So. Fucking. Infuriating.

pawz

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-deficit-tops-1-trillion-in-first-11-months-of-fiscal-year-treasury-says-11568311201?mod=hp_lead_pos4


And save the claim that Democrats would do any-fucking-thing different. They all should get fucked.

2001400ex

Looks like the tax cuts have reduced the deficit as promised.

SFGbob

In fact, corporations paid $8 billion more in the 11 months of this fiscal year than they did in the same period of fiscal year 2018. That increase alone is enough to fully fund the Environmental Protection Agency for an entire year.

What’s more, the CBO notes that corporate income tax payments through May were on 2018 activities. When you compare corporate taxes from June through August to same months last year, they are already up $18 billion – a 48% increase!

Meanwhile, individual income and payroll taxes are up $82 billion – a 3% increase over the prior year. Payroll taxes alone, which are a good indication of how well the job market is because they are automatically deducted from every worker’s wages, are up 6.4%.

Now look at the spending side of the equation.

The CBO report shows that while revenues have climbed by $102 billion, spending shot up by $271 billion.

The entire increase in the deficit over last year is due to rampant spending increases, not the Trump tax cuts.

Spending increases were across the board.

Social Security costs climbed 5.7%; Medicare, 6.5%; Medicaid, 4.6%.

PurpleThrobber

When your outflow exceeds your inflow, your upkeep will be your downfall.

RaceBannon

SFGbob said:

In fact, corporations paid $8 billion more in the 11 months of this fiscal year than they did in the same period of fiscal year 2018. That increase alone is enough to fully fund the Environmental Protection Agency for an entire year.

What’s more, the CBO notes that corporate income tax payments through May were on 2018 activities. When you compare corporate taxes from June through August to same months last year, they are already up $18 billion – a 48% increase!

Meanwhile, individual income and payroll taxes are up $82 billion – a 3% increase over the prior year. Payroll taxes alone, which are a good indication of how well the job market is because they are automatically deducted from every worker’s wages, are up 6.4%.

Now look at the spending side of the equation.

The CBO report shows that while revenues have climbed by $102 billion, spending shot up by $271 billion.

The entire increase in the deficit over last year is due to rampant spending increases, not the Trump tax cuts.

Spending increases were across the board.

Social Security costs climbed 5.7%; Medicare, 6.5%; Medicaid, 4.6%.

Hondo fucking stupid and his rage at people keeping more of their money doesn't care about facts

Pathological liars got to lie

GDS

Corporate tax revenue fell off a cliff in 2018 because of the tax cuts. Wasn't it down 100 billion?

2001400ex

GDS said:

Corporate tax revenue fell off a cliff in 2018 because of the tax cuts. Wasn't it down 100 billion?

Bob only cares about that type of common sense analysis when it comes to spending under Obama.

SFGbob

2001400ex said:

GDS said:

Corporate tax revenue fell off a cliff in 2018 because of the tax cuts. Wasn't it down 100 billion?

Bob only cares about that type of common sense analysis when it comes to spending under Obama.

Hondo likes to pull claims out of his ass after he has been exposed as a lying dumbfuck.

pawz

PurpleThrobber said:

When your outflow exceeds your inflow, your upkeep will be your downfall.

Jim Rohn, RIP.

RaceBannon

GDS said:

Corporate tax revenue fell off a cliff in 2018 because of the tax cuts. Wasn't it down 100 billion?

Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan.

Income Taxes After Trump Tax Cuts
True, the first three months of the fiscal year were before the tax cuts kicked in. But if you limit the accounting to this calendar year, individual income tax revenues are up by 5% through September.

Other major sources of revenue climbed as well, as the overall economy revived. FICA tax collections rose by more than 3%. Excise taxes jumped 13%.

The only category that was down? Corporate income taxes, which dropped by 31%.



Yes corporate tax revenue was down. Revenues overall were at a record.

Corporate tax cuts have fueled the individual growth.

