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China Syndrome

WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,713 Standard Supporter
Currently, Zantac is out of production due to a chicom chemical spiked with a carcinogen, no extra charge. If a US manufacture was selling tainted chemicals and pharmaceuticals into China, the Chinese would have full recourse in US courts. Try suing a chicom owned manufacture in China and see what you get. You could try to recover in the US, but the chicom assets located in the US would be minimal.
Still surprised that the US drug companies are still so reliant on cheating bastards like the chicoms. Baxter was the manufacturer of heparin in the US and got the sh*t (rightfully so) sued out of them for the US deaths. Maybe they are making the chicom manufacturers post a bond, but I doubt it.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/
CHINA SYNDROME: U.S. Dependence on Pharmaceutical Products From China. Seems like a bad idea. “While the potential exposure to raw material supply disruptions drives part of our fear, concern about the safety and efficacy of Chinese-made pharmaceuticals is another component. In the summer of 2018, one of China’s largest domestic vaccine makers sold at least 250,000 substandard doses of vaccine for diphtheria, tetanus, and whooping cough. It was the latest in a slew of scandals caused by poor quality drug products made in China over the last decade. In 2008, the contamination of a raw ingredient imported from China and used to make heparin, a blood-thinning drug, was associated with at least eighty-one deaths the United States. According to an investigative journalist, fraud and manipulation of quality data is still endemic in Chinese pharmaceutical firms.”

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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,461 Standard Supporter
    Two different blood pressure meds with the same problem. Maybe They're trying to kill off Americans
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    If I like my Zantac with cancer can I keep it?

    Not to dismiss the premise here or change the subject, but I wonder if this is like the saccharine causes cancer scare in the 1970’s. Where it turns out you’d have to eat an unattainable amount to matter. Seems like we’ve had a lot of those “scares” like that in the last 50 years. All the way to now with cow farts and 12 years to do SOMETHING. But this time it’s different....

    Hijack over.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    Zantac is being recalled because scientists discovered due to the molecular makeup of the drug when it interacts with nitrite rich food in the stomach is can produce carcinogens...but good story Gasbag.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,700 Founders Club
    GDS said:

    Zantac is being recalled because scientists discovered due to the molecular makeup of the drug when it interacts with nitrite rich food in the stomach is can produce carcinogens...but good story Gasbag.

    China's shill heard from
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited November 2019
    GDS said:

    Zantac is being recalled because scientists discovered due to the molecular makeup of the drug when it interacts with nitrite rich food in the stomach is can produce carcinogens...but good story Gasbag.

    Oh really... my news source (CNN) says differently.

    “The FDA said last month that some ranitidine medications -- including those known by the brand name Zantac -- contain low levels of an impurity that could cause cancer.+

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/health/cvs-zantac-pulled-cancer-trnd/index.html

  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470
    Zantac's risk appears to be the unstable nature of the drug itself, said Valisure CEO David Light.

    “This isn’t some new, bad manufacturing process overseas like what happened with valsartan and losartan,” Light said. “It is our view that this problem with ranitidine has been there since the 1980s.

    "It's a much more serious issue."

    Valisure tested Zantac in stomach-like fluids with and without added nitrites, chemicals commonly found in foods and the body. When those chemicals were added, Valisure found NDMA levels for one tablet of Zantac reached more than 3,100 times the FDA's daily threshold.

    Light said testing the drug with added nitrites created "stomach relevant" conditions.

    "Ingesting nitrite-containing foods like hot dogs can significantly increase stomach levels of nitrite," Light said. "These foods are often eaten by individuals either before or after taking antacid products."

    Studies pointing to risk date to 1980s

    Light said studies conducted in the 1980s raised concern about potential safety risks. In a citizen petition to the FDA, Valisure said Zantac's originator, Glaxo Research Group, conducted its own study in 1987 "after numerous studies raised concerns" about ranitidine.

    The Glaxo study examined stomach contents of people who took the drug. It found people had no significant increase in nitrosamines such as NDMA within 24 hours of taking ranitidine.

    Light said the study's testing methods were less accurate and researchers discarded stomach samples that contained ranitidine. Without those samples, researchers would not find NDMA or nitrosamines that form as a result of taking the drug, Light said.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 107,700 Founders Club
    Now we're believing drug manufacturers

    Because China pays Scott well
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    Now we're believing drug manufacturers

    Because China pays Scott well

    uhhhh you have a reading comprehension problem? It's not the drug manufacturer that's making the claim...
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    GDS said:

    Zantac's risk appears to be the unstable nature of the drug itself, said Valisure CEO David Light.

    “This isn’t some new, bad manufacturing process overseas like what happened with valsartan and losartan,” Light said. “It is our view that this problem with ranitidine has been there since the 1980s.

    "It's a much more serious issue."

    Valisure tested Zantac in stomach-like fluids with and without added nitrites, chemicals commonly found in foods and the body. When those chemicals were added, Valisure found NDMA levels for one tablet of Zantac reached more than 3,100 times the FDA's daily threshold.

    Light said testing the drug with added nitrites created "stomach relevant" conditions.

