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Wait - Jon Wilner is Creep?

YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,438 Founders Club
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The dis-respck is fucking unreal @creepycoug

USC is like Ohio State, except there’s no Michigan in the Pac-12. (Sorry, Washington, but it’s true.)

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/18/dear-usc-president-carol-folt-a-very-real-made-up-letter-from-pac-12-constituents/
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,262
    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Agreed.

    I'll say this too: Ohio State and USC are NOTHING alike. Very different jerbs. They share little in common other than a winning tradition and ability to recruit well. But the people behind the curtain and the prevailing cultures are super different. Urbs' intensity fits well in Columbus, where football is a religion. There are other soft skills you need to navigate your way around the largest population center on the west coast, and west coast kids are different than eastern kids. The differences are not as pronounced as when comparing southern football factories like Bamers to laid back west coast Pac 12, but it's along those lines.
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  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,438 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Michigan probably trumps us by a wide margin in conference titles. But we have the same number of post WWII natties- i.e., .5
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,262
    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Michigan probably trumps us by a wide margin in conference titles. But we have the same number of post WWII natties- i.e., .5
    A lot of Michigan's lore is tied up in the fact they've been winning consistently for a long, long tim. That is a rather boring tradition if it does not include intermittent runs of dominance, which they've not had in my lifetime.
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 106,018 Founders Club
    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Michigan probably trumps us by a wide margin in conference titles. But we have the same number of post WWII natties- i.e., .5
    17-10 in conference titles post 1975

    Michigan leads the series 7-5 which again without looking is probably our best effort by far against a "blue blood"
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  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,034
    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    You and I are old enough to remember when people would say that you couldn't spell Lloyd Carr Football without four Ls
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  • gabemarkskneegabemarksknee Member Posts: 336
    RaceBannon said:

    BearsWiin said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    You and I are old enough to remember when people would say that you couldn't spell Lloyd Carr Football without four Ls
    Yep and then heard Cowherd today saying he rates Michigan as a 9 or 10 win team and Harbaugh is hitting the mark

    9 wins is 4 losses in 2019
    Flagged for listening to Cowherd. Is retirement that dull?
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  • DerekJohnsonDerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 63,563 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    YellowSnow said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Michigan probably trumps us by a wide margin in conference titles. But we have the same number of post WWII natties- i.e., .5
    17-10 in conference titles post 1975

    Michigan leads the series 7-5 which again without looking is probably our best effort by far against a "blue blood"
    UW is 1-0 vs. Florida!!1!!
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  • 1to392831weretaken1to392831weretaken Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,631 Swaye's Wigwam
    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Agreed.

    I'll say this too: Ohio State and USC are NOTHING alike. Very different jerbs. They share little in common other than a winning tradition and ability to recruit well. But the people behind the curtain and the prevailing cultures are super different. Urbs' intensity fits well in Columbus, where football is a religion. There are other soft skills you need to navigate your way around the largest population center on the west coast, and west coast kids are different than eastern kids. The differences are not as pronounced as when comparing southern football factories like Bamers to laid back west coast Pac 12, but it's along those lines.
    Disagree. College football is college football, and the recipe works no matter where you are (adjusting for altitude, of course): Have access to a deep and wide talent pool, pay well enough to acquire the services of a lot/the best of them, be good with Xs and Os.

    USC has had institutional problems lately, with a run of absolutely terrible AD hires, but there will be a new AD. They have a huge fan base when the team is winning. They have the tradition and pull to recruit nationwide, thus mitigating perceived "culture" issues. They just need a coach who's both dirty/ruthless and good enough to put it all together, and they'll be fine. Urbs would be competing in the playoffs (not just getting a participation ribbon) by year three if not two.

    Pet Carroll's roster at 'SC was chock full o' southern and eastern kids. Urban Meyer's aOSU teams had plenty of west coast talent on them. When you recruit nationally, regional culture is kind of a moot point. If the west coast kids are so different than the east coast kids, why are these blue bloods in the east and south gobbling up west coast talent?

    All of these perceived challenges and pitfalls of being a coach in LA only exist when you're a shitty coach in LA. Win games, and everybody is stoked and looks the other way when it comes to getting the needful done.

