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RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,850 Founders Club
https://foxnews.com/opinion/christian-whiton-chinas-xi-looks-increasingly-dazed-and-confused-could-hong-kong-win-this-showdown


It wasn’t supposed to be like this. When Xi Jinping effectively crowned himself emperor at the 19th Chinese Communist Party Congress in 2017, consolidating his power by ending a practice of term limits, China was supposed to be ready for its next stage of his meteoric rise.

In a triumphal speech, Xi heralded a “new era” of Chinese power and predicted the nation would become a “mighty force” under his control. But as the summer of 2019 drags on, Xi and the government he leads look increasingly weak and lost.

China’s economy is in the doldrums, put there in part by President Trump’s decision to change U.S. tactics dramatically in long-running trade disputes. Last month, the Chinese National Bureau of Statistics reported the slowest economic growth since 1992. China’s manufacturing index has indicated contraction for all but two months so far this year.



In July, imports fell 5.6% compared to a year before, partly due to less demand for inputs to manufacturing that increasingly is moving out of China. (In the first quarter of this year, foreign investors pumped $10.8 billion into neighboring Vietnam, an increase of 86.2 percent.) China has also nationalized three banks since May with more bailouts expected as its overextended financial system faces extreme risk.

A fair assessment of the U.S.-China trade war shows Washington winning the dispute, although not everyone agrees. In his weekly New York Times column titled “China Tries to Teach Trump Economics,” progressive economist Paul Krugman argued that the president, “…vastly overrates his ability to inflict damage on China while underrating the damage China can do in return.”

In fact, Trump has proven that the opposite is true in imposing tariffs—for a simple reason. Last year, America imported $540 billion in goods from China and exported only $120 billion worth. As the far bigger customer in this relationship, the United States has the power. Even if Beijing stopped all $120 billion in U.S. imports, that amounts to only about half of one percent of U.S. GDP. The impact of tariffs on U.S. consumers has also been negligible. As the former CEO of Toys R Us recently explained, tariffs are “a fraction of a percent…on the average annual consumer basket.”

And then there is Hong Kong. Beijing has gradually been eroding the relative autonomy it promised in repossessing the territory from Britain in 1997, as well as its agreement to allow free elections with universal suffrage. Given its congenital unwillingness to leave well enough alone, Beijing attempted to have its puppets in the territory allow extradition to the Mainland—effectively importing its political repression into a city that has long been effectively part of the West.

The result has been stunning. Massive demonstrations have continued throughout summer, most recently closing the airport. This in a city that supposedly cared singularly about money and where it was long said that only a tiny minority would do more than lament the erosion of freedom. Evidently not.


Worst of all for Beijing, while students and the young are the most active protesters, they are joined by Hong Kong residents from all walks of life—civil servants, bankers, flight attendants, teachers, and the like. The real crisis that events in Hong Kong pose is the question of whether Mainlanders are also poised to challenge the government.

Xi likely believes he can blow past demonstrations in Hong Kong as Beijing did amid smaller protests in 2014. But that doesn’t seem to be the case: average Hong Kong residents have decided that they must defend freedom now.
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  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,791 Swaye's Wigwam
    There's multiple things going on in the behind the scenes power games of the CCP. There's rumors that extradition was also an attempt to capture a lot of former leader and still CCP faction leader Jiang Zemin's supporters with corruption charges. He and many other former CCP members who supported him made fortunes in/through connections in Hong Kong. This faction is essentially Xi's biggest rival and have blamed the trade war on him "Xi has lost the West". This has to be a huge strain on Xi and his power base.

    Both are awful but CCP in-fighting is a good thing as far as the US in concerned.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,850 Founders Club

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
    Yes. Trump capitulated. A global recession is ensuing. US equity markets are tanking. The 2-year v 10-year UST yield curve was inverted at today’s opening.

    Bit Xi will cave any day now and at least trump is doing something, right?
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 19,965 Standard Supporter

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
    Yes. Trump capitulated. A global recession is ensuing. US equity markets are tanking. The 2-year v 10-year UST yield curve was inverted at today’s opening.

