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PurpleThrobber
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Primarily aimed at our esteemed poasters with military experience:


Has the military re-instituted a draft or are current members serving of their own volition knowing the risks/rewards of said chosen field of employment?

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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,793 Swaye's Wigwam
    I guess when they had the draft before I must of been a pour kid.

    Being a Vet not sure what you mean by the question Mr. Throbber

    the guys that have gone into the service knew kind of what they were getting into, I think. Recruiters tell them a line of BS just like anywhere.

    Reasons for going into the military is so varied it is impossible to say really. Running from commitments, family, proving a point, God and country, hate? who knows
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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,206 Founders Club
    Lotta the guys I know are ready to go kill some Revolutionary guard after getting blown up by rockets and IEDs from their proxies for years. No twisters, not saying we should go to war, just saying there's not the same reluctance over it from the current military guys I know you see elsewhere.
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,793 Swaye's Wigwam
    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.
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  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,061 Standard Supporter
    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.

    You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    Now vets flaunt it to get free shit and discounts and people thanking them for their service and calling them heros.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Bendintheriver said:

    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.

    You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
    How would anyone "out in public" know he was a veteran? If you claim this happened in the last 30 years I call bullshit.
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  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,061 Standard Supporter
    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.

    You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
    How would anyone "out in public" know he was a veteran? If you claim this happened in the last 30 years I call bullshit.
    He returned from Vietnam in the early 70's. He went into manual labor at that point because he didn't know what he wanted to do. He wore his fatigues because they were old and made good work clothes. He got shit for it all the time while he was doing that job and it wasn't just from his co-workers, he got shit on TriMet going to and from work. He joined some ex-military organizations like French Foreign Legion (can't honestly remember which ones, might even have been the Elks) and they participated in the Rose Parade marching down the street. He said the shit that was yelled at him and his fellow vets was disgusting. He proudly wore his Vet hats wherever he went. He got shit for it. He gave PTLD a two year try and then moved and never heard that shit once in Wyoming. Ever.

    I know people don't like to know these facts but this shit really happened. You can call bullshit all you want, but it was reality, and you would be wrong.

    I happen to hang with a lot of Vets from Vietnam. Many now in their mid 70's. There isn't one who doesn't have stories to tell about how they were treated. I know a couple that couldn't cope with it so they found jobs on the army bases here in Atlanta to shield themselves from the assholes. One just retired from running the class 6 at a base in town here. He ran it since 1977 and he is thankful that he never had to work off base during his civilian years. My own father in-law was not given an opportunity at CNN when he came back from Vietnam. He was a Sargent in charge of all video filming and feeds from Vietnam. If you watched footage of Vietnam on NBC, CBS, ABC it came from him and his 12 man group. They told him that his service made some of the staff at CNN uncomfortable. How ironic. My father in-law put himself in danger for the better part of a 20 year career in the Army with 1000's of flights into battle to film and send back to stations like CNN. Then when he gets back, the same CNN that uses that kind of footage to generate revenue was "uncomfortable" with him being around. That was 1980-81. He should have sued their asses off but he isn't that kind of guy. When he went to local affiliates in 80-81, he was passed over for unqualified minorities because that bullshit was happening at that time. It was rough on Vets.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,840
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Lotta the guys I know are ready to go kill some Revolutionary guard after getting blown up by rockets and IEDs from their proxies for years. No twisters, not saying we should go to war, just saying there's not the same reluctance over it from the current military guys I know you see elsewhere.

    This is my impression from the military guys I know as well, though it's an admittedly fairly small sample.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.

    You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
    How would anyone "out in public" know he was a veteran? If you claim this happened in the last 30 years I call bullshit.
    He returned from Vietnam in the early 70's. He went into manual labor at that point because he didn't know what he wanted to do. He wore his fatigues because they were old and made good work clothes. He got shit for it all the time while he was doing that job and it wasn't just from his co-workers, he got shit on TriMet going to and from work. He joined some ex-military organizations like French Foreign Legion (can't honestly remember which ones, might even have been the Elks) and they participated in the Rose Parade marching down the street. He said the shit that was yelled at him and his fellow vets was disgusting. He proudly wore his Vet hats wherever he went. He got shit for it. He gave PTLD a two year try and then moved and never heard that shit once in Wyoming. Ever.