    TL;DR: If Urban Meyer really wants to get back into coaching, wants the USC job, and the USC AD isn't fs enough to not hire him, then...

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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,262
    1to392831weretaken said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Agreed.

    I'll say this too: Ohio State and USC are NOTHING alike. Very different jerbs. They share little in common other than a winning tradition and ability to recruit well. But the people behind the curtain and the prevailing cultures are super different. Urbs' intensity fits well in Columbus, where football is a religion. There are other soft skills you need to navigate your way around the largest population center on the west coast, and west coast kids are different than eastern kids. The differences are not as pronounced as when comparing southern football factories like Bamers to laid back west coast Pac 12, but it's along those lines.
    Disagree. College football is college football, and the recipe works no matter where you are (adjusting for altitude, of course): Have access to a deep and wide talent pool, pay well enough to acquire the services of a lot/the best of them, be good with Xs and Os.

    USC has had institutional problems lately, with a run of absolutely terrible AD hires, but there will be a new AD. They have a huge fan base when the team is winning. They have the tradition and pull to recruit nationwide, thus mitigating perceived "culture" issues. They just need a coach who's both dirty/ruthless and good enough to put it all together, and they'll be fine. Urbs would be competing in the playoffs (not just getting a participation ribbon) by year three if not two.

    Pet Carroll's roster at 'SC was chock full o' southern and eastern kids. Urban Meyer's aOSU teams had plenty of west coast talent on them. When you recruit nationally, regional culture is kind of a moot point. If the west coast kids are so different than the east coast kids, why are these blue bloods in the east and south gobbling up west coast talent?

    All of these perceived challenges and pitfalls of being a coach in LA only exist when you're a shitty coach in LA. Win games, and everybody is stoked and looks the other way when it comes to getting the needful done.

    TL;DR: If Urban Meyer really wants to get back into coaching, wants the USC job, and the USC AD isn't fs enough to not hire him, then...

    That's probably right. Unless Urbs just takes the job to relax in LA and shows up a shell of his former self. I'm holding out for that.
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  • 1to392831weretaken1to392831weretaken Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,631 Swaye's Wigwam
    creepycoug said:

    1to392831weretaken said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Agreed.

    I'll say this too: Ohio State and USC are NOTHING alike. Very different jerbs. They share little in common other than a winning tradition and ability to recruit well. But the people behind the curtain and the prevailing cultures are super different. Urbs' intensity fits well in Columbus, where football is a religion. There are other soft skills you need to navigate your way around the largest population center on the west coast, and west coast kids are different than eastern kids. The differences are not as pronounced as when comparing southern football factories like Bamers to laid back west coast Pac 12, but it's along those lines.
    Disagree. College football is college football, and the recipe works no matter where you are (adjusting for altitude, of course): Have access to a deep and wide talent pool, pay well enough to acquire the services of a lot/the best of them, be good with Xs and Os.

    USC has had institutional problems lately, with a run of absolutely terrible AD hires, but there will be a new AD. They have a huge fan base when the team is winning. They have the tradition and pull to recruit nationwide, thus mitigating perceived "culture" issues. They just need a coach who's both dirty/ruthless and good enough to put it all together, and they'll be fine. Urbs would be competing in the playoffs (not just getting a participation ribbon) by year three if not two.

    Pet Carroll's roster at 'SC was chock full o' southern and eastern kids. Urban Meyer's aOSU teams had plenty of west coast talent on them. When you recruit nationally, regional culture is kind of a moot point. If the west coast kids are so different than the east coast kids, why are these blue bloods in the east and south gobbling up west coast talent?

    All of these perceived challenges and pitfalls of being a coach in LA only exist when you're a shitty coach in LA. Win games, and everybody is stoked and looks the other way when it comes to getting the needful done.

    TL;DR: If Urban Meyer really wants to get back into coaching, wants the USC job, and the USC AD isn't fs enough to not hire him, then...

