Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Welcome to the Hardcore Husky Forums. Folks who are well-known in Cyberland and not that dumb.

Is It Ever OK for a President to Ask a Foreign Country to Investigate a Political Rival?

UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,182 Swaye's Wigwam
What about Trump’s requests for foreign investigations of former Vice President Biden? Can they be defended from an impeachment charge on the ground that Trump was acting in good faith?


Maybe good faith wouldn’t be an adequate defense if Trump violated campaign finance laws by seeking a “thing of value” from foreign governments in support of his reelection campaign. But I would argue that some presidential conversations with foreign leaders must be considered beyond the scope of campaign finance regulation. The exercise of commander in chief responsibility in pursuit of the national interest should not get caught up in the interpretation of regulations that fundamentally are designed to protect American elections from foreign money.

Nor is a quid pro quo offer—if that is what Trump made to Ukraine when asking for an investigation—necessarily a sign of bad faith. Such an offer could be considered legitimate if it is in the service of a valid foreign policy objective, as Michael McFaul, President Barack Obama’s ambassador to Russia, recently observed.

These points are not to suggest that Trump was justified in requesting foreign investigation of Biden. Rather, they help point the focus of the inquiry where it belongs: on Trump’s motive. Congress must determine whether the president had a good-faith basis for believing that Biden engaged in any impropriety, comparable with Nixon’s or Burr’s, that could justify the kind of requests Trump made to Ukraine and China. From all the available evidence right now, it strains credulity for Trump’s defenders to claim he is acting in good faith, but Congress must make an official judgment as part of any formal impeachment proceedings.

How can Congress establish that Trump’s motive was nefarious? For starters, the House will need to show that the Biden allegations are so spurious as to be necessarily made in bad faith. That will open the impeachment inquiry to whatever contrary evidence Trump can muster, unavoidably making Biden a focus of the inquiry—something Democrats presumably would prefer to avoid.

https://politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2019/10/06/trump-ukraine-investigate-rival-229341?fbclid=IwAR03jGrUfoTOj-y4BX3C6o9eRRSb8qckG6puFIR20ICVmiTrwP9_OCakatg
«1

Comments

  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,188 Standard Supporter
    I agree that Trump should be able to investigate any corruption regardless of who it is. There is clearly corruption with Biden and his son. If the low level rats on here were honest with themselves for just one second, even they would say that biden and his son were corrupt and that Biden actually called off an investigation of his own son by threatening to withhold aid.

    My biggest problem here is not the aforementioned issue. I could live with it either way. My problem is that the bidens clearly made money off of political thievery and the rats under The Bitch, the Secretary of State, clearly were utilizing the Russians to gather dirt on Trump. If neither were seeking political advantages and then wanted to be President, I would not be as upset. But in this case biden is running for President and so was The Bitch. Why are rats not interested in pursuing those investigations?

    What is good for the goose must be good for the gander. The bias and inconsistency in this instance is what breaks down our system of laws and government.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,182 Swaye's Wigwam

    I agree that Trump should be able to investigate any corruption regardless of who it is. There is clearly corruption with Biden and his son. If the low level rats on here were honest with themselves for just one second, even they would say that biden and his son were corrupt and that Biden actually called off an investigation of his own son by threatening to withhold aid.

    My biggest problem here is not the aforementioned issue. I could live with it either way. My problem is that the bidens clearly made money off of political thievery and the rats under The Bitch, the Secretary of State, clearly were utilizing the Russians to gather dirt on Trump. If neither were seeking political advantages and then wanted to be President, I would not be as upset. But in this case biden is running for President and so was The Bitch. Why are rats not interested in pursuing those investigations?

    What is good for the goose must be good for the gander. The bias and inconsistency in this instance is what breaks down our system of laws and government.

    Sounds like we just need Hunter Biden and his associates to testify to their innocence in all of this right?
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,267 Founders Club
    How have we established that Biden is in fact a "political rival"? Doesn't rival imply they have a chance to win?

    If I'm Trump, I'm praying-doog-gif Biden is the DNC choice.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    I agree that Trump should be able to investigate any corruption regardless of who it is. There is clearly corruption with Biden and his son. If the low level rats on here were honest with themselves for just one second, even they would say that biden and his son were corrupt and that Biden actually called off an investigation of his own son by threatening to withhold aid.