    Bit Xi will cave any day now and at least trump is doing something, right?
    Gosh I hope so since the democrats only solution is to run an old white racist who is in the pocket of the Chi Coms

    Any thoughts on that oh Oracle of El Monte?

    I know we could try socialism. That always works

    Or just give in and let China win

    You're such a soft fucking loser you probably wear a white helmet knitted pink stocking cap.
    @RaceBannon: How could you miss the obvious?
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,791 Swaye's Wigwam

    There's multiple things going on in the behind the scenes power games of the CCP. There's rumors that extradition was also an attempt to capture a lot of former leader and still CCP faction leader Jiang Zemin's supporters with corruption charges. He and many other former CCP members who supported him made fortunes in/through connections in Hong Kong. This faction is essentially Xi's biggest rival and have blamed the trade war on him "Xi has lost the West". This has to be a huge strain on Xi and his power base.

    Both are awful but CCP in-fighting is a good thing as far as the US in concerned.

    Honestly thought I'd clicked onto a recruiting thread for a sec.


    Chat?
    $10.95
  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
    Yes. Trump capitulated. A global recession is ensuing. US equity markets are tanking. The 2-year v 10-year UST yield curve was inverted at today’s opening.

    Bit Xi will cave any day now and at least trump is doing something, right?
    Gosh I hope so since the democrats only solution is to run an old white racist who is in the pocket of the Chi Coms

    Any thoughts on that oh Oracle of El Monte?

    I know we could try socialism. That always works

    Or just give in and let China win

    You're such a soft fucking loser you probably wear a white helmet
    So you don’t have a single point to make at all. Got it.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,499 Standard Supporter

    There's multiple things going on in the behind the scenes power games of the CCP. There's rumors that extradition was also an attempt to capture a lot of former leader and still CCP faction leader Jiang Zemin's supporters with corruption charges. He and many other former CCP members who supported him made fortunes in/through connections in Hong Kong. This faction is essentially Xi's biggest rival and have blamed the trade war on him "Xi has lost the West". This has to be a huge strain on Xi and his power base.

    Both are awful but CCP in-fighting is a good thing as far as the US in concerned.

    Honestly thought I'd clicked onto a recruiting thread for a sec.


    Chat?
    ₩10.95
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,850 Founders Club

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
    Yes. Trump capitulated. A global recession is ensuing. US equity markets are tanking. The 2-year v 10-year UST yield curve was inverted at today’s opening.

    Bit Xi will cave any day now and at least trump is doing something, right?
    Gosh I hope so since the democrats only solution is to run an old white racist who is in the pocket of the Chi Coms

    Any thoughts on that oh Oracle of El Monte?

    I know we could try socialism. That always works

    Or just give in and let China win

    You're such a soft fucking loser you probably wear a white helmet
    So you don’t have a single point to make at all. Got it.
    I made several points that you now must avoid at all costs

    The left spent four years insulting Reagan then ran Jimmy Carter's VP

    To be fair they only lost 49 states in 84 even though Reagan had a first term recession

    Just crying like a bitch everyday won't get it done boy

    In the spring of 1981, shortly before the onset of the painful recession, most Americans were optimistic about their economic future. A Gallup survey at the time found that 48% of the public believed the financial position of their household would be better in the next 12 months. Another 35% believed it would stay the same, while only 15% thought it would get worse. The public also smiled on the newly elected president. In a May poll, nearly half of Americans said the Reagan administration’s economic policies would make their family’s financial situation much better (8%) or somewhat better (41%). Just 37% said Reagan’s policies would make their family finances worse.