    I know people don't like to know these facts but this shit really happened. You can call bullshit all you want, but it was reality, and you would be wrong.

    I happen to hang with a lot of Vets from Vietnam. Many now in their mid 70's. There isn't one who doesn't have stories to tell about how they were treated. I know a couple that couldn't cope with it so they found jobs on the army bases here in Atlanta to shield themselves from the assholes. One just retired from running the class 6 at a base in town here. He ran it since 1977 and he is thankful that he never had to work off base during his civilian years. My own father in-law was not given an opportunity at CNN when he came back from Vietnam. He was a Sargent in charge of all video filming and feeds from Vietnam. If you watched footage of Vietnam on NBC, CBS, ABC it came from him and his 12 man group. They told him that his service made some of the staff at CNN uncomfortable. How ironic. My father in-law put himself in danger for the better part of a 20 year career in the Army with 1000's of flights into battle to film and send back to stations like CNN. Then when he gets back, the same CNN that uses that kind of footage to generate revenue was "uncomfortable" with him being around. That was 1980-81. He should have sued their asses off but he isn't that kind of guy. When he went to local affiliates in 80-81, he was passed over for unqualified minorities because that bullshit was happening at that time. It was rough on Vets.
    So it was in the 1970s. That's what I thought.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,893 Standard Supporter
    70's or now it was still the left doing the shit talking.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2020
    Bendintheriver said:

    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.

    You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
    There were Neo-Nazis robbing armored cars back in the 80s, preparing for their separate country in the PNW, dreaming of doing bad things to blacks and Jews, etc. The worst were a paramilitary offshoot of the Hayden Lake, ID group that at one point had a 100+ members. They were ex-military guys known as "The Order" led by Robert Mathews, until the ATF barbecued him inside a cabin on Whidbey Island. The most infamous act of that groups was murdering a Jewish radio talk show host, Alan Berg, in Denver. There were some Central Cali Nazis run by Tom Metzger and his son that caused some trouble, attacked people in groups, and caused some mayhem. At it's peak in the late 80's, we used to see some younger Nazi skinheads causing trouble on Cap Hill and in the U District, mostly just looking stupid in their crew-cuts, wearing camouflage, yelling at people, and occasionally jumping somebody, but after a few of those groups got their asses beat on Broadway by a bunch of blacks and gays, they sort of disappeared back into the ether.

    Turns out it's embarrassing to threaten and accost queers, and then get beaten into the ground by them.

    I would guess at its peak, the PNW Neo-Nazi movement probably had 1500-2000 loosely affiliated members and about 100 - 200 hard-core members who eventually got sued back into the Stone Age by Morris Dees and the SPLC - Back when that org actually stood for something other than hate.

    Neo-Nazis today? Mostly a figment of the Far-Left's imagination, cause they just call anyone who opposes them in any way, a Nazi. That's how ignorant the Far-Left has become.
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  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,045 Standard Supporter
    TurdBomber said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    A cousin/Vet actually moved away from the NW due to the treatment he was receiving at work and out in public. At times it was physical abuse but mostly verbal. Moved to Wyoming and has loved life ever since. All of the shit he took came from libs.

    You mention neo-nazi's. Is there such a thing in the NW? I have never seen any neo-nazi's even when I was in politics. Never have ever seen them here in the SE. I know that there are some in the world and the lib media focuses on them as if they were a mainstream group which they aren't, but it sounds like you actually ran into some and I am curious where. This is a real question and I am not disagreeing with you at all. Just curious.
    There were Neo-Nazis robbing armored cars back in the 80s, preparing for their separate country in the PNW, dreaming of doing bad things to blacks and Jews, etc. The worst were a paramilitary offshoot of the Hayden Lake, ID group that at one point had a 100+ members. They were ex-military guys known as "The Order" led by Robert Mathews, until the ATF barbecued him inside a cabin on Whidbey Island. The most infamous act of that group was murdering a Jewish radio talk show host, Alan Berg, in Denver. There were some Central Cali Nazis run by Tom Metzger and his son that caused some trouble, attacked people in groups, and caused some mayhem. At it's peak in the late 80's, we used to see some younger Nazi skinheads causing trouble on Cap Hill and in the U District, mostly just looking stupid in their crew-cuts, wearing camouflage, yelling at people, and occasionally jumping somebody, but after a few of those groups got their asses beat on Broadway by a bunch of blacks and gays, they sort of disappeared back into the ether.

