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    2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
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    salemcoog said:

    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    Yang is the only one left with any clue at all about anything. I wouldn't vote for him, but I can at least respect him. The rest is a fucking dumpster fire of epic proportions.

    Why not vote for him? Just wondering what you don’t like.
    Because you asked so nicely, and I am ride or die with you, here is the answer that I just pulled right off Yang's website. I am sure there are numerous other items that I do not agree with, but this right here is more than enough for me (I bolded the ones I find particularly onerous but almost all of it sucks):

    As President, I will...

    Close the gun show and Charleston loopholes, requiring all gun sales and most transfers to have a background check run and completed.
    Implement a purchase limit (rate, not total) on all firearms.
    Implement a federal cooling-off period to decrease the incidence of suicide and impulsive crime.
    Promote a stringent licensing system, with a 5-year renewal requirement, for gun ownership.
    Anyone desiring a license would need to:
    Go through a federal background check.
    Anyone with a history of violence, domestic abuse, or violent mental illness would not be allowed to hold a license.
    Interview with a federal agent, who has limited discretion on granting the license.
    Pass a basic hunting or firearm safety class.
    Provide a receipt for an appropriately-sized gun locker, or trigger locks (tax deductible).
    Individual states will determine their concealed carry/open carry laws, and reciprocity will not be federally enforced.
    Create a clear definition of “assault weapon”, and prevent their manufacture and sale.
    Prohibit the manufacture and sale of bump stocks, suppressors, incendiary/exploding ammunition, and grenade launcher attachments, and other accessories that alter functionality in a way that increases their firing rate or impact.
    Automatically confiscate any weapon that has been modified in a way as to increase its ammunition capacity, firing rate, or impact.
    Create an agency tasked with monitoring gun manufacturing developments and addressing “design-arounds” as they arise.
    Renew a ban on Large Capacity Ammo Feeding Devices (LCAFDs) and after-market non-standard large capacity magazines.
    Pass a federal gun transportation law that will require people to transport guns unloaded and locked in a storage safe.

    Increase liability for individuals who sell guns illegally that are used to commit a crime.
    Form a commission to study the development of 3D printing technology to see ways we can minimize the risk of this technology in perpetuating gun violence.
    Maintain current restrictions on and definitions of automatic weaponry.
    Stridently enforce importation restrictions on weapons and accessories.
    Create federal safety guidelines for gun manufacture and distribution, similar to federal car safety requirements, with strict penalties for the violation of these guidelines.
    Use tax incentives to encourage gun manufacturers to implement designs that prevent interchanging parts that alter the functionality of the firearm.
    Repeal laws that shield gun manufacturers from liability.
    Invest in personalized gun technology that makes it difficult or impossible for someone other than a gun’s owner to fire it, and ensure that they’re for sale on the marketplace.
    Provide a tax credit for the full value of upgrading a gun to use these systems, or work through the buyback program to allow “trades” of non-personalized guns to personalized ones.
    Implement a federal buyback program for anyone who wants to voluntarily give up their firearm.
    As stated here, invest in a more robust mental health infrastructure. This will help to identify and treat people with mental health illnesses that make them prone to suicide.
    Increase funding to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, and drastically increase funding to the US Department of Veterans Affairs Suicide Prevention efforts.
    Direct the CDC to research gun violence, and reject any budget deal that includes the Dickey Amendment.
    Require all locations where guns are sold to display information on how to receive mental health treatment or reach suicide crisis hotlines.
    Initiate and fund mindfulness programs in schools and correctional facilities, which have been demonstrated to reduce violent behavior.
    Invest heavily in law enforcement training to de-escalate situations involving firearms, and provide funding to programs that involve mental health professionals in de-escalation situations.
    Exactly. Non of that would would move the needle on gun violence. Just make normal people jump through more hoops.
    What is your solution? You speak definitely that it won’t help. But until we try I don’t know that we can say that with such certainty.

    I’m open to ideas, and the reason I support him is that I think he is too.
    It’s old. It’s tired. But it’s fact that most of the areas with the most gun restrictive laws also have the most gun violence. Background checks are standard fare in most areas already.

    I would trade vague definition and banning of “assault weapons” for a chain of custody law to make more gun owners take steps to secure their weapons so that their crazy kids and family members would have less chance of sneaking a gun out of the closet and blowing away innocents.

    That’s an after the fact solution, I know. But when somebody’s buddy/family member goes to prison for allowing their gun to leave the house to commit a crime. People would take much better care to lock up their guns.
    Out of character for me but I'm 100% on board with subsidies for gun safes and other security for gun owners. The statistics are stark as negatively correlated between gun violence and the usage of safes.
    What do you think about fingerprint trigger locks? So the gun won't fire unless the owners fingerprint is in the right place.
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 14,265
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    I think you should cut off your fingers and buy one.
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,458
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    Guns aren't useful if they're not handy and loaded. HTH
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    KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,753
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    edited December 2019
    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    Yang is the only one left with any clue at all about anything. I wouldn't vote for him, but I can at least respect him. The rest is a fucking dumpster fire of epic proportions.

