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This is great. Now all non revenue generated sport will have no scholarships
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Considering this will directly affect me in the future, not sure how to feel about it. On one hand it's cool that superstars like Tebow or Johnny Football or Kyler Murray can get their bag for their college performance, but on the other hand this could affect sports like mine (baseball).FirePete said:This is great. Now all non revenue generated sport will have no scholarships
The only option for the NCAA that won't make everyone hate them is to allow it for all institutions. There's no way that they just let the Cali schools do it, since all the best players would want in. -
If this gives us NCAA 2021, I'm all for it.
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Fucking Cali.
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Employers can prohibit shit all the time even though it's "legal." Why can't the NCAA continue to maintain that if you participate in its organization you have to play by its rules? Legal battles will drag this out another few years and nothing will change until it's settled.
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Saw this idea elsewhere and it made a lot of sense to me...
Give the kids a choice: either they get a scholarship from the school plus all of the living/food stipends that come with it, or forgo all of that to get endorsement money. They would still count towards the 85 cap.
We’d see real quick how many players can actually be worth the cost of all the things they’d be forgoing (hint: it’s not many) -
Interesting idea.NEsnake12 said:Saw this idea elsewhere and it made a lot of sense to me...
Give the kids a choice: either they get a scholarship from the school plus all of the living/food stipends that come with it, or forgo all of that to get endorsement money. They would still count towards the 85 cap.
We’d see real quick how many players can actually be worth the cost of all the things they’d be forgoing (hint: it’s not many)
What happens when they think they are the shit and forgo the scholarship only to find out they are actually just shit?
Thousands of what-if’s. This was just the first one that came to mind. -
The same thing that happened when the NFL started drafting juniors. Guys declare and then don’t get picked and other guys learn from that.dirtysouwfdawg said:
Interesting idea.NEsnake12 said:Saw this idea elsewhere and it made a lot of sense to me...
Give the kids a choice: either they get a scholarship from the school plus all of the living/food stipends that come with it, or forgo all of that to get endorsement money. They would still count towards the 85 cap.
We’d see real quick how many players can actually be worth the cost of all the things they’d be forgoing (hint: it’s not many)
What happens when they think they are the shit and forgo the scholarship only to find out they are actually just shit?
Thousands of what-if’s. This was just the first one that came to mind. -
I don't know if I like that, though. There'd be a lot of dumb teenagers taking the endorsement money who don't know any better and worse, snake oil salesmen in CFB would persuade them it's a good idea.NEsnake12 said:Saw this idea elsewhere and it made a lot of sense to me...
Give the kids a choice: either they get a scholarship from the school plus all of the living/food stipends that come with it, or forgo all of that to get endorsement money. They would still count towards the 85 cap.
We’d see real quick how many players can actually be worth the cost of all the things they’d be forgoing (hint: it’s not many)
The counting towards the 85 cap makes sense, but how hard would it be for Nick Saban to use the Bama booster network, set up endorsements for all his top recruits, and start persuading all the kids in the country to come to Bama and make 100k a year?
I don't think that levels the playing field at all. The idea is fine - the kids will learn from the ones who make bad decisions - but there are ways that the rich programs can and will take advantage of it.
Winners win, I know. But that seems to just mean the rich get richer. This benefits flashy schools like Oregon and USC and downgrades ones like UW, since Pete would hate that.
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Fuck. Yes.UWhuskytskeet said:If this gives us NCAA 2021, I'm all for it.
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I think you're drastically overestimating the market.jhfstyle24 said:
I don't know if I like that, though. There'd be a lot of dumb teenagers taking the endorsement money who don't know any better and worse, snake oil salesmen in CFB would persuade them it's a good idea.NEsnake12 said:Saw this idea elsewhere and it made a lot of sense to me...
Give the kids a choice: either they get a scholarship from the school plus all of the living/food stipends that come with it, or forgo all of that to get endorsement money. They would still count towards the 85 cap.
We’d see real quick how many players can actually be worth the cost of all the things they’d be forgoing (hint: it’s not many)
The counting towards the 85 cap makes sense, but how hard would it be for Nick Saban to use the Bama booster network, set up endorsements for all his top recruits, and start persuading all the kids in the country to come to Bama and make 100k a year?
I don't think that levels the playing field at all. The idea is fine - the kids will learn from the ones who make bad decisions - but there are ways that the rich programs can and will take advantage of it.
Winners win, I know. But that seems to just mean the rich get richer. This benefits flashy schools like Oregon and USC and downgrades ones like UW, since Pete would hate that.
DeAndre Ayton was rumored to be paid $10K per month by Sean Miller. That's a future NBA star in a sport where individual talent is far more important than in football (QB's excluded). Without finding exact $'s, I don't think I've ever seen a rumor of a CFB player getting more than $100K as a signing bonus, let alone annually.
And that's not to mention that there will be an inevitable bidding war for the elite of the elite talent, which will take away potential $ for the 4 star recruits -
Albert Means was paid 200,000 by an Alabama booster in 2001 to sign, so it has happened and probably does often.NEsnake12 said:
I think you're drastically overestimating the market.jhfstyle24 said:
I don't know if I like that, though. There'd be a lot of dumb teenagers taking the endorsement money who don't know any better and worse, snake oil salesmen in CFB would persuade them it's a good idea.NEsnake12 said:Saw this idea elsewhere and it made a lot of sense to me...
