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Continuing to peddle Russian conspiracy theories is a strange hill to die. I'm sure within a year or two you'll deny ever talking about this one. Just like Pizzagate. Just like Uranium One.SFGbob said:
Fuckers just run their mouths. They don't even bother to read anything 3 years old!!!!!RaceBannon said:Ukraine's prosecutor general gave Mr Giuliani's claims a boost this week by announcing that he was investigating Ukrainian MP Sergiy Leshchenko, who has admitted to being behind the publication of some of the pages of the black ledger.
this fucking week asshole -
Are you completely and utterly un self aware?insinceredawg said:
Continuing to peddle Russian conspiracy theories is a strange hill to die. I'm sure within a year or two you'll deny ever talking about this one. Just like Pizzagate. Just like Uranium One.SFGbob said:
Fuckers just run their mouths. They don't even bother to read anything 3 years old!!!!!RaceBannon said:Ukraine's prosecutor general gave Mr Giuliani's claims a boost this week by announcing that he was investigating Ukrainian MP Sergiy Leshchenko, who has admitted to being behind the publication of some of the pages of the black ledger.
this fucking week asshole
The democrats have been peddling Russian bullshit since before the election and you have been here parroting every bit of it -
SS guy I personally know says that he would guard her bedroom door in the morning and when she walked out he said "Good morning Ma'am" as was customary and she responded with "Fuck you." Think about that for a second. "Fuck you" to a guy tasked with taking a bullet for you. This isn't secondhand info. Direct to me from the person guarding her. She is a complete piece of shit. At least the guy got himself switched off her detail and onto Gore. Gore is a retard, but he isn't a terrible human being.creepycoug said:
Oldest daughter's HS boyfriend ... his dad was SS. Can also confirm from him that she is, at best, a really, really, really not nice person. Talks down to everybody, barks, yells ... just a giant piece of shit as a human being.UW_Doog_Bot said:
A good friend of mine is also family with SS and further terrible stories are told regularly. IDRGAF at the end of the day as I think all politicians are awful people but it's interesting to hear what a foregone fact this is from so many people in that circle.Swaye said:
Can confirm. I personally know a SS Agent that was on her detail and the stories are amazing. She's a piece of work.Sledog said:
I think the two are pretty equal we just hear less about Hillary. Her secret service agents have interesting stories.creepycoug said:
Bill Clinton was a scumbag, which is unfortunate because I generally liked his politics. He was almost conservative is many respects.Sledog said:
Copy you agree Clinton committed a felony. The surprising thing is they actually disbarred him.HHusky said:
If your question wasn't rhetorical, the Mall should definitely ask you to turn in your badge.Sledog said:
Speaking of felonies you never answered my question.HHusky said:
Obviously Daddy is surrounded by people who just assume he wants them to take multiple unethical and felonious actions on his behalf. #MobBossWasn'tExplicitinsinceredawg said:Of course you morons have predictably attacked career state officials and military vets to protect the orange draft dodger but I've yet to see a coherent defense or explanation of what you believe transpired.
I think we can at least acknowledge the following are facts:
-Aid to Ukraine was withheld
-Trump wanted Zelensky to publicly announce that he was investigating Biden
Are we supposed to believe that these weren't related? I thought you all had moved on to "quid pro quo is okay" but you are still calling all witnesses as liars. So what is the current narrative about what happened?
But a scumbag he was. He's not alone, but when you really dig into Bill you have to conclude he's not a good guy. No, I don't believe the tin foil hat stories about pizza stores and pedo coverups. I'll need something direct on that one. But rambling on about the Clintons is hardly a persuastive technique. Anybody who knows anything knows the Clintons, Bill much more so than Hillary IMO, was/is a dirt bag.
I do think she's judged a little differently as a woman in that she'd get tagged with shit that might not stick as much if she were a big burly dude. But hey, we're an evolving animal and our society changes but not overnight. So tough shit on that point.