Kind of odd for a guy who cries all the time about tariffs being a tax caring if taxes got cut

It all worked together

And spending climbed faster

Its not a revenue problem

pawz

2001400ex said:

Looks like the tax cuts have reduced the deficit as promised.

Not surprising, the fake accountant doesn't know the difference between revenues and spending.


Go flip my burger, bitch.

RaceBannon

Our corporate client spent over a billion on capital projects in 2019. Got my share

Trump gets my vote

You guys want higher taxes and to pay more for energy vote for the Democrats. They need you

Lying to people who know how much more money they kept and made is a poor strategy but the low info types like hondo will be there for you

GDS

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Corporate tax revenue fell off a cliff in 2018 because of the tax cuts. Wasn't it down 100 billion?

Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan.

Income Taxes After Trump Tax Cuts
True, the first three months of the fiscal year were before the tax cuts kicked in. But if you limit the accounting to this calendar year, individual income tax revenues are up by 5% through September.

Other major sources of revenue climbed as well, as the overall economy revived. FICA tax collections rose by more than 3%. Excise taxes jumped 13%.

The only category that was down? Corporate income taxes, which dropped by 31%.



Yes corporate tax revenue was down. Revenues overall were at a record.

Corporate tax cuts have fueled the individual growth.

Kind of odd for a guy who cries all the time about tariffs being a tax caring if taxes got cut

It all worked together

And spending climbed faster

Its not a revenue problem

Tax revenue as a % of GDP dropped substantially in 2018 to 16.4% vs 17.2% in 2017 and 18.0% in 2015. Since 1980 tax revenue has averaged 17.4% of GDP.

While individual income tax receipts have increased in nominal dollars since last fiscal year, this statistic paints a misleading picture in a number of ways. Specifically, it ignores reductions in other sources of revenue, doesn't account for inflation, and relies in part on revenue raised by last year's tax code. Considering the entire tax code and focusing specifically on this tax year shows that total revenue has declined between 4 and 9 percent.

Excluding October through December as well as non-withheld tax payments, individual income tax revenue is essentially unchanged from 2017. Under this scenario, total nominal revenue is down 4.3 percent, real revenues are down 6.4 percent, and revenues as a share of the economy have decreased by 8.8 percent. Revenues from May through July have fallen even more steeply.*

In other words, revenue has dropped substantially post-tax reform.

MikeDamone

RaceBannon said:

Our corporate client spent over a billion on capital projects in 2019. Got my share

Trump gets my vote

You guys want higher taxes and to pay more for energy vote for the Democrats. They need you

Lying to people who know how much more money they kept and made is a poor strategy but the low info types like hondo will be there for you

Cant wait for 2020 when President Warren introduces a wealth tax, raises income and corporate taxes, bans fossil fuel extraction (day 1), cancels student debt and pushes forward on national healthcare and the green new deal. For some reason I think the HondoBros will be silent on the national debt.

RaceBannon

GDS said:

RaceBannon said:

GDS said:

Corporate tax revenue fell off a cliff in 2018 because of the tax cuts. Wasn't it down 100 billion?

Taxes: Critics of the Trump tax cuts said they would blow a hole in the deficit. Yet individual income taxes climbed 6% in the just-ended fiscal year 2018, as the economy grew faster and created more jobs than expected.

The Treasury Department reported this week that individual income tax collections for FY 2018 totaled $1.7 trillion. That's up $14 billion from fiscal 2017, and an all-time high. And that's despite the fact that individual income tax rates got a significant cut this year as part of President Donald Trump's tax reform plan.

Income Taxes After Trump Tax Cuts
True, the first three months of the fiscal year were before the tax cuts kicked in. But if you limit the accounting to this calendar year, individual income tax revenues are up by 5% through September.

Other major sources of revenue climbed as well, as the overall economy revived. FICA tax collections rose by more than 3%. Excise taxes jumped 13%.

The only category that was down? Corporate income taxes, which dropped by 31%.



Yes corporate tax revenue was down. Revenues overall were at a record.

