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Would you prefer college football return to the bowls-only era?

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  • TTJ
    TTJ Member Posts: 4,827
    Yes, I liked it the way it was before the BCS and playoff format
    Axe John Carroll University how well the D-III selection process works:
    https://www.news-herald.com/sports/john-carroll-football-denied-a-ncaa-d-iii-playoff-bid/article_560f8ffe-0999-11ea-94ef-ab258a7f28f3.html

    Also, they don’t play neutral site games in the D-III tourney. And the incentive to win the Pac traditionally was the Rose Bowl. Thanks for proving all my points, though.
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  • whuggy
    whuggy Member Posts: 2,088
    edited November 2019
    No, I like what they're trying to do to crown a true champion with a playoff
    TTJ said:

    Axe John Carroll University how well the D-III selection process works:
    https://www.news-herald.com/sports/john-carroll-football-denied-a-ncaa-d-iii-playoff-bid/article_560f8ffe-0999-11ea-94ef-ab258a7f28f3.html

    Also, they don’t play neutral site games in the D-III tourney. And the incentive to win the Pac traditionally was the Rose Bowl. Thanks for proving all my points, though.

    Actually you haven't convinced me in the least. I'm even more leaning to an eight team playoff. And you pretty much didn't answer any of the questions I posed so there is that.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,551 Swaye's Wigwam
    No, I like what they're trying to do to crown a true champion with a playoff
    I’m not sure an 8 team playoff would really solve the non conference scheduling. A little bit, but these coaches also pad their record with easy wins in order to get extensions.

    The NCAA needs to put their foot down and not allow teams to schedule more than one game against a non P5 team. College football would be so much better for everyone if there weren’t so many useless games.
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  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,781 Standard Supporter
    Yes, I liked it the way it was before the BCS and playoff format
    45 boomers identified.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,551 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited November 2019
    No, I like what they're trying to do to crown a true champion with a playoff
    salemcoog said:

    We don’t have a playoff now. We have a popularity contest in which 1 or 2 teams clearly deserve their spot and the rest win a political, popularity contest.

    I don’t care whether a teams fans can travel to 3 or 4 playoff games. But if you are gonna have a true playoff, that’s what needs to happen.

    And fuck a conference champion auto bid. You are just rewarding potential mediocrity with that.

    And for those that say that not having auto bids for a conference champion takes away the meaning of it. Tell me you guys weren’t excited after you recent P12 titles.

    Because you were. As you should have been.

    There is no way to completely get rid of the popularity contest. Even with 8 teams, the 3 at large’s would be debatable. It would water down those complaints tho because winning the conference would get you in.

    I disagree that winning a conference championship rewards mediocrity. Don’t care what conference it is, winning it is tough and deserves to be rewarded.
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 30,551 Swaye's Wigwam
    No, I like what they're trying to do to crown a true champion with a playoff
    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    Keep the playoff system at four teams to keep it elite. Auto bids for conference champions is dumb. Having only 4 spots ensures only the teams who play the best ball are represented in the final four at the end of the season. It's a big motivation factor.

    If a team can win the conference and get through the 3 games in the playoff they deserve it. Yes, every couple of years a 9 win team would win their conference championship game and make the playoffs. Once in the playoffs, they would have to beat 3 really good teams to win the natty. I don’t see how that story would be a bad thing.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 70,113 Founders Club
    Yes, I liked it the way it was before the BCS and playoff format
    TTJ said:

    ESPN has reduced the entire CFB season to an elaborate ad campaign for its playoff spectacle. All the oxygen gets sucked up by the top 8-10 teams, and the committee intrigue. The other 90+% of the sport--where most of the fun happens--gets drowned out.

    College football is never going to be the NFL. It's inescapably lumpy and provincial and full of inequities and biases. That's what makes it great. Because there are so many teams, and so few games, you will never design a playoff format that can escape the influence of polls and computers and committees and subjectivity.

    The playoff, like the BCS before it, has proved great for the profiteers and terrible for the sport. In fifty years, tOSU and Bammer fans probably won't even remember which of their teams won the 2015 beauty contest. But you can bet your ass BYU and UW fans will still be debating who should have been the mythical National Champion in 1984. Gimme back my Rose Bowl, dammit.

    That second paragraph is a thing of beauty
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  • Emoterman
    Emoterman Member Posts: 3,333
    Yes, I liked it the way it was before the BCS and playoff format
    whuggy said:

    TTJ said:

    whuggy said:

    TTJ said:

    ESPN has reduced the entire CFB season to an elaborate ad campaign for its playoff spectacle. All the oxygen gets sucked up by the top 8-10 teams, and the committee intrigue. The other 90+% of the sport--where most of the fun happens--gets drowned out.

    College football is never going to be the NFL. It's inescapably lumpy and provincial and full of inequities and biases. That's what makes it great. Because there are so many teams, and so few games, you will never design a playoff format that can escape the influence of polls and computers and committees and subjectivity.

    The playoff, like the BCS before it, has proved great for the profiteers and terrible for the sport. In fifty years, tOSU and Bammer fans probably won't even remember which of their teams won the 2015 beauty contest. But you can bet your ass BYU and UW fans will still be debating who should have been the mythical National Champion in 1984. Gimme back my Rose Bowl, dammit.

    I'm curious. So why does every other NCAA sport have a playoff and it works, yet you think football is the one exception? Honestly interested in where people are coming from. An 8 team playoff just seems the simplest thing in the world to me and it would greatly improve the regular season. That's my motivation. Getting the regular season
    back to interesting games instead of scheduling walkovers that you can beat by 50.
    I’ve already explained it: Too many teams, too few games. In basketball, you have a 68-team tourney to mitigate the influence of subjectivity. But you can’t do that in football.

    An 8-team tourney solves nothing. The selection process and seeding would still be heavily dependent on subjectivity. There’s always gonna be a #9. And no fanbase can possibly travel cross-country in stadium numbers on short notice three weeks in a row. So you’re either going to play first-round games in half-empty neutral stadiums *or* you’ve going to bestow home field advantage in the selection process—thus even further compounding your subjectivity problem. There’s no escaping it.

    The bowls were perfect for everyone but the profiteers. The Playoff, like the old BCS, is a solution in search of a problem.
    So why does it work for Division 3 with 16 teams? And what's the incentive to win your conference if it doesn't guarantee you a spot? And why risk a loss in regular season by scheduling strong? And why not try to eliminate the ESPN/SEC bias in selecting the four?


    See attached for 99.9% of sports fans' opinion about DIII playoffs. The other response to your post shows you it apparently doesn't work.

    What mouth-breathers on here think March Madness (ILTCIMM, ILTDT) really selects the best team?
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  • Southerndawg
    Southerndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,358 Founders Club
    edited November 2019
    Yes, I liked it the way it was before the BCS and playoff format
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Going back to the Bowls would be lame now after we’ve already had the playoff. The bets should play the best.

    With the old bowl system an undefeated team would sometimes play a team with 3 losses. Ohio State being undefeated and playing a 2-3 loss Oregon or Utah team would suck.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_Rose_Bowl

    7-4 vs 10-1. 7-4 for the win. The game didn't suck. Neither did the 7-4 team.
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