I don't think she's stupid (that's absurd), and I think she pays a price for lacking slickness (like William Jefferson and Barak have in spades), but overall from every corner of any little connection I have to anybody who'd be remotely qualified to say, she's a giant piece of shit and very mean and unlikeable human being. -
Elections matter. I gave that cunt Hillary $100.00 because I didn't want that boob in the White House, and was willing to have gridlock and let Congress lock her up if need be. The American people knew Trump was greasy AF before the election and still voted for him because they didn't like what the Dem's are selling them. Now they are they are doubling down on the same bull shit.HHusky said:
We can all concede that Will Rogers was right about the Democratic Party. That’s not much of a denial that Daddy did what he’s accused of.YellowSnow said:
A 37 year old mayor of some BFE Midwest college town is leading in the Iowa Dem Cockus polling . How fucktarded has the Democratic party these days? They are the folks that got Trump elected in the first place and are going to re-elect him again.Tequilla said:
1) Define what abuse of power is?HHusky said:
It may backfire on the Dems. I'm not arguing that point. It could. Realpolitik, and all that.creepycoug said:
Agreed, especially on the damage this is doing in real time to the as of yet unnamed shit show the DNC will choose to run. That guy/gal will really hate this whole circus when the campaign starts. It's kind of like Gangs of New York: when you kill a king, you see it through and you do it where everyone can see you do it. You don't "try" to do it; you don't show up to a gun fight with a sitting US President with just your dick in your hands.Swaye said:
Good chit. @YellowSnow and I were chatting today and this is a more nuanced version of what we sort of think. The only person who could potentially know that Trump was trying to "bribe" Ukraine is Rudy, and he can't be compelled to testify as Trumps lawyer even if it is true, so all you are left with is a bunch of people who have thoughts and opinions on what happened, and lots of speculation, but zero hard evidence. The longer this goes the worse it looks for the Dems, because Americans, while dumb, are not so dumb as to see a continual line of witnesses get up and say I think maybe something happened here but Trump never ordered me to do it somehow means Trump is guilty.creepycoug said:I watched it through until Castor was, I presume, about half way through questions. Just after the "this is a really important point" comment at the point Sondland was basically reasserting the 2+2 = 4 bit. Then I had a meeting and then I had to run over here. It's hard pretending to be a lawyer.
If I'm on team Trump and I'm being honest, based only what I heard this morning, I take two things away thus far: (1) it's clear nobody's going to be able to say that Trump told them to do anything that touches upon "this for that"; and (2) we're getting some meat on the bone of what most of us have assumed/suspected/worried about for some time, which is that Rudy G. is clearly there to be Trump's buffer between orders and having to answer for them, a classic rich guy move. Tell me again why you guys hate lawyers so much.
Whatever is going on here, I don't believe that Rudy G. is ever off on a rogue frolic, nor do I believe that we should be in impeachment hearings. Seems to me the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Trump wins re-election. The DNC would be smart to just drop all this, but it's way past that point now.
Keep it up Schiff. We love it in the cheap seats.
That said, if you put a gun to my head and my life depended on the accuracy of my guess at the truth here, I'd say there was something there. I'd say Trump is a crafty old rich dood who knows how to position his lawyers and other flunkies between himself and the shit he sometimes wants to do. I don't think doing this would be beneath him. I could absolutely see him making a move on something like this, finding out later it's a no no and then protecting himself. So, sure, by the time Sondland blurts out "What do you want from Ukraine?", a question if asked of me in that manner would make me wonder if I were being recorded, he probably by then had been informed it wasn't ok to offer that trade or make that implied threat. I'm just being straight here ... that scenario, IMO, is well within Trump's wheel house. But we know he's not an alter boy, so I'm not really sure I care that much.
Only thing that really matters here is that this whole circus is yet another example of the left overplaying their hand. It's such a Cuog! move to do this. They really fucked up.
But you've agreed there's probably something there. To me, abuse of the most powerful office in the world and putting personal interests ahead of national interests are not trivial. Your response amounts to "boys will be boys". Are you saying impeachment should be explored only when public opinion already favors it?
2) Having a buffer between yourself and those carrying things out isn’t exclusive to this sitting President ... it’s true for likely every sitting President and occurs in most every C-Suite in Corporate America ... the whole plausible deniability thing
3) If Biden wasn’t running for President and an investigation was launched would there be any uproar? It seems pretty clear to me that there is some smoke there. Are the Biden’s untouchable because Joe is in the race right now? Nobody seemingly is talking about this.
The reality is that the Dems don’t have a strong candidate and they know it. Everything they are doing is trying to discredit Trump compared to saying why their message is better.