    "Ingesting nitrite-containing foods like hot dogs can significantly increase stomach levels of nitrite," Light said. "These foods are often eaten by individuals either before or after taking antacid products."

    Studies pointing to risk date to 1980s

    Light said studies conducted in the 1980s raised concern about potential safety risks. In a citizen petition to the FDA, Valisure said Zantac's originator, Glaxo Research Group, conducted its own study in 1987 "after numerous studies raised concerns" about ranitidine.

    The Glaxo study examined stomach contents of people who took the drug. It found people had no significant increase in nitrosamines such as NDMA within 24 hours of taking ranitidine.

    Light said the study's testing methods were less accurate and researchers discarded stomach samples that contained ranitidine. Without those samples, researchers would not find NDMA or nitrosamines that form as a result of taking the drug, Light said.

    Wait, so we aren’t believing CNN and the FDA, but are siding with Big Pharma? I’m confused about this. Or is it really just about defending communists? “Educated”, not indoctrinated.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 34,461 Standard Supporter
    Scott has the eyes, check his avatar.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    GDS said:

    Now we're believing drug manufacturers

    Because China pays Scott well

    uhhhh you have a reading comprehension problem? It's not the drug manufacturer that's making the claim...
    Yeah, not the manufacturer, just the sales people. That makes it way better.


    It’s also the manufactures though. Glaxo is a manufacturer. But thanks for the info.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    GDS said:

    Zantac's risk appears to be the unstable nature of the drug itself, said Valisure CEO David Light.

    “This isn’t some new, bad manufacturing process overseas like what happened with valsartan and losartan,” Light said. “It is our view that this problem with ranitidine has been there since the 1980s.

    "It's a much more serious issue."

    Valisure tested Zantac in stomach-like fluids with and without added nitrites, chemicals commonly found in foods and the body. When those chemicals were added, Valisure found NDMA levels for one tablet of Zantac reached more than 3,100 times the FDA's daily threshold.

    Light said testing the drug with added nitrites created "stomach relevant" conditions.

    "Ingesting nitrite-containing foods like hot dogs can significantly increase stomach levels of nitrite," Light said. "These foods are often eaten by individuals either before or after taking antacid products."

    Studies pointing to risk date to 1980s

    Light said studies conducted in the 1980s raised concern about potential safety risks. In a citizen petition to the FDA, Valisure said Zantac's originator, Glaxo Research Group, conducted its own study in 1987 "after numerous studies raised concerns" about ranitidine.

    The Glaxo study examined stomach contents of people who took the drug. It found people had no significant increase in nitrosamines such as NDMA within 24 hours of taking ranitidine.

    Light said the study's testing methods were less accurate and researchers discarded stomach samples that contained ranitidine. Without those samples, researchers would not find NDMA or nitrosamines that form as a result of taking the drug, Light said.

    Wait, so we aren’t believing CNN and the FDA, but are siding with Big Pharma? I’m confused about this. Or is it really just about defending communists? “Educated”, not indoctrinated.
    It sounds like Big Pharma fucked this one up from the jump as this has been a problem with the drug since it came out in the 80's.

    Studies pointing to risk date to 1980s

    Light said studies conducted in the 1980s raised concern about potential safety risks. In a citizen petition to the FDA, Valisure said Zantac's originator, Glaxo Research Group, conducted its own study in 1987 "after numerous studies raised concerns" about ranitidine.

    The Glaxo study examined stomach contents of people who took the drug. It found people had no significant increase in nitrosamines such as NDMA within 24 hours of taking ranitidine.

    Light said the study's testing methods were less accurate and researchers discarded stomach samples that contained ranitidine. Without those samples, researchers would not find NDMA or nitrosamines that form as a result of taking the drug, Light said.

    Light said the Stanford study and his lab's own analysis shows the potential health risk for people who took the drug.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,713 Standard Supporter
    The carcinogen is in the pill. How hard is that. It's in the blood pressure medicines. You leftards love to shill for the chicoms. Pointing out how phu*cked up the FDA is would be a separate conversation. They should be in charge of the internet
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    The carcinogen is in the pill. How hard is that. It's in the blood pressure medicines. You leftards love to shill for the chicoms. Pointing out how phu*cked up the FDA is would be a separate conversation. They should be in charge of the internet

    So you disagree with the numerous studies that show due to the molecular structure of the drug when mixed with nitrates commonly found in food it leads to the carcinogen because....feelings. Got it.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,713 Standard Supporter
    So you love phu*cking strawman ass? Got it. The carcinogen was in the pill. Why you support chicom contaminated pharmaceutical chemicals would remain a mystery if you weren't rooting for the away team.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,367

    Great flick. Recommended
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    So you love phu*cking strawman ass? Got it. The carcinogen was in the pill. Why you support chicom contaminated pharmaceutical chemicals would remain a mystery if you weren't rooting for the away team.

    Have the chicoms been contaminating the pills since the 80’s?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    So you love phu*cking strawman ass? Got it. The carcinogen was in the pill. Why you support chicom contaminated pharmaceutical chemicals would remain a mystery if you weren't rooting for the away team.

    You can say fucking here. No need to censor it. Let alone censor it two different ways.
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