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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,145 Founders Club

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited January 2020

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    Monopolies wont exist very long without government help.

    https://thepolicy.us/without-anti-trust-laws-wouldnt-we-be-at-the-mercy-of-monopolies-d067751a91e4
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Are you implying America had a small government through their most prosperous times?
  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,321 Founders Club

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    Monopolies wont exist very long without government help.

    https://thepolicy.us/without-anti-trust-laws-wouldnt-we-be-at-the-mercy-of-monopolies-d067751a91e4
    This ^
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,675 Founders Club

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
    “We” didn’t need to bust them. It was already happening as a natural course. The government came late to the party, after enabling near monopolies and pretended to DO SOMETHING.

    Standard oil already had lost 35% of their market share before the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed.

    “ Furthermore, and also in contradiction to monopoly theory, Standard Oil’s share of the market had declined from close to 90 percent in the late 1800s to about 65 percent at the time of the court’s ruling.”

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-standard-oil-was-a-predatory-monopoly/
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,675 Founders Club

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
    “We” didn’t need to bust them. It was already happening as a natural course. The government came late to the party, after enabling near monopolies and pretended to DO SOMETHING.

    Standard oil already had lost 35% of their market share before the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed.

    “ Furthermore, and also in contradiction to monopoly theory, Standard Oil’s share of the market had declined from close to 90 percent in the late 1800s to about 65 percent at the time of the court’s ruling.”

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-standard-oil-was-a-predatory-monopoly/
    Racist
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
    “We” didn’t need to bust them. It was already happening as a natural course. The government came late to the party, after enabling near monopolies and pretended to DO SOMETHING.

    Standard oil already had lost 35% of their market share before the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed.

    “ Furthermore, and also in contradiction to monopoly theory, Standard Oil’s share of the market had declined from close to 90 percent in the late 1800s to about 65 percent at the time of the court’s ruling.”

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-standard-oil-was-a-predatory-monopoly/
    Did he make Standard Oil into a worker’s co-op? Did @UW_Doog_Bot make a deal with Union Oil and run a pipeline to SLO? That Bot will cut your fucking throat.
    Yes. Workers Co op and the first thing they decided was coming to work was optional.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,823 Standard Supporter

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
    “We” didn’t need to bust them. It was already happening as a natural course. The government came late to the party, after enabling near monopolies and pretended to DO SOMETHING.

    Standard oil already had lost 35% of their market share before the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed.

    “ Furthermore, and also in contradiction to monopoly theory, Standard Oil’s share of the market had declined from close to 90 percent in the late 1800s to about 65 percent at the time of the court’s ruling.”

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-standard-oil-was-a-predatory-monopoly/


    Them Texans at Spindletop done did in Standard Oil.

    Laws of supply and demand. And basis civics. RIP, @CirrhosisDawg .


  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 36,145 Founders Club
    edited January 2020

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
    “We” didn’t need to bust them. It was already happening as a natural course. The government came late to the party, after enabling near monopolies and pretended to DO SOMETHING.

    Standard oil already had lost 35% of their market share before the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed.

    “ Furthermore, and also in contradiction to monopoly theory, Standard Oil’s share of the market had declined from close to 90 percent in the late 1800s to about 65 percent at the time of the court’s ruling.”

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-standard-oil-was-a-predatory-monopoly/


    Them Texans at Spindletop done did in Standard Oil.

    Laws of supply and demand. And basis civics. RIP, @CirrhosisDawg .


    The first gusher at Spindletop blew 100,000 barrels a day for 9 days before they got that shit under control. Remarkable.
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,073

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
    “We” didn’t need to bust them. It was already happening as a natural course. The government came late to the party, after enabling near monopolies and pretended to DO SOMETHING.

    Standard oil already had lost 35% of their market share before the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed.

    “ Furthermore, and also in contradiction to monopoly theory, Standard Oil’s share of the market had declined from close to 90 percent in the late 1800s to about 65 percent at the time of the court’s ruling.”

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-standard-oil-was-a-predatory-monopoly/


    Them Texans at Spindletop done did in Standard Oil.

    Laws of supply and demand. And basis civics. RIP, @CirrhosisDawg .


    The first gusher at Spindletop blew 100,000 barrels a day for 9 days before they got that shit under control. Remarkable.
    But who protested the oil spill? How did they survive the lawsuits? Who went to jail?
    Hopefully you for enabling capitalism imo
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,449 Standard Supporter

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    It depends

    We have the modern equivalent in tech today. Monopolies in steel and oil and rail developed the industries and provided the capital so that we could bust them later. Same with Gates, Apple and the rest.

    I would say that the 19th century monopolies ended up good for America in the long game. It wasn't like people were picking daises and tweeting all day. Life was hard. It got easier.

    Government regulation is the ultimate monopoly and only available to the highest bidder.
    “We” didn’t need to bust them. It was already happening as a natural course. The government came late to the party, after enabling near monopolies and pretended to DO SOMETHING.

    Standard oil already had lost 35% of their market share before the Sherman Anti Trust act was passed.

    “ Furthermore, and also in contradiction to monopoly theory, Standard Oil’s share of the market had declined from close to 90 percent in the late 1800s to about 65 percent at the time of the court’s ruling.”

    https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-standard-oil-was-a-predatory-monopoly/


    Them Texans at Spindletop done did in Standard Oil.

    Laws of supply and demand. And basis civics. RIP, @CirrhosisDawg .


    The first gusher at Spindletop blew 100,000 barrels a day for 9 days before they got that shit under control. Remarkable.
    But who protested the oil spill? How did they survive the lawsuits? Who went to jail?
    Why didn't the world end?
  • DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
    edited January 2020


    The Grand Duchy of Fenwick
  • AtomicPissAtomicPiss Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 64,538 Founders Club

    The History Channel had a series on the Men Who Made America - aka robber barons in today's lingo. It was fair and it left me wondering as it left off at the turn of the 20th Century and trust busing Teddy if the systems that were put in place in the 19th century - steel, rail, oil etc, would be possible under the overwhelming government we have today. Obviously not

    The genius of America and why I reject the whining and crying of dumbfuck socialists is the middle way we navigated the change from agrarian to industrial society and built the greatest standard of living in the history of the world

    So I'm not going to sit here and listen to people bad mouth the US of A

    Alexander the Great had to shit in a pot

    Monopolies - with the exception of some public utilities - aren't GOOD for capitalism and the consumer.
    Imagine Husky Football with Doogman.com as an only option
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