Jimmy caught 10 in his last season with Seattle when he supposedly sucked and was on the downswing. Dissly has 8 in his career.
Have fun making Dissly a thing. Wake me up when he becomes the franchise leader in receptions, yards or TDs for a tight end. Right now Jimmy has all three for the team Dissly plays for. And he did it In 3 years.
It was never really about Graham. The Fire Marshall posted that Dissly is already better than Graham. He is. We don’t give a fuck what Graham did for the Saints.
You’re a huge doog who got butthurt about me saying Graham sucked as a Seahawk, it was a shitty trade, and he’s a huge pussy.
Uhh, the whole fucking thread was about Graham. Quit being a back-tracking pussy.
Jimmy caught 10 in his last season with Seattle when he supposedly sucked and was on the downswing. Dissly has 8 in his career.
Have fun making Dissly a thing. Wake me up when he becomes the franchise leader in receptions, yards or TDs for a tight end. Right now Jimmy has all three for the team Dissly plays for. And he did it In 3 years.
It was never really about Graham. The Fire Marshall posted that Dissly is already better than Graham. He is. We don’t give a fuck what Graham did for the Saints.
You’re a huge doog who got butthurt about me saying Graham sucked as a Seahawk, it was a shitty trade, and he’s a huge pussy.
Uhh, the whole fucking thread was about Graham. Quit being a back-tracking pussy.
There was one comment about Graham and then I called him a pussy and said it was a shitty trade which it was.
You’re such a hurricoon tho that any criticism of a Miami player gets you triggered. Nobody here would go crazy if you said Peters gave up too many big plays and was a nutcase.
Jimmy caught 10 in his last season with Seattle when he supposedly sucked and was on the downswing. Dissly has 8 in his career.
Have fun making Dissly a thing. Wake me up when he becomes the franchise leader in receptions, yards or TDs for a tight end. Right now Jimmy has all three for the team Dissly plays for. And he did it In 3 years.
It was never really about Graham. The Fire Marshall posted that Dissly is already better than Graham. He is. We don’t give a fuck what Graham did for the Saints.
You’re a huge doog who got butthurt about me saying Graham sucked as a Seahawk, it was a shitty trade, and he’s a huge pussy.
Uhh, the whole fucking thread was about Graham. Quit being a back-tracking pussy.
There was one comment about Graham and then I called him a pussy and said it was a shitty trade which it was.
You’re such a hurricoon tho that any criticism of a Miami player gets you triggered. Nobody here would go crazy if you said Peters gave up too many big plays and was a nutcase.
Bullshit. There are plenty of Hurricanes I dislike. Typically, I dislike the ones who didn't do shit in college then somehow became great in the NFL. Paycheck players. Calais Campbell comes to mind. You could also say that about Graham too, except that he didn't really know how to play football at Miami because he defected from the basketball team late in his eligibility. I hate Warren Sapp because he's such a fucking dickhead; and unlike most meat heads, he's not a stupid person, which makes his act and routine even harder to forgive. Great player, but you'll seldom see me defend him for anything.
"Graham sucked here" is stupid. The team might have given up too much to get him, the mix of egos on the team might have been such that he wasn't a good fit, etc. etc., but that's a different issue. He was productive here despite suffering his worst career injury in the process. He did something right despite the head scratching fact that the Seahawk offense didn't target him all that much for the first part of his tenure here. Think about that for a minute: he wasn't being used the way you expect to use a generational pass catching TE, and he ruptured his patellar tendon, and all in all only played here for three short seasons. And, despite all that, he still produced like a mother fucker. As for personality, Bennett was an idiot who liked to say a outlandish shit for attention (much like Warren Sapp), and he said those things when Graham played for NO. My recollection of the facts are that the organization liked him quite a bit, and he had good relationships on the team. Trying to paint him out like some Golden Tate figure is straight up bullshit. Most importantly, he had a good relationship with Wilson (QB), and he and Luke Wilson, who was beloved around here during his first go round, were reportedly very good friends.
Out of the league in under 5 years. Nobody will remember him.
Relax doogie houser.
Dissly our in 5 years? You don’t actually believe that right?
