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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,326 Standard Supporter
    “[Housing First] is a dogmatic philosophy,” said Bales. “I’ve lost friends. One of my closest friends is attacking me for pushing for housing that costs $11,000 instead of $527,000 per person. He can’t get that we can't provide a $527,000 to $700,000 apartment for each person on the street. I’ve been in planning meetings where people said, ‘Everybody deserves a granite countertop,’ but that isn’t going to work for 44,000 people.”

    Well, the crony capitalist developers are happy to build $527,000 condos for the mentally ill and meth and opoid addicts as a solution that makes leftards feel good about providing housing for the homeless. What do you think a $527,000 condo would go for after a meth addict lived in it for a year - and surrounded by other meth addict and crazy ass neighbors? You could pile the money up in a bundle and burn it as heating source and accomplish the same thing.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    Today, many of California’s leading homelessness advocates insist that the current crisis is due mostly to the housing shortage.

    Homelessness experts and advocates disagree. “I’ve rarely seen a normal able-bodied able-minded non-drug-using homeless person who’s just down on their luck,” L.A. street doctor Susan Partovi told me. “Of the thousands of people I’ve worked with over 16 years, it’s like one or two people a year. And they’re the easiest to deal with.” Rev. Bales agrees. “One hundred percent of the people on the streets are mentally impacted, on drugs, or both,” he said.

    Most of the time what people mean by the homelessness problem is really a drug problem and a mental illness problem. ”The problem is we don’t know if you’re psychotic or just on meth,” said Dr. Partovi. “And giving it up is very difficult. I worked in the local jail, and half of the inmates in the women’s jail were Latinas in their 20s, and all were in there for something related to meth.”


    We can't even be honest about the reasons why we're seeing an increase in homelessness.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    The people who work directly with the homeless say things worsened after California abandoned the “carrot and stick” approach toward treating the severely mentally ill and drug addicts who are repeat offenders. “The ACLU will come after me if I say the mentally ill need to be taken off the street,” said Dr. Partovi, “so let me be clear that they need to be taken care of, too.”

    Bales says things worsened ten years ago when L.A. and other California cities rejected drug recovery (treatment) as a condition of housing. “When the ‘Housing First’ with a harm reduction model people came in they said ‘Recovery doesn’t work,’” said Bales. “But it was after that when homelessness exploded exponentially.”

    Bales says people have little incentive to do treatment when there is no threat of jail time. “[The Housing First harm reduction advocates] talked about new services, but they were all voluntary.” Things went further in this direction with the passage of Proposition 47 in 2016, which decriminalized hard drugs and released nonviolent offenders from prison without providing after-care support. “Our guests went from 12 - 17% addicted to 50% or higher,” Bales says. “Policymakers need to understand that if you allow the use, you also allow the sales, and if you allow the sales, then you allow the big guys to break your legs when you owe them money,” says Bales.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,326 Standard Supporter
    Leftards once again dealing in a world where the sky isn't blue and feelings replace facts. It's almost like they don't really care.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,860 Founders Club
    I almost became homeless in 2014 and it had nothing to do with luck or meth. Just a decade long mid life crisis and poor decisions

    As I am pulling myself back up I often had to put more in the gas column to get to work which was vital for the comeback and less in the grocery column that week. Hence my implacable hatred of climate change mother fuckers who are hurting the poor every day.

    Rents are high and buying a house is high because of excessive regulation which does hurt the non meth addicted working poor family. Be proud all you scared little bitches with your green fantasies

    I'm back and I am going to fight you to the ends of time. From hell's heart I stab at thee
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,326 Standard Supporter
    Well, what Cali definitely needs is more illegal aliens and chain migration. Cali has 1/8 of the US population and 1/3 of the welfare cases. But banning plastic straws and sky high gas and utility bills along with unaffordable housing is clearly the solution.
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,491 Founders Club
    If I like my typhus, can I keep it?
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    Today, many of California’s leading homelessness advocates insist that the current crisis is due mostly to the housing shortage.

    Homelessness experts and advocates disagree. “I’ve rarely seen a normal able-bodied able-minded non-drug-using homeless person who’s just down on their luck,” L.A. street doctor Susan Partovi told me. “Of the thousands of people I’ve worked with over 16 years, it’s like one or two people a year. And they’re the easiest to deal with.” Rev. Bales agrees. “One hundred percent of the people on the streets are mentally impacted, on drugs, or both,” he said.

    Most of the time what people mean by the homelessness problem is really a drug problem and a mental illness problem. ”The problem is we don’t know if you’re psychotic or just on meth,” said Dr. Partovi. “And giving it up is very difficult. I worked in the local jail, and half of the inmates in the women’s jail were Latinas in their 20s, and all were in there for something related to meth.”


    We can't even be honest about the reasons why we're seeing an increase in homelessness.

    We should ban drugs.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    If you give the loons on the street houses they will look like the tents in 6 months. Seen it.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    edited September 2019
    No druggies in Kali prisons dems emptied them several years ago. That's why the problem grew so large.Same with the Linda. Need money for illegals they're more important to dems than citizens. Need those votes to survive.
  • GDSGDS Member Posts: 1,470

    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.

    This is false. While rates of addiction and mental illness are certainly higher in the homeless population a vast majority of homeless people do not have an addiction or mental health issue. The ones that do are the ones you see though. You don't tend to see the family sleeping in their van in the Home Depot parking lot but everyone sees the meth addict screaming at the lamppost and shitting on the sidewalk.
  • GwadGwad Member Posts: 2,855

    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.

    Blast them with psychedelic therapy in the prisons!!!!
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    GDS said:

    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.

    This is false. While rates of addiction and mental illness are certainly higher in the homeless population a vast majority of homeless people do not have an addiction or mental health issue. The ones that do are the ones you see though. You don't tend to see the family sleeping in their van in the Home Depot parking lot but everyone sees the meth addict screaming at the lamppost and shitting on the sidewalk.
    Ok, I’m all for helping those people. But I’m not ok with letting the addicts run wild on my streets.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213

    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.

    The belief that there are a large number of non-violent marijuana offenders locked up in prison. especially in California is a myth.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,213
    GDS said:

    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.

    This is false. While rates of addiction and mental illness are certainly higher in the homeless population a vast majority of homeless people do not have an addiction or mental health issue. The ones that do are the ones you see though. You don't tend to see the family sleeping in their van in the Home Depot parking lot but everyone sees the meth addict screaming at the lamppost and shitting on the sidewalk.
    Another bullshit claim from Scotty that he'll run and hide like a Kunt from when asked for a link.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    SFGbob said:

    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.

    The belief that there are a large number of non-violent marijuana offenders locked up in prison. especially in California is a myth.
    Well I live in Washington, but regardless, those people should be free.

    And those others should get locked up.

    Where my law and order conservatives at???
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,860 Founders Club

    SFGbob said:

    The homeless problem is 100% a drug and mental illness problem. For every heart breaking story about a single mom that was laid off and fled her abusive husband with nothing but the clothes in her back, there are 1000s are heroin addicts stealing shit and attacking people for their next high. The first deserves help, and tends to get it. The latter is a blight that everyone wants to pretend is something it isn’t.

    My solution (note: not a call for genocide)...

    Let non-violent marijuana offenders out of prison and lock these fucking junkies up instead. Provide treatment and a path to re-entry into society for those that want it. Keep the rest away from the civilized population.

    The belief that there are a large number of non-violent marijuana offenders locked up in prison. especially in California is a myth.
    Well I live in Washington, but regardless, those people should be free.

    And those others should get locked up.

    Where my law and order conservatives at???
    You like to label people

    You like to do that
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