The timing of all of this speaks volumes. We’re inside a year of the 2020 election ... easiest way to remove Trump is to beat him next November ... if you can
All they are doing is reminding a lot of people why they voted for Trump in 2016 -
How many Russians got indicted and charged for election meddling and how many Ukrainians?RaceBannon said:
Are you completely and utterly un self aware?insinceredawg said:
Continuing to peddle Russian conspiracy theories is a strange hill to die. I'm sure within a year or two you'll deny ever talking about this one. Just like Pizzagate. Just like Uranium One.SFGbob said:
Fuckers just run their mouths. They don't even bother to read anything 3 years old!!!!!RaceBannon said:Ukraine's prosecutor general gave Mr Giuliani's claims a boost this week by announcing that he was investigating Ukrainian MP Sergiy Leshchenko, who has admitted to being behind the publication of some of the pages of the black ledger.
this fucking week asshole
The democrats have been peddling Russian bullshit since before the election and you have been here parroting every bit of it -
More trumptrash here @CirrhosisDawgYellowSnow said:
Elections matter. I gave that cunt Hillary $100.00 because I didn't want that boob in the White House, and was willing to have gridlock and let Congress lock her up if need be. The American people knew Trump was greasy AF before the election and still voted for him because they didn't like what the Dem's are selling them. Now they are they are doubling down on the same bull shit.HHusky said:
We can all concede that Will Rogers was right about the Democratic Party. That’s not much of a denial that Daddy did what he’s accused of.YellowSnow said:
A 37 year old mayor of some BFE Midwest college town is leading in the Iowa Dem Cockus polling . How fucktarded has the Democratic party these days? They are the folks that got Trump elected in the first place and are going to re-elect him again.Tequilla said:
1) Define what abuse of power is?HHusky said:
It may backfire on the Dems. I'm not arguing that point. It could. Realpolitik, and all that.creepycoug said:
Agreed, especially on the damage this is doing in real time to the as of yet unnamed shit show the DNC will choose to run. That guy/gal will really hate this whole circus when the campaign starts. It's kind of like Gangs of New York: when you kill a king, you see it through and you do it where everyone can see you do it. You don't "try" to do it; you don't show up to a gun fight with a sitting US President with just your dick in your hands.Swaye said:
Good chit. @YellowSnow and I were chatting today and this is a more nuanced version of what we sort of think. The only person who could potentially know that Trump was trying to "bribe" Ukraine is Rudy, and he can't be compelled to testify as Trumps lawyer even if it is true, so all you are left with is a bunch of people who have thoughts and opinions on what happened, and lots of speculation, but zero hard evidence. The longer this goes the worse it looks for the Dems, because Americans, while dumb, are not so dumb as to see a continual line of witnesses get up and say I think maybe something happened here but Trump never ordered me to do it somehow means Trump is guilty.creepycoug said:I watched it through until Castor was, I presume, about half way through questions. Just after the "this is a really important point" comment at the point Sondland was basically reasserting the 2+2 = 4 bit. Then I had a meeting and then I had to run over here. It's hard pretending to be a lawyer.
If I'm on team Trump and I'm being honest, based only what I heard this morning, I take two things away thus far: (1) it's clear nobody's going to be able to say that Trump told them to do anything that touches upon "this for that"; and (2) we're getting some meat on the bone of what most of us have assumed/suspected/worried about for some time, which is that Rudy G. is clearly there to be Trump's buffer between orders and having to answer for them, a classic rich guy move. Tell me again why you guys hate lawyers so much.
Whatever is going on here, I don't believe that Rudy G. is ever off on a rogue frolic, nor do I believe that we should be in impeachment hearings. Seems to me the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Trump wins re-election. The DNC would be smart to just drop all this, but it's way past that point now.
Keep it up Schiff. We love it in the cheap seats.
That said, if you put a gun to my head and my life depended on the accuracy of my guess at the truth here, I'd say there was something there. I'd say Trump is a crafty old rich dood who knows how to position his lawyers and other flunkies between himself and the shit he sometimes wants to do. I don't think doing this would be beneath him. I could absolutely see him making a move on something like this, finding out later it's a no no and then protecting himself. So, sure, by the time Sondland blurts out "What do you want from Ukraine?", a question if asked of me in that manner would make me wonder if I were being recorded, he probably by then had been informed it wasn't ok to offer that trade or make that implied threat. I'm just being straight here ... that scenario, IMO, is well within Trump's wheel house. But we know he's not an alter boy, so I'm not really sure I care that much.