    Turns out it's embarrassing to threaten and accost queers, and then get beaten into the ground by them.

    I would guess at its peak, the PNW Neo-Nazi movement probably had 1500-2000 loosely affiliated members and about 100 - 200 hard-core members who eventually got sued back into the Stone Age by Morris Dees and the SPLC - Back when that org actually stood for something other than hate.

    Neo-Nazis today? Posers, at best, but mostly a figment of the Far-Left's imagination. Anyone they disagree with is called a "Nazi." That's how fucking stupid and ignorant the far-Left has become.
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  • Alexis
    Alexis Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,398 Founders Club
    Was talking with my Colonel buddy the other day about the contractor who was killed to start the US response and he hoped that it was an actual defense contractor, ex military guy who got to carry a gun and was over there because he missed it, rather than some guy over there just cooking or cleaning toilets, because that would have made him feel a bit worse.

    But then he recounted a story of when he was over in Afghanistan, and the contractor over there cleaning toilets was whistling while doing so, and he started a discussion with him. Guy said he was the happiest guy in the world, because he was getting paid by the government 100 grand a year to clean toilets.

    So, there's that. CSB.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.
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  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,061 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2020
    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited January 2020
    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
    Bullshit. You’re position is head in the sand rah rah pure bullshit. Very very few join for patriotic selfless reason. I know many. Most enlisted because it was their best option for education and training. I know guys in the special forces and those guys love the action, adventure and tough guy warrior shit. It’s a choice that most make weighing career and work options. Almost to a person. I know west point guys too. Same goes for them. They chose it, we all make choices and sacrifices.

    I didn’t say anyone died fighting ISIS who was drafted. I said those who were drafted are in a different league when it comes to “thanking them for their service”

    In fact, most of my veteran and active friends find the thank you for your service thing to be cliche, over blown and unnecessary. Over compensation for how the Vietnam guys were treated.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
    Bullshit. You’re position is head in the sand rah rah pure bullshit. Very very few join for patriotic selfless reason. I know many. Most enlisted because it was their best option for education and training. I know guys in the special forces and those guys love the action, adventure and tough guy warrior shit. It’s a choice that most make weighing career and work options. Almost to a person. I know west point guys too. Same goes for them. They chose it, we all make choices and sacrifices.
    Racist
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
    Bullshit. You’re position is head in the sand rah rah pure bullshit. Very very few join for patriotic selfless reason. I know many. Most enlisted because it was their best option for education and training. I know guys in the special forces and those guys love the action, adventure and tough guy warrior shit. It’s a choice that most make weighing career and work options. Almost to a person. I know west point guys too. Same goes for them. They chose it, we all make choices and sacrifices.
    Racist
    More of a bigot actually.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    MikeDamone said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
    Bullshit. You’re position is head in the sand rah rah pure bullshit. Very very few join for patriotic selfless reason. I know many. Most enlisted because it was their best option for education and training. I know guys in the special forces and those guys love the action, adventure and tough guy warrior shit. It’s a choice that most make weighing career and work options. Almost to a person. I know west point guys too. Same goes for them. They chose it, we all make choices and sacrifices.
    Racist
    More of a bigot actually.
    Bigot
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,793 Swaye's Wigwam
    After 9/11 When all of a sudden little and sometimes large flags were flown from vehicles all over the place, I was driving a group of cow-orkers from one bldg to another and threw a little fit about it.

    I was ranting about these assholes that now are patriotic - asked why didn't they fly those effing flags on 9/10? Oh it wasn't required to be patriotic then.

    Needless to say, no one asked me about 9/11 or my feelings about patriotism after that any more
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    MikeDamone said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
    Bullshit. You’re position is head in the sand rah rah pure bullshit. Very very few join for patriotic selfless reason. I know many. Most enlisted because it was their best option for education and training. I know guys in the special forces and those guys love the action, adventure and tough guy warrior shit. It’s a choice that most make weighing career and work options. Almost to a person. I know west point guys too. Same goes for them. They chose it, we all make choices and sacrifices.
    Racist
    More of a bigot actually.
    Bigot
    I thank black vets for their service so they won’t think I’m racist.
    You should apologize to every black person when you speak to them


    Racist
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,739 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    LebamDawg said:

    As a Vet I have another basic gripe for me was that most of America seemed to hate anything to do with people in the military. I went years with no one even knowing I was a Vet. I did that because I got tired of everyone being so down on Vets.

