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Trump vs the Troops
insinceredawg
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I RESPECT the troops. Trumptards continue to root against the home team. Traitors.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/23/us/politics/navy-discipline-edward-gallagher.html
Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/23/us/politics/navy-discipline-edward-gallagher.html
Top military officials threatened to resign or be fired if their plans to remove Chief Gallagher from the SEALs were halted by President Trump, administration officials said.
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Top Navy officials threaten to resign if Trump keeps disgraced SEAL Edward Gallagher
https://nypost.com/2019/11/23/top-navy-officials-threaten-to-resign-if-trump-keeps-disgraced-seal-edward-gallagher/
I am aware of the importance of process but IMO the Navy is better off without pussies like Richard Spencer, Collin Green and their ilk who would severely punish a decorated Navy Seal for posing with the dead body of a fucking ISIS fighter. Fuck him and his ilk as far as I am concerned.
Navy SEALs have a problem, but it's not my client Edward Gallagher
“Rear Adm. Collin Green was correct when he said “we have a problem” in Naval Special Warfare, but his desire to punish Edward Gallagher is not the solution, it is part of the problem
Just before the trial began, Green touted the results of a study on Navy SEAL culture as “properly balancing a culture of operational excellence with a culture of sound ethical compliance.” After the trial, he reversed himself to say “we have a problem.”
There was not a precipitous deterioration in the culture, but rather the sudden need to find a scapegoat because during the trial, we had exposed massive leadership failures. Instead of learning from mistakes and holding leadership accountable, leadership chose to blame Gallagher and deflect attention from themselves.
Green’s stated goal of restoring good order and discipline is both needed and laudable, but his methods are not. He recalled an entire platoon from Iraq for drinking on base, yet, according to eyewitness statements, both Green and Capt. Matthew Rosenbloom drank in Iraq on prior occasions. Green is under investigation by the inspector general for retaliating against SEALs who consult with attorneys.”
Anonymous sources made a stunning admission to The New York Times that, even after being acquitted, “Green and other Navy leaders were planning to demote (Gallagher) and force him out of the SEALs,” but that they couldn’t execute this unlawful plan because they’re afraid of the president.
If Green really wanted to fix Navy SEAL culture, he should abandon his fixation on punishing Gallagher and instead sit down with him to learn what the real problems are from his deckplate perspective. Gallagher has experienced both the best and the worst aspects of the SEAL culture, but he loves the SEAL teams and would do anything to help them improve.”
Navy SEALs have a problem, but it's not my client Edward Gallagher
Rear Adm. Collin Green should abandon his fixation on punishing Eddie Gallagher
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/10/24/navy-seals-vs-my-client-edward-gallagher-editorials-debates/4089179002/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/us/politics/navy-secretary-richard-spencer-resign.html#click=https://t.co/KFJhcI46mO
From his resignation letter: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKLGysDWoAEwLdS?format=jpg
"The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again, from Captain Lawrence's famous order "Don't Give up the Ship", to the discipline and determination that propelled our flag to the highest point on Iwo Jima. The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all. Through my Title Ten Authority, I have strived to ensure that our proceeding are fair, transparent and consistent, from the newest recruit to the Flag and General Officer live.
Unfortunately it has become apparent that in the respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."
HondoFSBros...
Taking a picture with your dead enemy is a big deal? Far, far worse was done to win WWII and I am totally fine with any and all of those things because it meant the USA won the war.
If you want to debate anything about this whole charade don't talk to me about the troops' behavior, talk about fighting false wars in the first place. If you stick a bunch of 20 year-olds in a foreign country with a bunch of guns and shit you better expect some wild stuff will happen. Better make sure they're there fighting for something that's worth fighting for in the first place.
I didn't say anything bad about Spencer...I just said Trump picked the exonerated 8 tour top platoon leader in the Navy Seals (who already had to sit in jail for 7+ months waiting for trial) over a 15 year Goldman Sachs guy.
Not sure how anyone but a moron would think that is bashing the troops...well...explains why you think so.
It has been the extreme honor of a lifetime to stand alongside the men and women of the Navy and Marine Corps team in the protection of the American people and the values we all hold dear.
Together we have made great strides over the past two years, strengthening the foundation of our readiness, and bolstering our constellation of allies and partners, to respond wherever needed with the honor and professionalism that have marked our force for the past 244 years.
Now more than ever, the United States Navy and Marine Corps stands ready and firm in every part of the globe, fueled at all times by our greatest resource – the men and women who wear the uniform. Many of them will soon miss their Thanksgiving dinners at home so that they can continue the watch beyond the curve of the horizon. They and their families are, and will forever be, my personal heroes.
As Secretary of the Navy, one of the most important responsibilities I have to our people is to maintain good order and discipline throughout the ranks. I regard this as deadly serious business. The lives of our Sailors, Marines and civilian teammates quite literally depend on the professional execution of our many missions, and they also depend on the ongoing faith and support of the people we serve and the allies we serve alongside.
The rule of law is what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good order and discipline is what has enabled our victory against foreign tyranny time and again, from Captain Lawrence's famous order "Don't Give up the Ship," to the discipline and determination that propelled our flag to the highest point of Iwo Jima. The Constitution, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, are the shields that set us apart, and the beacons that protect us all. Through my Title Ten Authority, I have strived to ensure our proceedings are fair, transparent and consistent, from the newest recruit to the Flag and General Officer level.
Unfortunately, it has become apparent that in this respect, I no longer share the same understanding with the Commander in Chief who appointed me, in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.
The President deserves and should expect a Secretary of the Navy who is aligned with his vision for the future of our force generation and sustainment. Therefore, with pride in the achievements we've shared, and everlasting faith in the continued service and fidelity of the finest Sailors, Marines and civilian teammates on earth, I hereby acknowledge my termination as United States Secretary of the Navy, to be effective immediately.
I will forever be grateful for every opportunity to have served, from my days as a Marine, to the extreme honor of serving as the 76th Secretary of the Navy. My wife Polly and I stand in appreciation and admiration of the patriots who today forge the next link in the unbroken chain of our Navy and Marine Corps, and we urge all Americans to keep them, and their families, in their hearts and prayers through this holiday season and beyond.
Thank you once again for the opportunity to serve.
Respectfully yours,
Richard V. Spencer