Maybe 6. He's a lunch pale guy. NOWFC
He is one of the best blocking TEs in the NFL already and is proving to be one of the better receiving ones too. Come on man.
Come one where? What do you want me to say? That that he's been surprisingly good? He's been surprisingly good.
I'm not ready to say he'll be in Canton just yet.
I know Washington had a long dry run of sending impact players to the NFL and therefore understand the enthusiasm. My comments about Dissly are in response to comments about Graham "sucking", which is patently stupid.
I assume you read the whole thread and don't just focus on my posts.
Context. It matters.
I am not trying to argue about Dissly vs. Graham, to say Dissly is 5/6 years in the league and out is absurd unless you want to argue that he is going to have some serious career ending injury. He has been a stud so far and is in a great system for his talent. He will be in the league for a long time as long as he stays healthy. I haven't seen anyone call him a HOF tight end, just that he is one of the better ones in the league at this moment, and he is.
Want my opinion on Graham? He was really good in NO and so-so in SEA. I do think he was soft in SEA though and wasn't a great fit. He did catch a lot of TDs and had a pretty good year here, but at the same time that good year he had the Seahawks overall regressed because Bevell tried to force the ball down his throat the entire time. His final 10 TD year Hawks didn't make the playoffs, first time in a long while. He was SHIT at blocking, this isn't even a debate. In Seattle's system the TE has to be able to block well, which is part of the problem was he just wasn't a great fit. He was really good in NO because they made him a receiver pretty much and utilized his skills well.
Out of the league in under 5 years. Nobody will remember him.
Relax doogie houser.
Dissly our in 5 years? You don’t actually believe that right?
Maybe 6. He's a lunch pale guy. NOWFC
He is one of the best blocking TEs in the NFL already and is proving to be one of the better receiving ones too. Come on man.
Come one where? What do you want me to say? That that he's been surprisingly good? He's been surprisingly good.
I'm not ready to say he'll be in Canton just yet.
I know Washington had a long dry run of sending impact players to the NFL and therefore understand the enthusiasm. My comments about Dissly are in response to comments about Graham "sucking", which is patently stupid.
I assume you read the whole thread and don't just focus on my posts.
Context. It matters.
I am not trying to argue about Dissly vs. Graham, to say Dissly is 5/6 years in the league and out is absurd unless you want to argue that he is going to have some serious career ending injury. He has been a stud so far and is in a great system for his talent. He will be in the league for a long time as long as he stays healthy. I haven't seen anyone call him a HOF tight end, just that he is one of the better ones in the league at this moment, and he is.
Want my opinion on Graham? He was really good in NO and so-so in SEA. I do think he was soft in SEA though and wasn't a great fit. He did catch a lot of TDs and had a pretty good year here, but at the same time that good year he had the Seahawks overall regressed because Bevell tried to force the ball down his throat the entire time. His final 10 TD year Hawks didn't make the playoffs, first time in a long while. He was SHIT at blocking, this isn't even a debate. In Seattle's system the TE has to be able to block well, which is part of the problem was he just wasn't a great fit. He was really good in NO because they made him a receiver pretty much and utilized his skills well.
I have no idea how long Dissly will be in the league. Nobody does.
He was generational in New Orleans because they knew how to use him. He set the pass-catching bar for TEs in Seattle even though a lot went wrong here (none of which was his fault) during his three years - again, injury and they didn't know WTF they were doing with him in the beginning. If that's so-so, then you have really high standards. You and others have cited a lot of things that have nothing to do with Graham himself. He was brought here to do what he does, and he did it. The offensive scheme, what they gave up to get him, etc. etc. is noise about team strategy.
He's not a blocking TE. Mark Bruener wasn't a pass-catching TE. We wouldn't say he sucked even though his numbers are below pedestrian for his career. In some offenses that matters; in others it doesn't. But I'll say this about that: there are a million ham & eggers out there who can seal block. There are not many people Graham's size who are as athletically gifted as he is.
Jimmy caught 10 in his last season with Seattle when he supposedly sucked and was on the downswing. Dissly has 8 in his career.
Have fun making Dissly a thing. Wake me up when he becomes the franchise leader in receptions, yards or TDs for a tight end. Right now Jimmy has all three for the team Dissly plays for. And he did it In 3 years.