    That's probably right. Unless Urbs just takes the job to relax in LA and shows up a shell of his former self. I'm holding out for that.
    If he wanted to relax in LA, he'd just keep doing what he's doing now. Being even a shitty college football coach is an all day job. For the record, I'm hoping he just doesn't want to coach at all, because it's not going to be pretty if he does. He has the, uh, "character" to be able to take that USC booster base and tradition and run with it.
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  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,262
    1to392831weretaken said:

    creepycoug said:

    1to392831weretaken said:

    creepycoug said:

    RaceBannon said:

    I could make the case that since 1960 UW is Michigan. Maybe 1975

    I know that we? as fans tend to over rate our DAWGS but no program in America is as over rated as Michigan

    Agreed.

    I'll say this too: Ohio State and USC are NOTHING alike. Very different jerbs. They share little in common other than a winning tradition and ability to recruit well. But the people behind the curtain and the prevailing cultures are super different. Urbs' intensity fits well in Columbus, where football is a religion. There are other soft skills you need to navigate your way around the largest population center on the west coast, and west coast kids are different than eastern kids. The differences are not as pronounced as when comparing southern football factories like Bamers to laid back west coast Pac 12, but it's along those lines.
    Disagree. College football is college football, and the recipe works no matter where you are (adjusting for altitude, of course): Have access to a deep and wide talent pool, pay well enough to acquire the services of a lot/the best of them, be good with Xs and Os.

    USC has had institutional problems lately, with a run of absolutely terrible AD hires, but there will be a new AD. They have a huge fan base when the team is winning. They have the tradition and pull to recruit nationwide, thus mitigating perceived "culture" issues. They just need a coach who's both dirty/ruthless and good enough to put it all together, and they'll be fine. Urbs would be competing in the playoffs (not just getting a participation ribbon) by year three if not two.

    Pet Carroll's roster at 'SC was chock full o' southern and eastern kids. Urban Meyer's aOSU teams had plenty of west coast talent on them. When you recruit nationally, regional culture is kind of a moot point. If the west coast kids are so different than the east coast kids, why are these blue bloods in the east and south gobbling up west coast talent?

    All of these perceived challenges and pitfalls of being a coach in LA only exist when you're a shitty coach in LA. Win games, and everybody is stoked and looks the other way when it comes to getting the needful done.

    TL;DR: If Urban Meyer really wants to get back into coaching, wants the USC job, and the USC AD isn't fs enough to not hire him, then...

    That's probably right. Unless Urbs just takes the job to relax in LA and shows up a shell of his former self. I'm holding out for that.
    If he wanted to relax in LA, he'd just keep doing what he's doing now. Being even a shitty college football coach is an all day job. For the record, I'm hoping he just doesn't want to coach at all, because it's not going to be pretty if he does. He has the, uh, "character" to be able to take that USC booster base and tradition and run with it.
    I hear you. But some coaches take jobs for various reasons at a time in their lives when deep down inside they are really 'over it'. Jimmy Johnson with the Dolphins was a good example. He was burnt out. Like Urbs, Jimmy was a fucking intense coach and knew he was shaving years off of his life expectancy by doing it. When he took over the Dolphins it was in part out of pressure to do it. Since he likes it down there and it's close to his house in the Keys, he took the job but his heart was never really in it. So, the hard aspects of the job, (e.g., managing Dan Marino, who was washed up and public opinion) were too much for him and he just resigned because he didn't want to deal with the bullshit anymore, and he didn't have to.

    I could see that happening to Meyer. He take a job because it's intriguing and because everyone says he should and in the case of USC it sounds like a great gig, good location, etc. So impulsively he signs on the dotted line. But is he the same coach? Is the as hungry as he was at Florida? Let's face it, he won his title at Ohio State but it's a bitch to keep things going. This controversy happens and he just resigns. Doesn't fight it at all. Just rolls out. That tells me something. He left Florida, too, for a reason. I think he gets burnt out because it's hard to be that intense, and you can only do it for so long.

    I actually could see him taking a gig and 1/2 ass'ing it and bolting the second he runs into any shit. I really can. He's no spring chicken and he's had his problems.
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  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,885
    Urbs is going Boomer when Riley goes NFL.
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