    Why not vote for him? Just wondering what you don’t like.
    Because you asked so nicely, and I am ride or die with you, here is the answer that I just pulled right off Yang's website. I am sure there are numerous other items that I do not agree with, but this right here is more than enough for me (I bolded the ones I find particularly onerous but almost all of it sucks):

    As President, I will...

    Close the gun show and Charleston loopholes, requiring all gun sales and most transfers to have a background check run and completed.
    Implement a purchase limit (rate, not total) on all firearms.
    Implement a federal cooling-off period to decrease the incidence of suicide and impulsive crime.
    Promote a stringent licensing system, with a 5-year renewal requirement, for gun ownership.
    Anyone desiring a license would need to:
    Go through a federal background check.
    Anyone with a history of violence, domestic abuse, or violent mental illness would not be allowed to hold a license.
    Interview with a federal agent, who has limited discretion on granting the license.
    Pass a basic hunting or firearm safety class.
    Provide a receipt for an appropriately-sized gun locker, or trigger locks (tax deductible).
    Individual states will determine their concealed carry/open carry laws, and reciprocity will not be federally enforced.
    Create a clear definition of “assault weapon”, and prevent their manufacture and sale.
    Prohibit the manufacture and sale of bump stocks, suppressors, incendiary/exploding ammunition, and grenade launcher attachments, and other accessories that alter functionality in a way that increases their firing rate or impact.
    Automatically confiscate any weapon that has been modified in a way as to increase its ammunition capacity, firing rate, or impact.
    Create an agency tasked with monitoring gun manufacturing developments and addressing “design-arounds” as they arise.
    Renew a ban on Large Capacity Ammo Feeding Devices (LCAFDs) and after-market non-standard large capacity magazines.
    Pass a federal gun transportation law that will require people to transport guns unloaded and locked in a storage safe.

    Increase liability for individuals who sell guns illegally that are used to commit a crime.
    Form a commission to study the development of 3D printing technology to see ways we can minimize the risk of this technology in perpetuating gun violence.
    Maintain current restrictions on and definitions of automatic weaponry.
    Stridently enforce importation restrictions on weapons and accessories.
    Create federal safety guidelines for gun manufacture and distribution, similar to federal car safety requirements, with strict penalties for the violation of these guidelines.
    Use tax incentives to encourage gun manufacturers to implement designs that prevent interchanging parts that alter the functionality of the firearm.
    Repeal laws that shield gun manufacturers from liability.
    Invest in personalized gun technology that makes it difficult or impossible for someone other than a gun’s owner to fire it, and ensure that they’re for sale on the marketplace.
    Provide a tax credit for the full value of upgrading a gun to use these systems, or work through the buyback program to allow “trades” of non-personalized guns to personalized ones.
    Implement a federal buyback program for anyone who wants to voluntarily give up their firearm.
    As stated here, invest in a more robust mental health infrastructure. This will help to identify and treat people with mental health illnesses that make them prone to suicide.
    Increase funding to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, and drastically increase funding to the US Department of Veterans Affairs Suicide Prevention efforts.
    Direct the CDC to research gun violence, and reject any budget deal that includes the Dickey Amendment.
    Require all locations where guns are sold to display information on how to receive mental health treatment or reach suicide crisis hotlines.
    Initiate and fund mindfulness programs in schools and correctional facilities, which have been demonstrated to reduce violent behavior.
    Invest heavily in law enforcement training to de-escalate situations involving firearms, and provide funding to programs that involve mental health professionals in de-escalation situations.
    Exactly. Non of that would would move the needle on gun violence. Just make normal people jump through more hoops.
    What is your solution? You speak definitely that it won’t help. But until we try I don’t know that we can say that with such certainty.

    I’m open to ideas, and the reason I support him is that I think he is too.
    It’s old. It’s tired. But it’s fact that most of the areas with the most gun restrictive laws also have the most gun violence. Background checks are standard fare in most areas already.

    I would trade vague definition and banning of “assault weapons” for a chain of custody law to make more gun owners take steps to secure their weapons so that their crazy kids and family members would have less chance of sneaking a gun out of the closet and blowing away innocents.

    That’s an after the fact solution, I know. But when somebody’s buddy/family member goes to prison for allowing their gun to leave the house to commit a crime. People would take much better care to lock up their guns.
    So you wish to punish people who were the victims or crime? You applying this same principal to knives, clubs, bats, crowbars, pointy sticks, automobiles or anything else used in crimes against persons?

    It takes a special kind of person to want to jail people for being a victim. Let's punish the criminals of all classes. The left has decriminalized crime and now want to blame the victims of crime. That takes some massive mental gymnastics.

    Also apply all the requirements for gun purchase to voting and personal identification. Let's see rats back some common sense voter fraud laws.


    How is punishing the owner of a weapon who let someone else in his household get it and commit a crime, punishing the victim?
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    SledogSledog Member Posts: 31,458
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    edited December 2019
    salemcoog said:

    Sledog said:

    salemcoog said:

    Swaye said:

    Swaye said:

    Yang is the only one left with any clue at all about anything. I wouldn't vote for him, but I can at least respect him. The rest is a fucking dumpster fire of epic proportions.