    A year later, in September 1982, with the unemployment rate at 10.1%, most Americans were far from pleased with the state of the economy. A 54%-majority said Reagan’s policies had made their personal financial situation worse; just 34% said the policies had made their situation better. But even as the economy reached its nadir, the public did not lose all confidence in Reagan: In an October survey, a 40%-plurality said that over the long run the president’s policies would make their economic situation better, while a third said they would make things worse and 15% volunteered they would stay the same.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 44,183 Standard Supporter

    There's multiple things going on in the behind the scenes power games of the CCP. There's rumors that extradition was also an attempt to capture a lot of former leader and still CCP faction leader Jiang Zemin's supporters with corruption charges. He and many other former CCP members who supported him made fortunes in/through connections in Hong Kong. This faction is essentially Xi's biggest rival and have blamed the trade war on him "Xi has lost the West". This has to be a huge strain on Xi and his power base.

    Both are awful but CCP in-fighting is a good thing as far as the US in concerned.

    Honestly thought I'd clicked onto a recruiting thread for a sec.


    Chat?
    It's getting fucking crazy up in there.

  • Dude61Dude61 Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,254 Swaye's Wigwam
    China is a paper tiger.

    Resorting to a currency war to fight a trade war shows just how badly China is losing the trade war. China now faces more capital outflows as a result of the devaluation of their currency. International business is moving supply chains from China to Vietnam and other locations in SE Asia. Social unrest in Hong Kong only adds to China's problems.

    Trump is correct to continue to apply pressure on China.
  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You meat-headed buffoon!
    In another thread I stated facts, not leftist wishfulness, that Xi caved beffore Trump threw him a thank you bone.
    Of course you ignored facts, instead choosing to recite Paul Krugman gibberish.
    What a douche.
  • Blu82Blu82 Member Posts: 1,570

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
    Yes. Trump capitulated. A global recession is ensuing. US equity markets are tanking. The 2-year v 10-year UST yield curve was inverted at today’s opening.

    Bit Xi will cave any day now and at least trump is doing something, right?
    Gosh I hope so since the democrats only solution is to run an old white racist who is in the pocket of the Chi Coms

    Any thoughts on that oh Oracle of El Monte?

    I know we could try socialism. That always works

    Or just give in and let China win

    You're such a soft fucking loser you probably wear a white helmet
    Pretty sure that helmet is equipped with a bite plate.
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
    Yes. Trump capitulated. A global recession is ensuing. US equity markets are tanking. The 2-year v 10-year UST yield curve was inverted at today’s opening.

    Bit Xi will cave any day now and at least trump is doing something, right?
    Gosh I hope so since the democrats only solution is to run an old white racist who is in the pocket of the Chi Coms

    Any thoughts on that oh Oracle of El Monte?

    I know we could try socialism. That always works

    Or just give in and let China win

    You're such a soft fucking loser you probably wear a white helmet
    So you don’t have a single point to make at all. Got it.
    I made several points that you now must avoid at all costs

    The left spent four years insulting Reagan then ran Jimmy Carter's VP

    To be fair they only lost 49 states in 84 even though Reagan had a first term recession

    Just crying like a bitch everyday won't get it done boy

    In the spring of 1981, shortly before the onset of the painful recession, most Americans were optimistic about their economic future. A Gallup survey at the time found that 48% of the public believed the financial position of their household would be better in the next 12 months. Another 35% believed it would stay the same, while only 15% thought it would get worse. The public also smiled on the newly elected president. In a May poll, nearly half of Americans said the Reagan administration’s economic policies would make their family’s financial situation much better (8%) or somewhat better (41%). Just 37% said Reagan’s policies would make their family finances worse.

    A year later, in September 1982, with the unemployment rate at 10.1%, most Americans were far from pleased with the state of the economy. A 54%-majority said Reagan’s policies had made their personal financial situation worse; just 34% said the policies had made their situation better. But even as the economy reached its nadir, the public did not lose all confidence in Reagan: In an October survey, a 40%-plurality said that over the long run the president’s policies would make their economic situation better, while a third said they would make things worse and 15% volunteered they would stay the same.
    See the bolded.

    I sincerely believe this. And this is why Trump will boat race whoever the progressives throw out there - Americans don't like whiners. Period.

    They like confidence. They like people who strut and talk shit and smoke weed like Lane Kiffen. They like Ali and Jon Gruden and Mike Tyson and Larry Bird and Gary Payton. Talk the talk, walk the walk, take it on the chin every once in a while but then get up and kick some ass.