It was never really about Graham. The Fire Marshall posted that Dissly is already better than Graham. He is. We don’t give a fuck what Graham did for the Saints.
You’re a huge doog who got butthurt about me saying Graham sucked as a Seahawk, it was a shitty trade, and he’s a huge pussy.
Uhh, the whole fucking thread was about Graham. Quit being a back-tracking pussy.
There was one comment about Graham and then I called him a pussy and said it was a shitty trade which it was.
You’re such a hurricoon tho that any criticism of a Miami player gets you triggered. Nobody here would go crazy if you said Peters gave up too many big plays and was a nutcase.
Bullshit. There are plenty of Hurricanes I dislike. Typically, I dislike the ones who didn't do shit in college then somehow became great in the NFL. Paycheck players. Calais Campbell comes to mind. You could also say that about Graham too, except that he didn't really know how to play football at Miami because he defected from the basketball team late in his eligibility. I hate Warren Sapp because he's such a fucking dickhead; and unlike most meat heads, he's not a stupid person, which makes his act and routine even harder to forgive. Great player, but you'll seldom see me defend him for anything.
"Graham sucked here" is stupid. The team might have given up too much to get him, the mix of egos on the team might have been such that he wasn't a good fit, etc. etc., but that's a different issue. He was productive here despite suffering his worst career injury in the process. He did something right despite the head scratching fact that the Seahawk offense didn't target him all that much for the first part of his tenure here. Think about that for a minute: he wasn't being used the way you expect to use a generational pass catching TE, and he ruptured his patellar tendon, and all in all only played here for three short seasons. And, despite all that, he still produced like a mother fucker. As for personality, Bennett was an idiot who liked to say a outlandish shit for attention (much like Warren Sapp), and he said those things when Graham played for NO. My recollection of the facts are that the organization liked him quite a bit, and he had good relationships on the team. Trying to paint him out like some Golden Tate figure is straight up bullshit. Most importantly, he had a good relationship with Wilson (QB), and he and Luke Wilson, who was beloved around here during his first go round, were reportedly very good friends.
I also wouldn't count him out at GB either.
This is retarded Creep. Don’t paint him out to be Golden Tate? Golden Tate won a Super Bowl and popped off. Did you mean Percy Harvin? Percy Harvin also popped off and returned a kick for a TD in the Super Bowl. We went to the Super Bowl back to back the two years before Graham.
The comment about Luke Willson is embarrassing. Great, a back up TE liked Jimmy Graham as a person. We won no Super Bowls. We gave up a lot to get him, he had a big contract, he didn’t play especially well, our run game drastically declined with him on the roster, and and we won absolutely nothing. All of those things aren’t entirely his fault, but
I know he was seen as a top weapon to put the Seahawks offense over the top. That wasn’t the reality. That’s why we gave up a Pro Bowl C and a first round pick.
This isn’t hard. Graham was a disappointment and a failed transaction. We are much better off with Dissly at this point. Fuck off.
Jimmy caught 10 in his last season with Seattle when he supposedly sucked and was on the downswing. Dissly has 8 in his career.
Have fun making Dissly a thing. Wake me up when he becomes the franchise leader in receptions, yards or TDs for a tight end. Right now Jimmy has all three for the team Dissly plays for. And he did it In 3 years.
It was never really about Graham. The Fire Marshall posted that Dissly is already better than Graham. He is. We don’t give a fuck what Graham did for the Saints.
You’re a huge doog who got butthurt about me saying Graham sucked as a Seahawk, it was a shitty trade, and he’s a huge pussy.
Uhh, the whole fucking thread was about Graham. Quit being a back-tracking pussy.
There was one comment about Graham and then I called him a pussy and said it was a shitty trade which it was.
You’re such a hurricoon tho that any criticism of a Miami player gets you triggered. Nobody here would go crazy if you said Peters gave up too many big plays and was a nutcase.
Bullshit. There are plenty of Hurricanes I dislike. Typically, I dislike the ones who didn't do shit in college then somehow became great in the NFL. Paycheck players. Calais Campbell comes to mind. You could also say that about Graham too, except that he didn't really know how to play football at Miami because he defected from the basketball team late in his eligibility. I hate Warren Sapp because he's such a fucking dickhead; and unlike most meat heads, he's not a stupid person, which makes his act and routine even harder to forgive. Great player, but you'll seldom see me defend him for anything.