    Why not vote for him? Just wondering what you don’t like.
    Because you asked so nicely, and I am ride or die with you, here is the answer that I just pulled right off Yang's website. I am sure there are numerous other items that I do not agree with, but this right here is more than enough for me (I bolded the ones I find particularly onerous but almost all of it sucks):

    As President, I will...

    Close the gun show and Charleston loopholes, requiring all gun sales and most transfers to have a background check run and completed.
    Implement a purchase limit (rate, not total) on all firearms.
    Implement a federal cooling-off period to decrease the incidence of suicide and impulsive crime.
    Promote a stringent licensing system, with a 5-year renewal requirement, for gun ownership.
    Anyone desiring a license would need to:
    Go through a federal background check.
    Anyone with a history of violence, domestic abuse, or violent mental illness would not be allowed to hold a license.
    Interview with a federal agent, who has limited discretion on granting the license.
    Pass a basic hunting or firearm safety class.
    Provide a receipt for an appropriately-sized gun locker, or trigger locks (tax deductible).
    Individual states will determine their concealed carry/open carry laws, and reciprocity will not be federally enforced.
    Create a clear definition of “assault weapon”, and prevent their manufacture and sale.
    Prohibit the manufacture and sale of bump stocks, suppressors, incendiary/exploding ammunition, and grenade launcher attachments, and other accessories that alter functionality in a way that increases their firing rate or impact.
    Automatically confiscate any weapon that has been modified in a way as to increase its ammunition capacity, firing rate, or impact.
    Create an agency tasked with monitoring gun manufacturing developments and addressing “design-arounds” as they arise.
    Renew a ban on Large Capacity Ammo Feeding Devices (LCAFDs) and after-market non-standard large capacity magazines.
    Pass a federal gun transportation law that will require people to transport guns unloaded and locked in a storage safe.

    Increase liability for individuals who sell guns illegally that are used to commit a crime.
    Form a commission to study the development of 3D printing technology to see ways we can minimize the risk of this technology in perpetuating gun violence.
    Maintain current restrictions on and definitions of automatic weaponry.
    Stridently enforce importation restrictions on weapons and accessories.
    Create federal safety guidelines for gun manufacture and distribution, similar to federal car safety requirements, with strict penalties for the violation of these guidelines.
    Use tax incentives to encourage gun manufacturers to implement designs that prevent interchanging parts that alter the functionality of the firearm.
    Repeal laws that shield gun manufacturers from liability.
    Invest in personalized gun technology that makes it difficult or impossible for someone other than a gun’s owner to fire it, and ensure that they’re for sale on the marketplace.
    Provide a tax credit for the full value of upgrading a gun to use these systems, or work through the buyback program to allow “trades” of non-personalized guns to personalized ones.
    Implement a federal buyback program for anyone who wants to voluntarily give up their firearm.
    As stated here, invest in a more robust mental health infrastructure. This will help to identify and treat people with mental health illnesses that make them prone to suicide.
    Increase funding to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, and drastically increase funding to the US Department of Veterans Affairs Suicide Prevention efforts.
    Direct the CDC to research gun violence, and reject any budget deal that includes the Dickey Amendment.
    Require all locations where guns are sold to display information on how to receive mental health treatment or reach suicide crisis hotlines.
    Initiate and fund mindfulness programs in schools and correctional facilities, which have been demonstrated to reduce violent behavior.
    Invest heavily in law enforcement training to de-escalate situations involving firearms, and provide funding to programs that involve mental health professionals in de-escalation situations.
    Exactly. Non of that would would move the needle on gun violence. Just make normal people jump through more hoops.
    What is your solution? You speak definitely that it won’t help. But until we try I don’t know that we can say that with such certainty.

    I’m open to ideas, and the reason I support him is that I think he is too.
    It’s old. It’s tired. But it’s fact that most of the areas with the most gun restrictive laws also have the most gun violence. Background checks are standard fare in most areas already.

    I would trade vague definition and banning of “assault weapons” for a chain of custody law to make more gun owners take steps to secure their weapons so that their crazy kids and family members would have less chance of sneaking a gun out of the closet and blowing away innocents.

    That’s an after the fact solution, I know. But when somebody’s buddy/family member goes to prison for allowing their gun to leave the house to commit a crime. People would take much better care to lock up their guns.
    So you wish to punish people who were the victims or crime? You applying this same principal to knives, clubs, bats, crowbars, pointy sticks, automobiles or anything else used in crimes against persons?

    It takes a special kind of person to want to jail people for being a victim. Let's punish the criminals of all classes. The left has decriminalized crime and now want to blame the victims of crime. That takes some massive mental gymnastics.

    Also apply all the requirements for gun purchase to voting and personal identification. Let's see rats back some common sense voter fraud laws.


    How is punishing the owner of a weapon who let someone else in his household get it and commit a crime, punishing the victim?
    People steal. It's theft or burglary. FYI most all of these laws say if an "unauthorized" person gains access. Cali requires locks and safes.

    Maybe if we had that requirement for a voting ID so it can't be misused.
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