    My biggest problem here is not the aforementioned issue. I could live with it either way. My problem is that the bidens clearly made money off of political thievery and the rats under The Bitch, the Secretary of State, clearly were utilizing the Russians to gather dirt on Trump. If neither were seeking political advantages and then wanted to be President, I would not be as upset. But in this case biden is running for President and so was The Bitch. Why are rats not interested in pursuing those investigations?

    What is good for the goose must be good for the gander. The bias and inconsistency in this instance is what breaks down our system of laws and government.

    What laws did Hunter break?
  • pawzpawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,267 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    I agree that Trump should be able to investigate any corruption regardless of who it is. There is clearly corruption with Biden and his son. If the low level rats on here were honest with themselves for just one second, even they would say that biden and his son were corrupt and that Biden actually called off an investigation of his own son by threatening to withhold aid.

    My biggest problem here is not the aforementioned issue. I could live with it either way. My problem is that the bidens clearly made money off of political thievery and the rats under The Bitch, the Secretary of State, clearly were utilizing the Russians to gather dirt on Trump. If neither were seeking political advantages and then wanted to be President, I would not be as upset. But in this case biden is running for President and so was The Bitch. Why are rats not interested in pursuing those investigations?

    What is good for the goose must be good for the gander. The bias and inconsistency in this instance is what breaks down our system of laws and government.

    What laws did Hunter break?
    How come you haven't been shot?
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,073
    2001400ex said:

    I agree that Trump should be able to investigate any corruption regardless of who it is. There is clearly corruption with Biden and his son. If the low level rats on here were honest with themselves for just one second, even they would say that biden and his son were corrupt and that Biden actually called off an investigation of his own son by threatening to withhold aid.

    My biggest problem here is not the aforementioned issue. I could live with it either way. My problem is that the bidens clearly made money off of political thievery and the rats under The Bitch, the Secretary of State, clearly were utilizing the Russians to gather dirt on Trump. If neither were seeking political advantages and then wanted to be President, I would not be as upset. But in this case biden is running for President and so was The Bitch. Why are rats not interested in pursuing those investigations?

    What is good for the goose must be good for the gander. The bias and inconsistency in this instance is what breaks down our system of laws and government.

    What laws did Hunter break?
    please just die
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,182 Swaye's Wigwam
    2001400ex said:

    I agree that Trump should be able to investigate any corruption regardless of who it is. There is clearly corruption with Biden and his son. If the low level rats on here were honest with themselves for just one second, even they would say that biden and his son were corrupt and that Biden actually called off an investigation of his own son by threatening to withhold aid.

    My biggest problem here is not the aforementioned issue. I could live with it either way. My problem is that the bidens clearly made money off of political thievery and the rats under The Bitch, the Secretary of State, clearly were utilizing the Russians to gather dirt on Trump. If neither were seeking political advantages and then wanted to be President, I would not be as upset. But in this case biden is running for President and so was The Bitch. Why are rats not interested in pursuing those investigations?

    What is good for the goose must be good for the gander. The bias and inconsistency in this instance is what breaks down our system of laws and government.

    What laws did Hunter break?
    We will investigate and then find out. If he refuses to cooperate then process crimes should be good enough.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,182 Swaye's Wigwam
    2001400ex said:

    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.

    So you are saying that it's all good if it isn't "technically" illegal? How do we know that without investigating? That's the standard your standing by with Trump right?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    2001400ex said:

    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.

    So you are saying that it's all good if it isn't "technically" illegal? How do we know that without investigating? That's the standard your standing by with Trump right?
    No that's not the standard with Trump. But I know your news source tells you that. If Trump didn't break any laws, why are his top administration officials hiding?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,070
    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.

    So you are saying that it's all good if it isn't "technically" illegal? How do we know that without investigating? That's the standard your standing by with Trump right?
    No that's not the standard with Trump. But I know your news source tells you that. If Trump didn't break any laws, why are his top administration officials hiding?
    Kunt logic, is there anything it can't do?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,070
    Rats obviously believe Hunter Biden is guilty that's why they refuse to call him. Arguing like a Kunt 101
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.