Only thing that really matters here is that this whole circus is yet another example of the left overplaying their hand. It's such a Cuog! move to do this. They really fucked up.
But you've agreed there's probably something there. To me, abuse of the most powerful office in the world and putting personal interests ahead of national interests are not trivial. Your response amounts to "boys will be boys". Are you saying impeachment should be explored only when public opinion already favors it?
2) Having a buffer between yourself and those carrying things out isn’t exclusive to this sitting President ... it’s true for likely every sitting President and occurs in most every C-Suite in Corporate America ... the whole plausible deniability thing
3) If Biden wasn’t running for President and an investigation was launched would there be any uproar? It seems pretty clear to me that there is some smoke there. Are the Biden’s untouchable because Joe is in the race right now? Nobody seemingly is talking about this.
The reality is that the Dems don’t have a strong candidate and they know it. Everything they are doing is trying to discredit Trump compared to saying why their message is better.
The timing of all of this speaks volumes. We’re inside a year of the 2020 election ... easiest way to remove Trump is to beat him next November ... if you can
All they are doing is reminding a lot of people why they voted for Trump in 2016 -
Disagree. Yellow is an honest man. I am the Pasadena chair for the campaign to elevate him to his rightful position as emperor of the inland empire. I didn’t have a problem with creep’s posts today either. The reason is neither of them are disingenuous, dishonest and duplicitous as you and the other 11 trumptrash that post here daily.RaceBannon said:
More trumptrash here @CirrhosisDawgYellowSnow said:
Elections matter. I gave that cunt Hillary $100.00 because I didn't want that boob in the White House, and was willing to have gridlock and let Congress lock her up if need be. The American people knew Trump was greasy AF before the election and still voted for him because they didn't like what the Dem's are selling them. Now they are they are doubling down on the same bull shit.HHusky said:
We can all concede that Will Rogers was right about the Democratic Party. That’s not much of a denial that Daddy did what he’s accused of.YellowSnow said:
A 37 year old mayor of some BFE Midwest college town is leading in the Iowa Dem Cockus polling . How fucktarded has the Democratic party these days? They are the folks that got Trump elected in the first place and are going to re-elect him again.Tequilla said:
1) Define what abuse of power is?HHusky said:
It may backfire on the Dems. I'm not arguing that point. It could. Realpolitik, and all that.creepycoug said:
Agreed, especially on the damage this is doing in real time to the as of yet unnamed shit show the DNC will choose to run. That guy/gal will really hate this whole circus when the campaign starts. It's kind of like Gangs of New York: when you kill a king, you see it through and you do it where everyone can see you do it. You don't "try" to do it; you don't show up to a gun fight with a sitting US President with just your dick in your hands.Swaye said:
Good chit. @YellowSnow and I were chatting today and this is a more nuanced version of what we sort of think. The only person who could potentially know that Trump was trying to "bribe" Ukraine is Rudy, and he can't be compelled to testify as Trumps lawyer even if it is true, so all you are left with is a bunch of people who have thoughts and opinions on what happened, and lots of speculation, but zero hard evidence. The longer this goes the worse it looks for the Dems, because Americans, while dumb, are not so dumb as to see a continual line of witnesses get up and say I think maybe something happened here but Trump never ordered me to do it somehow means Trump is guilty.creepycoug said:I watched it through until Castor was, I presume, about half way through questions. Just after the "this is a really important point" comment at the point Sondland was basically reasserting the 2+2 = 4 bit. Then I had a meeting and then I had to run over here. It's hard pretending to be a lawyer.
If I'm on team Trump and I'm being honest, based only what I heard this morning, I take two things away thus far: (1) it's clear nobody's going to be able to say that Trump told them to do anything that touches upon "this for that"; and (2) we're getting some meat on the bone of what most of us have assumed/suspected/worried about for some time, which is that Rudy G. is clearly there to be Trump's buffer between orders and having to answer for them, a classic rich guy move. Tell me again why you guys hate lawyers so much.
Whatever is going on here, I don't believe that Rudy G. is ever off on a rogue frolic, nor do I believe that we should be in impeachment hearings. Seems to me the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Trump wins re-election. The DNC would be smart to just drop all this, but it's way past that point now.
Keep it up Schiff. We love it in the cheap seats.