    That's America.

    Whining about what's wrong is looser talk. Flat out stating "This is wrong, I'm gonna do X Y and Z and fix it" and then do exactly X Y and Z. That's Trump.

    If any of the Progressives had an ounce of swagger and a little bit of testosterone, they might actually have a chance. They don't and they don't.



    Disagree. Americans have become soft and dumb. They voted Obama in for a 2nd term despite how radical and divisive he was, despite his many failures of policy. They keep voting in trash like Pocahontas Warren and Krapala Harris. They voted Gavin Newsome as governor of California, and they voted in Andrew Cuomo as governor of New York. The left loves a good whiner and a solid fascist, someone they can get in line behind and goosestep toward the future.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,850 Founders Club

    New leader in the clubhouse: Xi will cave any day now potd!
    Merry Christmas btw.

    You had an argument? Analysis of the market’s reaction to the trade war? Rationalization of Xi's troubles?


    Root root root for the away team

    If they don't win its a shame

    For its one, two, three, strikes you're out at the old ball game
    Yes. Trump capitulated. A global recession is ensuing. US equity markets are tanking. The 2-year v 10-year UST yield curve was inverted at today’s opening.

    Bit Xi will cave any day now and at least trump is doing something, right?
    Gosh I hope so since the democrats only solution is to run an old white racist who is in the pocket of the Chi Coms

    Any thoughts on that oh Oracle of El Monte?

    I know we could try socialism. That always works

    Or just give in and let China win

    You're such a soft fucking loser you probably wear a white helmet
    So you don’t have a single point to make at all. Got it.
    I made several points that you now must avoid at all costs

    The left spent four years insulting Reagan then ran Jimmy Carter's VP

    To be fair they only lost 49 states in 84 even though Reagan had a first term recession

    Just crying like a bitch everyday won't get it done boy

    In the spring of 1981, shortly before the onset of the painful recession, most Americans were optimistic about their economic future. A Gallup survey at the time found that 48% of the public believed the financial position of their household would be better in the next 12 months. Another 35% believed it would stay the same, while only 15% thought it would get worse. The public also smiled on the newly elected president. In a May poll, nearly half of Americans said the Reagan administration’s economic policies would make their family’s financial situation much better (8%) or somewhat better (41%). Just 37% said Reagan’s policies would make their family finances worse.

    A year later, in September 1982, with the unemployment rate at 10.1%, most Americans were far from pleased with the state of the economy. A 54%-majority said Reagan’s policies had made their personal financial situation worse; just 34% said the policies had made their situation better. But even as the economy reached its nadir, the public did not lose all confidence in Reagan: In an October survey, a 40%-plurality said that over the long run the president’s policies would make their economic situation better, while a third said they would make things worse and 15% volunteered they would stay the same.
    See the bolded.

    I sincerely believe this. And this is why Trump will boat race whoever the progressives throw out there - Americans don't like whiners. Period.

    They like confidence. They like people who strut and talk shit and smoke weed like Lane Kiffen. They like Ali and Jon Gruden and Mike Tyson and Larry Bird and Gary Payton. Talk the talk, walk the walk, take it on the chin every once in a while but then get up and kick some ass.

    That's America.

    Whining about what's wrong is looser talk. Flat out stating "This is wrong, I'm gonna do X Y and Z and fix it" and then do exactly X Y and Z. That's Trump.

    If any of the Progressives had an ounce of swagger and a little bit of testosterone, they might actually have a chance. They don't and they don't.



    Disagree. Americans have become soft and dumb. They voted Obama in for a 2nd term despite how radical and divisive he was, despite his many failures of policy. They keep voting in trash like Pocahontas Warren and Krapala Harris. They voted Gavin Newsome as governor of California, and they voted in Andrew Cuomo as governor of New York. The left loves a good whiner and a solid fascist, someone they can get in line behind and goosestep toward the future.
    Obama won when Romney let Candy Crowley kick his ass. Mitt managed to make Obama look tuff

    Not easy to do
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