    It kind of turned around a little because of 9/11 -

    but before that I had given up on the Liberal/Far Right side for spewing their hate - and seemed to be the extreme left of the dems and of course the fringe socialist parties, and the extreme right on the repubs and their neo-nazi gropus.

    Now vets flaunt it to get free shit and discounts and people thanking them for their service and calling them heros.
    To be fair, I love free shit.
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  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,061 Standard Supporter
    edited January 2020
    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
    Bullshit. You’re position is head in the sand rah rah pure bullshit. Very very few join for patriotic selfless reason. I know many. Most enlisted because it was their best option for education and training. I know guys in the special forces and those guys love the action, adventure and tough guy warrior shit. It’s a choice that most make weighing career and work options. Almost to a person. I know west point guys too. Same goes for them. They chose it, we all make choices and sacrifices.

    I didn’t say anyone died fighting ISIS who was drafted. I said those who were drafted are in a different league when it comes to “thanking them for their service”

    In fact, most of my veteran and active friends find the thank you for your service thing to be cliche, over blown and unnecessary. Over compensation for how the Vietnam guys were treated.
    So all those that ran to enlist in WWII get zero gratitude from you.

    You don't know shit about enlisted men and women. Don't pretend you do. Your comments are so far off the mark it just reveals you have some psycho problem with the men and women in the military. Your thoughts are offensive to those that felt a service to their country was important to them. You clearly don't know any enlisted men and women and I have never, ever heard any vet say that being thanked for their service is some sort of Vietnam compensation. You are full of bullshit. Would like to know what vet pissed in your cornflakes but my guess is you have never met one.

    Do us all a favor and tell us what all these big benefits are for serving your country in the military.
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    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited January 2020
    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Bendintheriver said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The number of times I've thanked anyone for their service is zero.

    They signed up, voluntarily, for a job for which they were paid, that presumable had benefits to them that out weighed the risks and costs.

    Guys drafted deserve far more praise than those who sign up to get job skills or college money.

    You clearly know no one who has pride in his country and enlisted to protect it. Joining our military has very little benefits unless you stay for 20 years and then they are way less than you think they are.. Your perspective is pure ignorant bullshit. You should thank every veteran for their service.

    I don't know how old you are or what your background is, but you need to appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Virtually no on who has lost their life to ISIS or the Taliban was drafted.

    Very disappointing that you think the way you do.
    Bullshit. You’re position is head in the sand rah rah pure bullshit. Very very few join for patriotic selfless reason. I know many. Most enlisted because it was their best option for education and training. I know guys in the special forces and those guys love the action, adventure and tough guy warrior shit. It’s a choice that most make weighing career and work options. Almost to a person. I know west point guys too. Same goes for them. They chose it, we all make choices and sacrifices.

    I didn’t say anyone died fighting ISIS who was drafted. I said those who were drafted are in a different league when it comes to “thanking them for their service”

    In fact, most of my veteran and active friends find the thank you for your service thing to be cliche, over blown and unnecessary. Over compensation for how the Vietnam guys were treated.
    So all those that ran to enlist in WWII get zero gratitude from you.

    You don't know shit about enlisted men and women. Don't pretend you do. Your comments are so far off the mark it just reveals you have some problem with the men and women in the military. Your thoughts are offensive to those that felt a service to their country was important to them. Just fuck off. You clearly don't know any enlisted men and women.
    WWII vets signed up specially for war, to be on a war, knowing they would be in a war and to defend America. They get much gratitude and respect.

    Enlisted now and since, even in times of war, most % wise, don't actually carry a weapon in battle and those that do, in my experience, love that kind of thing. Also, the "defend America" thing hasn't been part of our wars fork decades. They are made up political billshit that don't need to happen, but they convince the masses they do, then families loss people for no fucking good reason and that's sickening.

    I know many enlisted people. They did it as a career choice. Good for them. I'm not knocking it, but spare me the thank you for your service patriot i did it for my country and gave up a lucrative career to do it bullshit

    Most do it because it's their best option for a current job, training, and college money. Most, not all, but most. Many because they don't have a lot of other options. Sorry if facts offend you.
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