That said, if you put a gun to my head and my life depended on the accuracy of my guess at the truth here, I'd say there was something there. I'd say Trump is a crafty old rich dood who knows how to position his lawyers and other flunkies between himself and the shit he sometimes wants to do. I don't think doing this would be beneath him. I could absolutely see him making a move on something like this, finding out later it's a no no and then protecting himself. So, sure, by the time Sondland blurts out "What do you want from Ukraine?", a question if asked of me in that manner would make me wonder if I were being recorded, he probably by then had been informed it wasn't ok to offer that trade or make that implied threat. I'm just being straight here ... that scenario, IMO, is well within Trump's wheel house. But we know he's not an alter boy, so I'm not really sure I care that much.
Only thing that really matters here is that this whole circus is yet another example of the left overplaying their hand. It's such a Cuog! move to do this. They really fucked up.
But you've agreed there's probably something there. To me, abuse of the most powerful office in the world and putting personal interests ahead of national interests are not trivial. Your response amounts to "boys will be boys". Are you saying impeachment should be explored only when public opinion already favors it?
2) Having a buffer between yourself and those carrying things out isn’t exclusive to this sitting President ... it’s true for likely every sitting President and occurs in most every C-Suite in Corporate America ... the whole plausible deniability thing
3) If Biden wasn’t running for President and an investigation was launched would there be any uproar? It seems pretty clear to me that there is some smoke there. Are the Biden’s untouchable because Joe is in the race right now? Nobody seemingly is talking about this.
The reality is that the Dems don’t have a strong candidate and they know it. Everything they are doing is trying to discredit Trump compared to saying why their message is better.
The timing of all of this speaks volumes. We’re inside a year of the 2020 election ... easiest way to remove Trump is to beat him next November ... if you can
All they are doing is reminding a lot of people why they voted for Trump in 2016 -
And yet they agree with me so how disingenuous and dishonest can I be?CirrhosisDawg said:
Disagree. Yellow is an honest man. I am the Pasadena chair for the campaign to elevate him to his rightful position as emperor of the inland empire. I didn’t have a problem with creep’s posts today either. The reason is neither of them are disingenuous, dishonest and duplicitous as you and the other 11 trumptrash that post here daily.RaceBannon said:
More trumptrash here @CirrhosisDawgYellowSnow said:
Elections matter. I gave that cunt Hillary $100.00 because I didn't want that boob in the White House, and was willing to have gridlock and let Congress lock her up if need be. The American people knew Trump was greasy AF before the election and still voted for him because they didn't like what the Dem's are selling them. Now they are they are doubling down on the same bull shit.HHusky said:
We can all concede that Will Rogers was right about the Democratic Party. That’s not much of a denial that Daddy did what he’s accused of.YellowSnow said:
A 37 year old mayor of some BFE Midwest college town is leading in the Iowa Dem Cockus polling . How fucktarded has the Democratic party these days? They are the folks that got Trump elected in the first place and are going to re-elect him again.Tequilla said:
1) Define what abuse of power is?HHusky said:
It may backfire on the Dems. I'm not arguing that point. It could. Realpolitik, and all that.creepycoug said:
Agreed, especially on the damage this is doing in real time to the as of yet unnamed shit show the DNC will choose to run. That guy/gal will really hate this whole circus when the campaign starts. It's kind of like Gangs of New York: when you kill a king, you see it through and you do it where everyone can see you do it. You don't "try" to do it; you don't show up to a gun fight with a sitting US President with just your dick in your hands.Swaye said:
Good chit. @YellowSnow and I were chatting today and this is a more nuanced version of what we sort of think. The only person who could potentially know that Trump was trying to "bribe" Ukraine is Rudy, and he can't be compelled to testify as Trumps lawyer even if it is true, so all you are left with is a bunch of people who have thoughts and opinions on what happened, and lots of speculation, but zero hard evidence. The longer this goes the worse it looks for the Dems, because Americans, while dumb, are not so dumb as to see a continual line of witnesses get up and say I think maybe something happened here but Trump never ordered me to do it somehow means Trump is guilty.creepycoug said:I watched it through until Castor was, I presume, about half way through questions. Just after the "this is a really important point" comment at the point Sondland was basically reasserting the 2+2 = 4 bit. Then I had a meeting and then I had to run over here. It's hard pretending to be a lawyer.