    So you are saying that it's all good if it isn't "technically" illegal? How do we know that without investigating? That's the standard your standing by with Trump right?
    No that's not the standard with Trump. But I know your news source tells you that. If Trump didn't break any laws, why are his top administration officials hiding?
    Right they won't testify so they are guilty then. Why won't the Bidens just testify then and clear it all up? Nice and tidy.
    If 51 senators think this idiocy is worth pursuing and include in the rules at trump’s impeachment trial, they are more than welcome to pursue.

    Good luck with that.

    In the meantime, trump’s DOJ, FBI, and State Department could investigate this corruption any time they deem it worthwhile and anywhere it leads.

    Who’s the right man for this? Huber, Horowitz or Durham?
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,693 Founders Club
    Bot just splattered hondo all over the room and hondo doesn't even know it
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Bot just splattered hondo all over the room and hondo doesn't even know it

    You two should get together with swaye for another epic podcast. That no one ever heard. Figuratively and literally.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 16,182 Swaye's Wigwam

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.

    So you are saying that it's all good if it isn't "technically" illegal? How do we know that without investigating? That's the standard your standing by with Trump right?
    No that's not the standard with Trump. But I know your news source tells you that. If Trump didn't break any laws, why are his top administration officials hiding?
    Right they won't testify so they are guilty then. Why won't the Bidens just testify then and clear it all up? Nice and tidy.
    If 51 senators think this idiocy is worth pursuing and include in the rules at trump’s impeachment trial, they are more than welcome to pursue.

    Good luck with that.

    In the meantime, trump’s DOJ, FBI, and State Department could investigate this corruption any time they deem it worthwhile and anywhere it leads.

    Who’s the right man for this? Huber, Horowitz or Durham?
    Seems like all the Bidens need to do is testify that all this corruption stuff is completely unfounded and you have an airtight case for impeachment. All they have to do is open the books and bam, Trump is sure to be impeached regardless of the GOP in the Senate.
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.

    So you are saying that it's all good if it isn't "technically" illegal? How do we know that without investigating? That's the standard your standing by with Trump right?
    No that's not the standard with Trump. But I know your news source tells you that. If Trump didn't break any laws, why are his top administration officials hiding?
    Right they won't testify so they are guilty then. Why won't the Bidens just testify then and clear it all up? Nice and tidy.
    If 51 senators think this idiocy is worth pursuing and include in the rules at trump’s impeachment trial, they are more than welcome to pursue.

    Good luck with that.

    In the meantime, trump’s DOJ, FBI, and State Department could investigate this corruption any time they deem it worthwhile and anywhere it leads.

    Who’s the right man for this? Huber, Horowitz or Durham?
    Seems like all the Bidens need to do is testify that all this corruption stuff is completely unfounded and you have an airtight case for impeachment. All they have to do is open the books and bam, Trump is sure to be impeached regardless of the GOP in the Senate.
    Seems to whom?
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    2001400ex said:

    2001400ex said:

    Oh so you guys scream about what laws Trump broke. But now it's irrelevant and don't care if Hunter violated and laws?

    El oh fucking El.

    So you are saying that it's all good if it isn't "technically" illegal? How do we know that without investigating? That's the standard your standing by with Trump right?
    No that's not the standard with Trump. But I know your news source tells you that. If Trump didn't break any laws, why are his top administration officials hiding?
    Right they won't testify so they are guilty then. Why won't the Bidens just testify then and clear it all up? Nice and tidy.
    If 51 senators think this idiocy is worth pursuing and include in the rules at trump’s impeachment trial, they are more than welcome to pursue.

    Good luck with that.

    In the meantime, trump’s DOJ, FBI, and State Department could investigate this corruption any time they deem it worthwhile and anywhere it leads.

    Who’s the right man for this? Huber, Horowitz or Durham?
    Seems like all the Bidens need to do is testify that all this corruption stuff is completely unfounded and you have an airtight case for impeachment. All they have to do is open the books and bam, Trump is sure to be impeached regardless of the GOP in the Senate.
    Get 51votes in the senate and your fantasy will come true.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,693 Founders Club

    Bot just splattered hondo all over the room and hondo doesn't even know it

    You two should get together with swaye for another epic podcast. That no one ever heard. Figuratively and literally.
    I never did a podcast with Swaye you dumb fucking moron

Sign In or Register to comment.