewees on my Tumblr, the TERF brigade leapt all over my post and covered it in some of the most vicious, unprovoked vitriol I’ve ever seen — from accusations of sexism, to claims that those talking about this were “delusional” and “parasites,” to outright threats (“i’ll gladly help them if they want to bleed from their genitals once a month”).

    I was shocked and confused — I had gathered enough anecdotal evidence to suggest a truly fascinating hormonal phenomenon, but these people had no interest in challenging their preconceived notions of what was possible for transgender people (notions that, I’ll reiterate, I used to share as well).

    But then again, perhaps this shouldn’t have come as such a surprise to me. Whether it’s in a conversation with our medical providers, friends, or even immediate family, trans people — AMAB folks in particular — have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their feelings and medical needs. We’re often told we’re exaggerating things, seeking attention or sympathy, and that our reality can’t possibly be as we describe it. Sometimes these verbal assaults turn physical. When I asked how these attacks made them feel, Blue laid down some truth:

    “I’ve always been terrified to mention [these symptoms] to anyone for the reason of feeling as though it wouldn’t go over well with anyone . . . My neurodivergency alone makes me feel as though I have to slowly kill myself at school or work (when I was in either) in order to be accepted and acknowledged. I don’t respond to criticism well at all, so I am horrified. It’s an especially odd topic for someone like me, an agender individual, who dreams every night that they might wake up AFAB instead of AMAB, [but] doesn’t really desire to relate to these symptoms in the end. It’s sad that it might not be easy to find a safe way to ever have a discussion on them.”

    Trans people have historically been met with violent opposition when discussing their needs. CLICK TO TWEET
    On the other hand, Ashley said she tries to focus on the positive. Although her mother has accused her of exaggerating her symptoms in the past, and she’s afraid to contradict those who say she’s just “looking for attention,” Ashley tries to educate those cis women who say she’s “lucky” not to bleed. “Well, actually,” she grins, “I don’t have a uterus, but I have some of the downsides.” At the end of the day, she’s glad to have a little more solidarity with her trans siblings now that she knows some of them share her experiences: “It’s good to know I’m not alone.”

    Hopefully, one of these days, the medical community will dive into the matter and confirm what Ashley already knows — that periods aren’t just for vaginas anymore.

    They need to be back in the state mental institutions.
    Why?

    You lonely?
    Never been there Carl.
  • DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited January 2020
    Whackohauntas Says Her Secretary of Education Would Have To Be Vetted By 9-Year-Old ‘Trans’ Child



    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/warren-says-her-secretary-of-education-would-have-to-be-vetted-by-9-year-old-trans-child/
  • DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    Operating on a 9 yr old and pumping them full of hormones is CHILD ABUSE.
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