If I'm on team Trump and I'm being honest, based only what I heard this morning, I take two things away thus far: (1) it's clear nobody's going to be able to say that Trump told them to do anything that touches upon "this for that"; and (2) we're getting some meat on the bone of what most of us have assumed/suspected/worried about for some time, which is that Rudy G. is clearly there to be Trump's buffer between orders and having to answer for them, a classic rich guy move. Tell me again why you guys hate lawyers so much.
Whatever is going on here, I don't believe that Rudy G. is ever off on a rogue frolic, nor do I believe that we should be in impeachment hearings. Seems to me the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Trump wins re-election. The DNC would be smart to just drop all this, but it's way past that point now.
Keep it up Schiff. We love it in the cheap seats.
That said, if you put a gun to my head and my life depended on the accuracy of my guess at the truth here, I'd say there was something there. I'd say Trump is a crafty old rich dood who knows how to position his lawyers and other flunkies between himself and the shit he sometimes wants to do. I don't think doing this would be beneath him. I could absolutely see him making a move on something like this, finding out later it's a no no and then protecting himself. So, sure, by the time Sondland blurts out "What do you want from Ukraine?", a question if asked of me in that manner would make me wonder if I were being recorded, he probably by then had been informed it wasn't ok to offer that trade or make that implied threat. I'm just being straight here ... that scenario, IMO, is well within Trump's wheel house. But we know he's not an alter boy, so I'm not really sure I care that much.
Only thing that really matters here is that this whole circus is yet another example of the left overplaying their hand. It's such a Cuog! move to do this. They really fucked up.
But you've agreed there's probably something there. To me, abuse of the most powerful office in the world and putting personal interests ahead of national interests are not trivial. Your response amounts to "boys will be boys". Are you saying impeachment should be explored only when public opinion already favors it?
2) Having a buffer between yourself and those carrying things out isn’t exclusive to this sitting President ... it’s true for likely every sitting President and occurs in most every C-Suite in Corporate America ... the whole plausible deniability thing
3) If Biden wasn’t running for President and an investigation was launched would there be any uproar? It seems pretty clear to me that there is some smoke there. Are the Biden’s untouchable because Joe is in the race right now? Nobody seemingly is talking about this.
The reality is that the Dems don’t have a strong candidate and they know it. Everything they are doing is trying to discredit Trump compared to saying why their message is better.
The timing of all of this speaks volumes. We’re inside a year of the 2020 election ... easiest way to remove Trump is to beat him next November ... if you can
All they are doing is reminding a lot of people why they voted for Trump in 2016
You got hondo and @insinceredawg . Nice team. I'll take @Swaye and the rest any day
I can be erudite and intellectual but fuck it why put my pearls before swine like you? -
I feel honored to be thought of as Trumptrash.CirrhosisDawg said:
Disagree. Yellow is an honest man. I am the Pasadena chair for the campaign to elevate him to his rightful position as emperor of the inland empire. I didn’t have a problem with creep’s posts today either. The reason is neither of them are disingenuous, dishonest and duplicitous as you and the other 11 trumptrash that post here daily.RaceBannon said:
More trumptrash here @CirrhosisDawgYellowSnow said:
Elections matter. I gave that cunt Hillary $100.00 because I didn't want that boob in the White House, and was willing to have gridlock and let Congress lock her up if need be. The American people knew Trump was greasy AF before the election and still voted for him because they didn't like what the Dem's are selling them. Now they are they are doubling down on the same bull shit.HHusky said:
We can all concede that Will Rogers was right about the Democratic Party. That’s not much of a denial that Daddy did what he’s accused of.YellowSnow said:
A 37 year old mayor of some BFE Midwest college town is leading in the Iowa Dem Cockus polling . How fucktarded has the Democratic party these days? They are the folks that got Trump elected in the first place and are going to re-elect him again.Tequilla said:
1) Define what abuse of power is?HHusky said:
It may backfire on the Dems. I'm not arguing that point. It could. Realpolitik, and all that.creepycoug said:
Agreed, especially on the damage this is doing in real time to the as of yet unnamed shit show the DNC will choose to run. That guy/gal will really hate this whole circus when the campaign starts. It's kind of like Gangs of New York: when you kill a king, you see it through and you do it where everyone can see you do it. You don't "try" to do it; you don't show up to a gun fight with a sitting US President with just your dick in your hands.Swaye said:
Good chit. @YellowSnow and I were chatting today and this is a more nuanced version of what we sort of think. The only person who could potentially know that Trump was trying to "bribe" Ukraine is Rudy, and he can't be compelled to testify as Trumps lawyer even if it is true, so all you are left with is a bunch of people who have thoughts and opinions on what happened, and lots of speculation, but zero hard evidence. The longer this goes the worse it looks for the Dems, because Americans, while dumb, are not so dumb as to see a continual line of witnesses get up and say I think maybe something happened here but Trump never ordered me to do it somehow means Trump is guilty.creepycoug said:I watched it through until Castor was, I presume, about half way through questions. Just after the "this is a really important point" comment at the point Sondland was basically reasserting the 2+2 = 4 bit. Then I had a meeting and then I had to run over here. It's hard pretending to be a lawyer.
