Tl;DR piece on Joe Rogan from The Atlantic

YellowSnow

@DerekJohnson thought you might find this interesting. I debated whether to post in the Tug or me Shoppe, but it seems more pop culture than politics.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/08/my-joe-rogan-experience/594802/

GrundleStiltzkin

I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.

YellowSnow

GrundleStiltzkin said:

I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.

I kind of have a love-hate attitude towards Joe. On the one hand, I think he's a UFC, meathead, douche canoe. But then he gets a lot a great guests on his pod and I like his style of hosting.

UW_Doog_Bot

yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.

I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.

[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]

GrundleStiltzkin

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.

I kind of have a love-hate attitude towards Joe. On the one hand, I think he's a UFC, meathead, douche canoe. But then he gets a lot a great guests on his pod and I like his style of hosting.

I had that preconception too and then started listening to selected pods recently. It's good shit.

That writer's handwringing over Joe was beta as fuck.

YellowSnow

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.

I kind of have a love-hate attitude towards Joe. On the one hand, I think he's a UFC, meathead, douche canoe. But then he gets a lot a great guests on his pod and I like his style of hosting.

I had that preconception too and then started listening to selected pods recently. It's good shit.

That writer's handwringing over Joe was beta as fuck.

Agree. Lot of Beta here. Still and interesting piece though and he does give Joe some respeck.

I think I started to come around to Joe when I listened to his pod with my hero, Sam Harris.

creepycoug

UW_Doog_Bot said:

yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.

I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.

[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]

I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?

YellowSnow

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.

I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.

[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]

I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?

No.

UW_Doog_Bot

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.

I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.

[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]

I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?

It's more the fact that this is the stereotype the author needs to fall back on to justify his feelings about Joe Rogan.

I'd expect he'd use the same stereotype to describe HH were he to visit.

YellowSnow

UW_Doog_Bot said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.

I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.

[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]

I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?

It's more the fact that this is the stereotype the author needs to fall back on to justify his feelings about Joe Rogan.

I'd expect he'd use the same stereotype to describe HH were he to visit.

I fucking love stereotyping @UW_Doog_Bot

Fucking weirdos!!

PurpleThrobber

a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt

Damn fucking straight. The elites hate my schtick.

RaceBannon

I've always been a man of the people

People of all walks of life like me.

But the best thing is when you get old you no longer give a fuck what anyone thinks

FireCohen

RaceBannon said:

I've always been a man of the people

People of all walks of life like me.

But the best thing is when you get old you no longer give a fuck what anyone thinks

Uhh who is the qb under Day dipshit? Fuck Race, u been paying attention?

PurpleThrobber

Joe likes weed, boobies and fighting.....

How can ANY male take umbrage at that?!?

Edit: I forgot the @Dennis_DeYoung s probably don't really give two fucks about boobies - but weed and fighting is still cool, right?

dnc

PurpleThrobber said:

Joe likes weed, boobies and fighting.....

How can ANY male take umbrage at that?!?

Edit: I forgot the @Dennis_DeYoung s probably don't really give two fucks about boobies - but weed and fighting is still cool, right?

Even gay d00ds love b00bs.

PurpleThrobber

dnc said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Joe likes weed, boobies and fighting.....

How can ANY male take umbrage at that?!?

Edit: I forgot the @Dennis_DeYoung s probably don't really give two fucks about boobies - but weed and fighting is still cool, right?

Even gay d00ds love b00bs.

True. I've been to Mardi Gras.

What happens in NOLA stays in NOLA. Except that burning sensation when one pisses.....

creepycoug

RaceBannon said:

I've always been a man of the people

People of all walks of life like me.

But the best thing is when you get old you no longer give a fuck what anyone thinks

This is true.

Swaye

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.

I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.

[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]

I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?

I have a barbed wire tattoo. Around my dick.

dnc

Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

yyyeeeeeesshhh, "I couldn't get an interview or even a comment from this guy so I tried to live like him" this is some vox level reporting.

I think this tells you most of what you need to know about the author.

[The bedrock issue, though, is Rogan’s courting of a middle-bro audience that the cultural elite hold in particular contempt—guys who get barbed-wire tattoos and fill their fridge with Monster energy drinks and preordered their tickets to see Hobbs & Shaw. Joe loves these guys, and his affection has none of the condescension and ironic distance many people fall back on in order to get comfortable with them. He shares their passions and enthusiasms at a moment when the public dialogue has branded them childish or problematic or a slippery slope to Trumpism. Like many of these men, Joe grumbles a lot about “political correctness.” He knows that he is privileged by virtue of his gender and his skin color, but in his heart he is sick of being reminded about it. Like lots of other white men in America, he is grappling with a growing sense that the term white man has become an epithet. And like lots of other men in America, not just the white ones, he’s reckoning out loud with a fear that the word masculinity has become, by definition, toxic.]

I, too, have contempt for men who get barbed wire tatoos, and energy drinks are fs. Do I need to apologize?

I have a barbed wire tattoo. Around my dick.

Hurts so good

DerekJohnson

GrundleStiltzkin said:

I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.

That was exactly how I felt reading this piece. The writer went to great lengths to emphasize and establish his own metrosexualness while grappling with his attempts to comprehend an alien meathead species like Joe Rogan.

YellowSnow

DerekJohnson said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

I felt like I learned less about Rogan than I did about the worldview of self-loathing males.

That was exactly how I felt reading this piece. The writer went to great lengths to emphasize and establish his own metrosexualness while grappling with his attempts to comprehend an alien meathead species like Joe Rogan.

I'd like to think there is a 3rd lane here for non-metros, who also loathe meathead, barbed wire ink, bros. I stand with @creepycoug .