"Graham sucked here" is stupid. The team might have given up too much to get him, the mix of egos on the team might have been such that he wasn't a good fit, etc. etc., but that's a different issue. He was productive here despite suffering his worst career injury in the process. He did something right despite the head scratching fact that the Seahawk offense didn't target him all that much for the first part of his tenure here. Think about that for a minute: he wasn't being used the way you expect to use a generational pass catching TE, and he ruptured his patellar tendon, and all in all only played here for three short seasons. And, despite all that, he still produced like a mother fucker. As for personality, Bennett was an idiot who liked to say a outlandish shit for attention (much like Warren Sapp), and he said those things when Graham played for NO. My recollection of the facts are that the organization liked him quite a bit, and he had good relationships on the team. Trying to paint him out like some Golden Tate figure is straight up bullshit. Most importantly, he had a good relationship with Wilson (QB), and he and Luke Wilson, who was beloved around here during his first go round, were reportedly very good friends.
I also wouldn't count him out at GB either.
This is retarded Creep. Don’t paint him out to be Golden Tate? Golden Tate won a Super Bowl and popped off. Did you mean Percy Harvin? Percy Harvin also popped off and returned a kick for a TD in the Super Bowl. We went to the Super Bowl back to back the two years before Graham.
The comment about Luke Willson is embarrassing. Great, a back up TE liked Jimmy Graham as a person. We won no Super Bowls. We gave up a lot to get him, he had a big contract, he didn’t play especially well, our run game drastically declined with him on the roster, and and we won absolutely nothing. All of those things aren’t entirely his fault, but
I know he was seen as a top weapon to put the Seahawks offense over the top. That wasn’t the reality. That’s why we gave up a Pro Bowl C and a first round pick.
This isn’t hard. Graham was a disappointment and a failed transaction. We are much better off with Dissly at this point. Fuck off.
This is just dumb. You actually cite a guy who made one play in one game. Can you say circumstantial? Had Seattle been in a Super Bowl you don't think Graham could have made the deciding play? Your logic is terrible dude.
A lot else went wrong in Seattle during those seasons. He did his part. Saying he sucked is fucking retarded for the reasons ive laid out for you 20 times. Have yet to hear a rebuttal.
This Harvin argument is like saying Dilfer was a better QB than Marino because he won a super Bowl. Nobody thinks that.
The point about Tate flew over your head. Tate was a locker room cancer and divided the team. Toward the end he had few friends and the entire organization wanted him gone. Any attempt to make Graham out like that guy is fake news. That was the point.
His production numbers prove he was a top weapon. You have to be Grandpa Sankey to not see it. Just ignore reality if that's what you gotta do. I've already told you 20 X that the transaction analysis is a different matter than Graham's performance.
Its like having Sean Peyton and Drew Brees is different from Pete and Schotenheimer
Wilson could throw 40 times a game too but he isn't allowed to
Sure. So that's on Pete and company for bringing in a pass catching TE and expecting him to become a world class blockignTE.
That doesn't mean Graham sucked. He brought what he brings to Seattle. The numbers are there to see. If they'd built the offense around him he'd have done even more.
Sounds like it was a bad strategy move. People get paid to make those moves. Sounds like those people made the wrong move.
There's a lot of logical space between that and Jimmy sucked here.
Creep lives further in the past than any of us DAWGS.
Graham was an excellent receiver in his prime. He was never a blocker, and was not an actual tight end other than his height/weight.
Dissly actually blocks, and can apparently catch the ball, too. Leads TE's in td's so far this year, and is 7th in receptions and yards playing for a team that runs as much as it passes. He'll be around for another 10 years barring any kind of catastrophic injury beyond the patella tendon that he already hurt.
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Uhh, the whole fucking thread was about Graham. Quit being a back-tracking pussy.
You’re such a hurricoon tho that any criticism of a Miami player gets you triggered. Nobody here would go crazy if you said Peters gave up too many big plays and was a nutcase.