Give the kids a choice: either they get a scholarship from the school plus all of the living/food stipends that come with it, or forgo all of that to get endorsement money. They would still count towards the 85 cap.
We’d see real quick how many players can actually be worth the cost of all the things they’d be forgoing (hint: it’s not many)
The counting towards the 85 cap makes sense, but how hard would it be for Nick Saban to use the Bama booster network, set up endorsements for all his top recruits, and start persuading all the kids in the country to come to Bama and make 100k a year?
I don't think that levels the playing field at all. The idea is fine - the kids will learn from the ones who make bad decisions - but there are ways that the rich programs can and will take advantage of it.
Winners win, I know. But that seems to just mean the rich get richer. This benefits flashy schools like Oregon and USC and downgrades ones like UW, since Pete would hate that.
DeAndre Ayton was rumored to be paid $10K per month by Sean Miller. That's a future NBA star in a sport where individual talent is far more important than in football (QB's excluded). Without finding exact $'s, I don't think I've ever seen a rumor of a CFB player getting more than $100K as a signing bonus, let alone annually.
And that's not to mention that there will be an inevitable bidding war for the elite of the elite talent, which will take away potential $ for the 4 star recruits
It's also different because it is paid public endorsements and not under the table. In a high penetration football market I would expect the endorsement setup for recruits to be very high, especially at an elite booster program. -
I think you’re rightjhfstyle24 said:
Albert Means was paid 200,000 by an Alabama booster in 2001 to sign, so it has happened and probably does often.NEsnake12 said:
I think you're drastically overestimating the market.jhfstyle24 said:
I don't know if I like that, though. There'd be a lot of dumb teenagers taking the endorsement money who don't know any better and worse, snake oil salesmen in CFB would persuade them it's a good idea.NEsnake12 said:Saw this idea elsewhere and it made a lot of sense to me...
Give the kids a choice: either they get a scholarship from the school plus all of the living/food stipends that come with it, or forgo all of that to get endorsement money. They would still count towards the 85 cap.
We’d see real quick how many players can actually be worth the cost of all the things they’d be forgoing (hint: it’s not many)
The counting towards the 85 cap makes sense, but how hard would it be for Nick Saban to use the Bama booster network, set up endorsements for all his top recruits, and start persuading all the kids in the country to come to Bama and make 100k a year?
I don't think that levels the playing field at all. The idea is fine - the kids will learn from the ones who make bad decisions - but there are ways that the rich programs can and will take advantage of it.
Winners win, I know. But that seems to just mean the rich get richer. This benefits flashy schools like Oregon and USC and downgrades ones like UW, since Pete would hate that.
DeAndre Ayton was rumored to be paid $10K per month by Sean Miller. That's a future NBA star in a sport where individual talent is far more important than in football (QB's excluded). Without finding exact $'s, I don't think I've ever seen a rumor of a CFB player getting more than $100K as a signing bonus, let alone annually.
And that's not to mention that there will be an inevitable bidding war for the elite of the elite talent, which will take away potential $ for the 4 star recruits
It's also different because it is paid public endorsements and not under the table. In a high penetration football market I would expect the endorsement setup for recruits to be very high, especially at an elite booster program. -
Paying a player to commit is stupid. That's how teams used to get probation and the players usually didn't pan out
Paying players after they commit and show up and do something has the same effect because the word gets out to the right people and the kid actually earned something
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This is going to snowball quickly, and players profiting off their likeness is probably unavoidable. Anyone here who thinks we’ll maintain the status quo is delusional.
The “scholarship or endorsements, your choice” solution is still the most solid I’ve heard, even though it’s not perfect as @jhfstyle24 illustrated -
NEsnake12 said:
This is going to snowball quickly, and players profiting off their likeness is probably unavoidable. Anyone here who thinks we’ll maintain the status quo is delusional.
The “scholarship or endorsements, your choice” solution is still the most solid I’ve heard, even though it’s not perfect as @jhfstyle24 illustrated -
I really don't think much will change, other than the other P5 conferences will now be able to compete more with the SEC.
The people who seem to be most against it are Darren Rovell and other similar slapdicks, so it makes me like it just based on them opposing it. -
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As if college hoops needed to get any worser.UWhuskytskeet said: -
Schools are going to dump any player marketing and it won't matter a bit to them. The player's 'likeness' won't be out there any longer bc they won't be shown on any advertising/marketing, etc. Fans will know they are playing only by the number on their back, since the schools will take all names or likeness out of the mix. They think this is going to be big for the students when the NCAA and/or school will simply strip any publicity for the individual player and still get the crowds. I'm for schollie or endorsie and counting towards the limit, but I believe things will change really quick once we go down that slope. Oh, you are injured.... damn, hope your Twitch channel keeps doing well while the team promotes the schollie players and getting their name out there.NEsnake12 said:This is going to snowball quickly, and players profiting off their likeness is probably unavoidable. Anyone here who thinks we’ll maintain the status quo is delusional.
The “scholarship or endorsements, your choice” solution is still the most solid I’ve heard, even though it’s not perfect as @jhfstyle24 illustrated