If I'm on team Trump and I'm being honest, based only what I heard this morning, I take two things away thus far: (1) it's clear nobody's going to be able to say that Trump told them to do anything that touches upon "this for that"; and (2) we're getting some meat on the bone of what most of us have assumed/suspected/worried about for some time, which is that Rudy G. is clearly there to be Trump's buffer between orders and having to answer for them, a classic rich guy move. Tell me again why you guys hate lawyers so much.
Whatever is going on here, I don't believe that Rudy G. is ever off on a rogue frolic, nor do I believe that we should be in impeachment hearings. Seems to me the longer this goes on, the more likely it is that Trump wins re-election. The DNC would be smart to just drop all this, but it's way past that point now.
Keep it up Schiff. We love it in the cheap seats.
That said, if you put a gun to my head and my life depended on the accuracy of my guess at the truth here, I'd say there was something there. I'd say Trump is a crafty old rich dood who knows how to position his lawyers and other flunkies between himself and the shit he sometimes wants to do. I don't think doing this would be beneath him. I could absolutely see him making a move on something like this, finding out later it's a no no and then protecting himself. So, sure, by the time Sondland blurts out "What do you want from Ukraine?", a question if asked of me in that manner would make me wonder if I were being recorded, he probably by then had been informed it wasn't ok to offer that trade or make that implied threat. I'm just being straight here ... that scenario, IMO, is well within Trump's wheel house. But we know he's not an alter boy, so I'm not really sure I care that much.
Only thing that really matters here is that this whole circus is yet another example of the left overplaying their hand. It's such a Cuog! move to do this. They really fucked up.
But you've agreed there's probably something there. To me, abuse of the most powerful office in the world and putting personal interests ahead of national interests are not trivial. Your response amounts to "boys will be boys". Are you saying impeachment should be explored only when public opinion already favors it?
2) Having a buffer between yourself and those carrying things out isn’t exclusive to this sitting President ... it’s true for likely every sitting President and occurs in most every C-Suite in Corporate America ... the whole plausible deniability thing
3) If Biden wasn’t running for President and an investigation was launched would there be any uproar? It seems pretty clear to me that there is some smoke there. Are the Biden’s untouchable because Joe is in the race right now? Nobody seemingly is talking about this.
The reality is that the Dems don’t have a strong candidate and they know it. Everything they are doing is trying to discredit Trump compared to saying why their message is better.
The timing of all of this speaks volumes. We’re inside a year of the 2020 election ... easiest way to remove Trump is to beat him next November ... if you can
All they are doing is reminding a lot of people why they voted for Trump in 2016 -
So that's a yes on you being completely un self awareinsinceredawg said:
How many Russians got indicted and charged for election meddling and how many Ukrainians?RaceBannon said:
Are you completely and utterly un self aware?insinceredawg said:
Continuing to peddle Russian conspiracy theories is a strange hill to die. I'm sure within a year or two you'll deny ever talking about this one. Just like Pizzagate. Just like Uranium One.SFGbob said:
Fuckers just run their mouths. They don't even bother to read anything 3 years old!!!!!RaceBannon said:Ukraine's prosecutor general gave Mr Giuliani's claims a boost this week by announcing that he was investigating Ukrainian MP Sergiy Leshchenko, who has admitted to being behind the publication of some of the pages of the black ledger.
this fucking week asshole
The democrats have been peddling Russian bullshit since before the election and you have been here parroting every bit of it
