Cut the Pay and Benefits of Congress
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Not true. But you don’t know much about corporations. Tell us again how self employment tax works. That was a hoot. Idiot.2001400ex said:
You are technically correct for once. Business owners are not employees.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You don't have a job. HTH.2001400ex said:
You sound poor. There's zero chance I'd ever work for Congress for only $200k a year. The pay is fine. I agree with throbber other than I'd completely eliminate the lobbying system.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're conflating two issues, corruption and Congressional pay and benefits. The issue is saving the taxpayer money by reducing Congressional pay and benefits to something more aligned with what the average American gets paid and the benefits the average American receives upon retirement.PurpleThrobber said:Nah. Pay is fine. Nothing special.
Eliminate campaign contribution from unions, PACs and corporations and shit will clean up fast. Limit individual contributions to set amount.
Enact term limits. Two terms in Senate. Four in the House.
Limit employment with government contractors and company boards for five years after term ends unless previously on board prior to election.
Problems pretty well solved. -
AOC says hello.PurpleThrobber said:
I don’t want average people representing me. I want people properly incented to leave their career at whatever stage that may be.oregonblitzkrieg said:Average household median income was $63,000 in 2018. The average pension benefits for someone over 65 in the private sector was 10K.
Reduce Congressional pay to 63,000 a year. If you factor in all the time they take off, it is the same as paying someone 126K who does the same job but who actually works 5 days a week. Reduce their pension from 100K a year to 10K or less.
Serving 2 to 4 years in Congress should not get you a 100K yearly paycheck for life. Funded by the taxpayers. Fund your own damn retirement, or get another jerb.
I want exceptional people as representatives. People who have achieved some level of success. Exceptional people aren’t settling for what they could probably pull in the private sector.
You get shitfucks and unemployed at $63K. -
You're never going to get money out of elections. The only way is to reduce the power and the authority of the Congress and the Federal Government so that no one thinks it benefits them to give money in order to curry influence and favor.GDS said:Agree. Members of Congress spend about 2/3rds of their time fundraising. Like Throbber mentioned in another thread get the money out of elections so these representatives can actually spend their time working and less time wooing the all mighty dollar as well.
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I rest my case.2001400ex said:
AOC says hello.PurpleThrobber said:
I don’t want average people representing me. I want people properly incented to leave their career at whatever stage that may be.oregonblitzkrieg said:Average household median income was $63,000 in 2018. The average pension benefits for someone over 65 in the private sector was 10K.
Reduce Congressional pay to 63,000 a year. If you factor in all the time they take off, it is the same as paying someone 126K who does the same job but who actually works 5 days a week. Reduce their pension from 100K a year to 10K or less.
Serving 2 to 4 years in Congress should not get you a 100K yearly paycheck for life. Funded by the taxpayers. Fund your own damn retirement, or get another jerb.
I want exceptional people as representatives. People who have achieved some level of success. Exceptional people aren’t settling for what they could probably pull in the private sector.
You get shitfucks and unemployed at $63K. -
They have been trying to limit money in elections forever and unless you're going to do things that are plainly unConstitutional it isn't going to work.
Why do people spend so much money to get elected to an office that only pays $180K a year? Because of the power you acquire and the ability to make yourself extremely wealthy if you stay in office long enough.
Change that, and you'll get money out of politics. -
You're over-simplifying one major issue.oregonblitzkrieg said:
You're conflating two issues, corruption and Congressional pay and benefits. The issue is saving the taxpayer money by reducing Congressional pay and benefits to something more aligned with what the average American gets paid and the benefits the average American receives upon retirement.PurpleThrobber said:Nah. Pay is fine. Nothing special.
Eliminate campaign contribution from unions, PACs and corporations and shit will clean up fast. Limit individual contributions to set amount.
Enact term limits. Two terms in Senate. Four in the House.
Limit employment with government contractors and company boards for five years after term ends unless previously on board prior to election.
Problems pretty well solved.
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The people representing you are career politicians. Not 'exceptional people.' HTFH. If your definition of exceptional is how much money the candidate has made, then someone like Hunter Biden should suffice, right? He qualifies as exceptional under your definition.PurpleThrobber said:
I don’t want average people representing me. I want people properly incented to leave their career at whatever stage that may be.oregonblitzkrieg said:Average household median income was $63,000 in 2018. The average pension benefits for someone over 65 in the private sector was 10K.
Reduce Congressional pay to 63,000 a year. If you factor in all the time they take off, it is the same as paying someone 126K who does the same job but who actually works 5 days a week. Reduce their pension from 100K a year to 10K or less.
Serving 2 to 4 years in Congress should not get you a 100K yearly paycheck for life. Funded by the taxpayers. Fund your own damn retirement, or get another jerb.
I want exceptional people as representatives. People who have achieved some level of success. Exceptional people aren’t settling for what they could probably pull in the private sector.
You get shitfucks and unemployed at $63K.
Your 'exceptional people' have put the country under trillions of dollars of debt, have got us into countless wars, have bilked trillions of dollars of tax payer money for these wars and their endless pet projects. The party representing one half of America wants to shred your constitutional rights. Your exceptional people angle is weak.
By the people for the people. If the average American household makes $63,000 a year, so should the Congressman who is representing that household. He will better serve the interests of the people if he lives under the same conditions as the people he represents. This will eliminate some people who are in it only for the money. So what. That might be a good thing. It won't eliminate people who are only in it for the power, though. Term limits deals with that. That is another issue altogether. -
You could by ending all contributions to candidates, PACs etc but it would cut into people's first amendment rights. According to Open Secrets we? spent 6.5 billion on the 2016 election which supports a lot of "jobs" hence why it will never happen.SFGbob said:
You're never going to get money out of elections. The only way is to reduce the power and the authority of the Congress and the Federal Government so that no one thinks it benefits them to give money in order to curry influence and favor.GDS said:Agree. Members of Congress spend about 2/3rds of their time fundraising. Like Throbber mentioned in another thread get the money out of elections so these representatives can actually spend their time working and less time wooing the all mighty dollar as well.
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They have been trying to limit money in elections forever and unless you're going to do things that are plainly unConstitutional it isn't going to work.GDS said:
You could by ending all contributions to candidates, PACs etc but it would cut into people's first amendment rights. According to Open Secrets we? spent 6.5 billion on the 2016 election which supports a lot of "jobs" hence why it will never happen.SFGbob said:
You're never going to get money out of elections. The only way is to reduce the power and the authority of the Congress and the Federal Government so that no one thinks it benefits them to give money in order to curry influence and favor.GDS said:Agree. Members of Congress spend about 2/3rds of their time fundraising. Like Throbber mentioned in another thread get the money out of elections so these representatives can actually spend their time working and less time wooing the all mighty dollar as well.
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Your case is weak.PurpleThrobber said:
I rest my case.2001400ex said:
AOC says hello.PurpleThrobber said:
I don’t want average people representing me. I want people properly incented to leave their career at whatever stage that may be.oregonblitzkrieg said:Average household median income was $63,000 in 2018. The average pension benefits for someone over 65 in the private sector was 10K.
Reduce Congressional pay to 63,000 a year. If you factor in all the time they take off, it is the same as paying someone 126K who does the same job but who actually works 5 days a week. Reduce their pension from 100K a year to 10K or less.
Serving 2 to 4 years in Congress should not get you a 100K yearly paycheck for life. Funded by the taxpayers. Fund your own damn retirement, or get another jerb.
I want exceptional people as representatives. People who have achieved some level of success. Exceptional people aren’t settling for what they could probably pull in the private sector.
You get shitfucks and unemployed at $63K.