Corporate tax cuts have fueled the individual growth.

Kind of odd for a guy who cries all the time about tariffs being a tax caring if taxes got cut

It all worked together

And spending climbed faster

Its not a revenue problem

Tax revenue as a % of GDP dropped substantially in 2018 to 16.4% vs 17.2% in 2017 and 18.0% in 2015. Since 1980 tax revenue has averaged 17.4% of GDP.

While individual income tax receipts have increased in nominal dollars since last fiscal year, this statistic paints a misleading picture in a number of ways. Specifically, it ignores reductions in other sources of revenue, doesn't account for inflation, and relies in part on revenue raised by last year's tax code. Considering the entire tax code and focusing specifically on this tax year shows that total revenue has declined between 4 and 9 percent.

Excluding October through December as well as non-withheld tax payments, individual income tax revenue is essentially unchanged from 2017. Under this scenario, total nominal revenue is down 4.3 percent, real revenues are down 6.4 percent, and revenues as a share of the economy have decreased by 8.8 percent. Revenues from May through July have fallen even more steeply.*

In other words, revenue has dropped substantially post-tax reform.

JFC

Pathological liar

WestlinnDuck

Dems say they support the middle class and they do – the public sector middle class who votes for them. But the current dem presidential candidates are intent on going after the private sector middle class. Corporate income taxes are a cost of doing business and either result in higher costs to consumers or a loss of sales. Before the Trump corporate tax cut, the US corporate income tax was 35%. The highest tax rate in the first world. Now it’s 21%. The German corporate tax rate is 15% and the Chicoms are nominally at 25%. The only people paying the 25% are those who haven’t bought off the proper chicom communists. High tech is taxed at 15%.
Dems think that taxing the crap out of US corporations is great for the private sector middle class because they have strong feelings about it. The fact that it leads to higher prices for Americans or lost sales to foreign competitors is just a fact and not a feeling and thus can be ignored.
Now the US has very low energy prices which does give it a manufacturing advantage. The dem solution? Raise US energy prices to surpass the Euros. Great for US consumers and manufacturers. This is in spite of the fact that US CO2 production has dropped dramatically while the Chicoms and Euros are increasing CO2 production.
Trump and the republicans spend too much money. Any dem who blames them is a phu*cking hypocrite.

PurpleThrobber

Jesus. The way people talk in this thread, you'd think the goal of government was to increase taxes every fucking year to prove a point.

The goal is to tax as little as possible and spend as little as possible to provide necessary services.


People forget that. And the gold medal game vs. Finland.

HustlinOwl

PurpleThrobber said:

Jesus. The way people talk in this thread, you'd think the goal of government was to increase taxes every fucking year to prove a point.

The goal is to tax as little as possible and spend as little as possible to provide necessary services.


People forget that. And the gold medal game vs. Finland.

When they beat Canada? Why should anybody remember that?

RaceBannon

HustlinOwl said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Jesus. The way people talk in this thread, you'd think the goal of government was to increase taxes every fucking year to prove a point.

The goal is to tax as little as possible and spend as little as possible to provide necessary services.


People forget that. And the gold medal game vs. Finland.

When they beat Canada? Why should anybody remember that?

JFC

DJDuck

2001400ex said:

Looks like the tax cuts have reduced the deficit as promised.

Why Did the Deficit Just Top $1 Trillion? Here’s Another Clue For You All

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/09/12/why-did-the-deficit-just-top-1-trillion-heres-another-clue-for-you-all/

HustlinOwl

DJDuck said:

2001400ex said:

Looks like the tax cuts have reduced the deficit as promised.

Why Did the Deficit Just Top $1 Trillion? Here’s Another Clue For You All

https://issuesinsights.com/2019/09/12/why-did-the-deficit-just-top-1-trillion-heres-another-clue-for-you-all/

And you took offense to a past poster saying if President Trump walked in to your house and raped your daughters you'd be there with a soft warm towel to wash off his privates.