"Graham sucked here" is stupid. The team might have given up too much to get him, the mix of egos on the team might have been such that he wasn't a good fit, etc. etc., but that's a different issue. He was productive here despite suffering his worst career injury in the process. He did something right despite the head scratching fact that the Seahawk offense didn't target him all that much for the first part of his tenure here. Think about that for a minute: he wasn't being used the way you expect to use a generational pass catching TE, and he ruptured his patellar tendon, and all in all only played here for three short seasons. And, despite all that, he still produced like a mother fucker. As for personality, Bennett was an idiot who liked to say a outlandish shit for attention (much like Warren Sapp), and he said those things when Graham played for NO. My recollection of the facts are that the organization liked him quite a bit, and he had good relationships on the team. Trying to paint him out like some Golden Tate figure is straight up bullshit. Most importantly, he had a good relationship with Wilson (QB), and he and Luke Wilson, who was beloved around here during his first go round, were reportedly very good friends.
I also wouldn't count him out at GB either.
Want my opinion on Graham? He was really good in NO and so-so in SEA. I do think he was soft in SEA though and wasn't a great fit. He did catch a lot of TDs and had a pretty good year here, but at the same time that good year he had the Seahawks overall regressed because Bevell tried to force the ball down his throat the entire time. His final 10 TD year Hawks didn't make the playoffs, first time in a long while. He was SHIT at blocking, this isn't even a debate. In Seattle's system the TE has to be able to block well, which is part of the problem was he just wasn't a great fit. He was really good in NO because they made him a receiver pretty much and utilized his skills well.
Wilson could throw 40 times a game too but he isn't allowed to
He was generational in New Orleans because they knew how to use him. He set the pass-catching bar for TEs in Seattle even though a lot went wrong here (none of which was his fault) during his three years - again, injury and they didn't know WTF they were doing with him in the beginning. If that's so-so, then you have really high standards. You and others have cited a lot of things that have nothing to do with Graham himself. He was brought here to do what he does, and he did it. The offensive scheme, what they gave up to get him, etc. etc. is noise about team strategy.
He's not a blocking TE. Mark Bruener wasn't a pass-catching TE. We wouldn't say he sucked even though his numbers are below pedestrian for his career. In some offenses that matters; in others it doesn't. But I'll say this about that: there are a million ham & eggers out there who can seal block. There are not many people Graham's size who are as athletically gifted as he is.
The comment about Luke Willson is embarrassing. Great, a back up TE liked Jimmy Graham as a person. We won no Super Bowls. We gave up a lot to get him, he had a big contract, he didn’t play especially well, our run game drastically declined with him on the roster, and and we won absolutely nothing. All of those things aren’t entirely his fault, but
I know he was seen as a top weapon to put the Seahawks offense over the top. That wasn’t the reality. That’s why we gave up a Pro Bowl C and a first round pick.
This isn’t hard. Graham was a disappointment and a failed transaction. We are much better off with Dissly at this point. Fuck off.
A lot else went wrong in Seattle during those seasons. He did his part. Saying he sucked is fucking retarded for the reasons ive laid out for you 20 times. Have yet to hear a rebuttal.
This Harvin argument is like saying Dilfer was a better QB than Marino because he won a super Bowl. Nobody thinks that.
The point about Tate flew over your head. Tate was a locker room cancer and divided the team. Toward the end he had few friends and the entire organization wanted him gone. Any attempt to make Graham out like that guy is fake news. That was the point.
His production numbers prove he was a top weapon. You have to be Grandpa Sankey to not see it. Just ignore reality if that's what you gotta do. I've already told you 20 X that the transaction analysis is a different matter than Graham's performance.
That doesn't mean Graham sucked. He brought what he brings to Seattle. The numbers are there to see. If they'd built the offense around him he'd have done even more.
Sounds like it was a bad strategy move. People get paid to make those moves. Sounds like those people made the wrong move.
There's a lot of logical space between that and Jimmy sucked here.
Graham was an excellent receiver in his prime. He was never a blocker, and was not an actual tight end other than his height/weight.
Dissly actually blocks, and can apparently catch the ball, too. Leads TE's in td's so far this year, and is 7th in receptions and yards playing for a team that runs as much as it passes. He'll be around for another 10 years barring any kind of catastrophic injury beyond the patella tendon that he already hurt.