75% Reduction in Health Care Costs ??

pawz

I'm all in for REAL market efficiency.

Hondo of course will fight this tooth and nail because the Health Insurance lobby is the one buttering his bread to spam our bored above all else else. See Obamacare threads. #aclockworkshill #rightontim #lapdog #Obamacarewarrior #heswiththem


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-us-can-slash-health-care-costs-75-with-2-fundamental-changes-and-without-medicare-for-all-2019-08-15

SFGbob

HSA's are the way to go. Have people fund their healthcare needs through a payroll savings plan much like SS.

ThomasFremont

Right now I’d settle for price tags.

2001400ex

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

RaceBannon

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Pathetic

This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers

RaceBannon

Car accidents are the cause of expensive health care

2001400ex

RaceBannon said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Pathetic

This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers

Obamacare was mostly awful. I've stated that many times. I did argue, however, with idiots like you that spout bullshit about it that's not true.

RaceBannon

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Pathetic

This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers

Obamacare was mostly awful. I've stated that many times. I did argue, however, with idiots like you that spout bullshit about it that's not true.

You still shill for it and now are shilling for single payer

Bullshit about it that's not true? Saving 2500? Keeping your doctor?

Maybe take the rest of the day off and kill yourself

Pitchfork51

Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?

pawz

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

2001400ex said:

RaceBannon said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Pathetic

This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers

Obamacare was mostly awful. I've stated that many times. I did argue, however, with idiots like you that spout bullshit about it that's not true.

I was right. You're still a pathological lying #clockworkshill.

You have ZERO credibility. You should kill yourself to gain an ounce back.

pawz

Pitchfork51 said:

Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?

I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.

2001400ex

pawz said:

Pitchfork51 said:

Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?

I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.

What about forcing the insurance industry to advertise their prices on an online exchange?

SFGbob

RaceBannon said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Pathetic

This guys shills for Obamacare and suddenly questions numbers

Yeah, there's no way to pick what MRI or ambulance service you choose to use. Got to go with whichever service is provided because the hospital needs you right now.

pawz

2001400ex said:

pawz said:

Pitchfork51 said:

Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?

I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.

What about forcing the insurance industry to advertise their prices on an online exchange?

As always your avoiding the advertising of prices by the health care PROVIDER.

#aclockworkshill #rightontim #lapdog #Obamacarewarrior

2001400ex

pawz said:

2001400ex said:

pawz said:

Pitchfork51 said:

Did Obama do a single positive thing ever?

I'm willing to give credit on pre-existing conditions.

What about forcing the insurance industry to advertise their prices on an online exchange?

As always your avoiding the advertising of prices by the health care PROVIDER.

#aclockworkshill #rightontim #lapdog #Obamacarewarrior

But we don't have that right now. I'm talking about something positive Obamacare gave.

greenblood

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.

If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else.

2001400ex

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.

If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else.

And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.

greenblood

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.

If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else.

And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.

You honestly think the single emergency visit is more expensive than years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that came before that emergency. Not to mention the years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that will follow if the poor sap happens to survive?

RaceBannon

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.

If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else.

And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.

Stop





Shilling


Hondo hates the idea because it's free market based and would actually work


Single payer won't

2001400ex

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

greenblood said:

2001400ex said:

I think the 75% thing is bullshit. Price tags are hard because so many procedures are needed right now. The market for elective stuff is there already. Cancer treatments I guess you could shop around. But a lot of the costs are from accidents and such where they need you in a hospital right now. You can't pick which ambulance, surgeon, etc. MRIs and other none emergency type stuff you could do. Prescription drugs you can look at prices but the stuff people actually need, like cancer drugs, are ridiculous expensive regardless.

Like I said, it will work in some ways but not to the tune of 75%.

Emergency services are not "a lot" of the cost. "A lot" of the cost with healthcare is due to obesity, heart disease, cancer, prescription drugs, and aging.

If emergency services caused by things like car accidents is the main driver, then let's ban cars. You're for banning everything else.

And those diseases you talk about, a lot of them turn into emergency type services such as a stroke. If you have a stroke or heart attack, do you have time to pick the cheapest provider? What about kidney stones? I'm not just talking car accidents. Come on man. Even cancer at times has emergency type procedures where you can't shop your care.

You honestly think the single emergency visit is more expensive than years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that came before that emergency. Not to mention the years of prescription drugs, check ups, and scheduled procedures that will follow if the poor sap happens to survive?

There's already pricing known on prescription drugs. I didn't say it was the majority, I said it's a large part.

RaceBannon

Drug prices vary wildly too depending on insurance. You can download an app and get a huge discount paying cash

None of it makes sense but let's regulate it some more and really fix it this time