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GAO HIT PIECE on TRUMP GETS IT WRONG

DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
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edited January 2020 in Tug Tavern
A “BRIEF PAUSE” IS NOT WITHHOLDING NOR DEFERRAL


The GAO accuses the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) of violating the Budget Control and Impoundment Act. Specifically, GAO says that the Trump Administration violated the terms of a deferral under 2 U.S. Code.§ 684.Proposed deferrals of budget authority.

President Trump is accused of “withholding” funds appropriated by Congress as a gift to Ukraine for 58 days. The Budget Control and Impoundment Act regulates some of the federal budgeting process.

Now mind you the Congress has not complied with the federal budgeting process for years. When it comes to violating the Budget Control Act, the Congress is in a stupor in a heroin den while Trump is accused of jay-walking.


The Act (among many other things) allows the Administration to cancel (rescind) a federal appropriation or to defer an expenditure. So the President does have the power to rescind or defer. But the Act does requires that the President notify Congress under 2 U.S. Code § 684 if the Administration proposes to (1) rescind an appropriation or (2) defer the spending of federal appropriations.

The GAO alleges that Trump’s OMB deferred our gift to Ukraine but didn’t notify Congress. The GAO also alleges that the OMB did not have a permissible reason for a deferral. However, the GAO also whines a lot about wanting more information. So the GAO admits (if you really read between the lines) that they don’t actually know what they are claiming. They are going with the information they have, which they admit is not enough.”




https://canadafreepress.com/article/gao-hit-piece-on-trump-gets-it-wrong


“Federal funds are never spent the day that Congress votes.
There is no deadline for the spending of federal appropriations unless explicitly specified.
There are dozens sometimes hundreds of steps required by the bureaucracy from the time that Congress votes and the President signs a spending bill until the money actually goes out the door. That’s the norm.
There can be many months or years before money is actually sent to the recipient, sometimes in installments.
The processing time by the bureaucracy is not a standard or known length of time. There is no expectation that money will go out the door at any particular time. Just because Congress appropriated funds doesn’t create any expectation for when money will get distributed (unless Congress adds a deadline).
Deferral does not mean just the processing time within the bureaucracy
Deferral is an intentional act—not we are working on it, gives us a moment.”
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    BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,305
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    The timing of the GAO's bullshit is as obvious as the cavernous brainless cave above Owl's shoulders.
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    RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 101,328
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    Was anyone dumb enough to fall for this?
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,131
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    Was anyone dumb enough to fall for this?

    Point of agreement! If you needed the GAO to tell you Daddy violated the law in question, you really haven't been paying attention. This was obvious four months ago.
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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,834
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    HHusky said:

    Was anyone dumb enough to fall for this?

    Point of agreement! If you needed the GAO to tell you Daddy violated the law in question, you really haven't been paying attention. This was obvious four months ago.
    So accountants are now more authoritative on the law than attorneys.


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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,834
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    Still waiting for someone to tell me what crime Trump committed. The GAO claim is pure BS.

    The so-called attorney in this forum has been asked that question for months but refuses to cite US Criminal code or statute.

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    DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
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    Supposed ambulance chaser attempts poor imitation of Constitutional scholar.😂
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,904
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    If I were cocaine Mitch, I would call one witness - Schiff. I would ask one question, "What crime did Trump commit?" Give the Schiffster five minutes. Then vote.
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    DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
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    “In any event, even if the GAO were correct in its legal conclusion — which it is not— the alleged violation would be neither a crime nor an impeachable offense. It would be a civil violation subject to a civil remedy, as were the numerous violations alleged by the GAO with regard to other presidents. Those alleged violations were barely noted by the media. But in the hyper-partisan impeachment atmosphere, this report received breathless "breaking news" coverage and a demand for inclusion among the articles of impeachment.

    If Congress and its GAO truly believe that President Trump violated the law, let them go to court and seek the civil remedy provided by the law. But let us not continue to water down the constitutional criteria for impeachment by including highly questionable, and on my view wrongheaded, views about violations of an unconstitutional civil law.”Alan Dershowitz
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    Still waiting for someone to tell me what crime Trump committed. The GAO claim is pure BS.

    The so-called attorney in this forum has been asked that question for months but refuses to cite US Criminal code or statute.

    GAO released the code. And your head is still buried in the sand. Even in the face of the answer.
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    MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,781
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    Still waiting for someone to tell me what crime Trump committed. The GAO claim is pure BS.

    Obstruction of Congress. Oh, wait.
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,131
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    Still waiting for someone to tell me what crime Trump committed. The GAO claim is pure BS.

    Someone had to ask this disingenuous question. Those of you who wagered it would be Gasbag, please come to the window and collect your money.
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,904
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    The GAO comment is BS. Ball is still in your court, counselor. I pity your clients.
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,131
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    The GAO comment is BS. Ball is still in your court, counselor. I pity your clients.

    Federalist #65, Gasbag.
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    The GAO comment is BS. Ball is still in your court, counselor. I pity your clients.

    You want to know what part of the code was violated. When told, your news source says it's BS so you believe it. What a sheep you are.
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,131
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    2001400ex said:

    The GAO comment is BS. Ball is still in your court, counselor. I pity your clients.

    You want to know what part of the code was violated. When told, your news source says it's BS so you believe it. What a sheep you are.
    In the GOP, perjury concerning the President's sexual encounters is a threat to the Republic. The President withholding funds intended to assist a US ally in its defense against a foreign enemy as part of an extortion scheme to retain power is no big deal.
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    DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
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    edited January 2020
    Supposed Ambulance chaser HUDS, puts his spin that is worthy of his “Gentle Giant” bullshit tale .😂😂😂
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    DJDuckDJDuck Member Posts: 5,970
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    “In any event, even if the GAO were correct in its legal conclusion — which it is not— the alleged violation would be neither a crime nor an impeachable offense. It would be a civil violation subject to a civil remedy, as were the numerous violations alleged by the GAO with regard to other presidents. Those alleged violations were barely noted by the media. But in the hyper-partisan impeachment atmosphere, this report received breathless "breaking news" coverage and a demand for inclusion among the articles of impeachment.

    If Congress and its GAO truly believe that President Trump violated the law, let them go to court and seek the civil remedy provided by the law. But let us not continue to water down the constitutional criteria for impeachment by including highly questionable, and on my view wrongheaded, views about violations of an unconstitutional civil law.”Alan Dershowitz
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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    DJDuck said:
    Opinion: yes I'm sure people who don't like it have the opinion the conclusion is wrong. For example, you have the opinion that Biden is a criminal.
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