Texas Recruiting - WAM Appetizer

dnc

Tequilla said:

The fundamental problem is this idea that going to Texas is taking away resources from elsewhere

If you check most of the Texas trips are also combined with Utah, Arizona, etc ..

For those not aware of flight times, SEA ➡️ DFW is about 3:15 to 3:30 ... LAX and Phoenix are more in the 2:30 to 3:00 range ... it’s really not material

As for Texas, the question for me is what/how are we doing what we’re doing. Forming strong relationships with schools like Allen HS is a good use of our time ... just like having ins with St John Bosco is for us in LA. Doesn’t mean that we get everybody from those schools. But when there is a good fit and interest, the results can be really good.

There’s a ton of talent in Texas ... it’s good for us to have a presence.

A couple other considerations:

1) West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue

2) Tech is becoming a BIG DEAL in Texas and the presence of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, etc is increasing ... there’s definitely tie in opportunities there

3) The way Texas recruiting works there are really good players that Texas/Oklahoma never even sniff at ... players like Sunday are great examples

Shortest nonstop on Orbitz is 3:45 minutes. Longest is about 4:10. Safe to say average is 3:55ish.

Return trip is longer with 4:10 the low end and 4:30 the high end. Average about 4:20.

LAX shortest is 2:40, longest is 3:02. Average is probably 2:50ish.

Back is slightly shorter with only one flight at 3:00 even and a couple under 2:40. Basically the same.

So about an hour and five minutes longer there and an hour and a half longer back.

So it's a bigger difference than being stated here but still not as big of a difference as one would think.

Tequilla

whlinder said:

If there is benefit to adding a bit of Texas HS football culture to our locker room then it makes more sense to me.

Otherwise I am struggling to see not going all in on California while USC/UCLA are down.

USC and UCLA won’t be down forever

Tequilla

dnc said:

Tequilla said:

The fundamental problem is this idea that going to Texas is taking away resources from elsewhere

If you check most of the Texas trips are also combined with Utah, Arizona, etc ..

For those not aware of flight times, SEA ➡️ DFW is about 3:15 to 3:30 ... LAX and Phoenix are more in the 2:30 to 3:00 range ... it’s really not material

As for Texas, the question for me is what/how are we doing what we’re doing. Forming strong relationships with schools like Allen HS is a good use of our time ... just like having ins with St John Bosco is for us in LA. Doesn’t mean that we get everybody from those schools. But when there is a good fit and interest, the results can be really good.

There’s a ton of talent in Texas ... it’s good for us to have a presence.

A couple other considerations:

1) West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue

2) Tech is becoming a BIG DEAL in Texas and the presence of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, etc is increasing ... there’s definitely tie in opportunities there

3) The way Texas recruiting works there are really good players that Texas/Oklahoma never even sniff at ... players like Sunday are great examples

Shortest nonstop on Orbitz is 3:45 minutes. Longest is about 4:10. Safe to say average is 3:55ish.

Return trip is longer with 4:10 the low end and 4:30 the high end. Average about 4:20.

LAX shortest is 2:40, longest is 3:02. Average is probably 2:50ish.

Back is slightly shorter with only one flight at 3:00 even and a couple under 2:40. Basically the same.

So about an hour and five minutes longer there and an hour and a half longer back.

So it's a bigger difference than being stated here but still not as big of a difference as one would think.

There’s listed and reality ... I fly the route often ... I should know

dnc

Tequilla said:

dnc said:

Tequilla said:

The fundamental problem is this idea that going to Texas is taking away resources from elsewhere

If you check most of the Texas trips are also combined with Utah, Arizona, etc ..

For those not aware of flight times, SEA ➡️ DFW is about 3:15 to 3:30 ... LAX and Phoenix are more in the 2:30 to 3:00 range ... it’s really not material

As for Texas, the question for me is what/how are we doing what we’re doing. Forming strong relationships with schools like Allen HS is a good use of our time ... just like having ins with St John Bosco is for us in LA. Doesn’t mean that we get everybody from those schools. But when there is a good fit and interest, the results can be really good.

There’s a ton of talent in Texas ... it’s good for us to have a presence.

A couple other considerations:

1) West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue

2) Tech is becoming a BIG DEAL in Texas and the presence of companies like Amazon, Microsoft, etc is increasing ... there’s definitely tie in opportunities there

3) The way Texas recruiting works there are really good players that Texas/Oklahoma never even sniff at ... players like Sunday are great examples

Shortest nonstop on Orbitz is 3:45 minutes. Longest is about 4:10. Safe to say average is 3:55ish.

Return trip is longer with 4:10 the low end and 4:30 the high end. Average about 4:20.

LAX shortest is 2:40, longest is 3:02. Average is probably 2:50ish.

Back is slightly shorter with only one flight at 3:00 even and a couple under 2:40. Basically the same.

So about an hour and five minutes longer there and an hour and a half longer back.

So it's a bigger difference than being stated here but still not as big of a difference as one would think.

There’s listed and reality ... I fly the route often ... I should know

So the DFW flights are thirty minutes faster than listed but the LAX ones are listed correctly?

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RoadDawg55

We recruit the West Coast and the coaches think and have already gotten good players from Texas. They target some guys there and go after the ones that show interest. It’s not a big deal and is being made out to be a way bigger deal than it is.

UWhuskytskeet

Tequilla said:

If you think you’re going to lecture me on what opportunity cost is you’re insane

People talk about opportunity cost because Dennis talks about it ...

There are parts of what Dennis says that I absolutely agree with in terms of opportunity cost

There are parts where I completely disagree

Opportunity cost is most applicable where you are boundless ... but recruiting is finite

If there are no scholarship limits you recruit everybody in state and then let them earn their spot, flame out, whatever.

But with limits we have to be selective. You have to target the best players possible that fit what it is that you want to do.

Again, the resources spent in Texas really only matter if we are missing on West Coast based players BECAUSE OF the efforts that we are spending in Texas. There is no material effort that that is the case.

Texas at this point is a CapEx investment that we are making for long term benefit. We are getting some short term returns but probably not at a break even versus the effort.

IMO, expanding our geographic footprint is critical if we want to compete nationally long term. You can freely disagree with me on that as we are all entitled to opinions. This is all about supplementing and adding to our recruiting base ... not taking away from it.

The reality is that if you don’t get ahead of trends it’s too late to react when they become obvious

This, except the exact opposite.

TTJ

whlinder said:

If there is benefit to adding a bit of Texas HS football culture to our locker room then it makes more sense to me.

Otherwise I am struggling to see not going all in on California while USC/UCLA are down.

This is a sensible question. Everyone is guessing at the answer.

Tequilla said:

West Coast participation is potentially declining and on top of that there’s a P12 perception issue

This is the real issue. If you think it’s tough keeping top West Coast kids in the P12, try moving outside the footprint, where you can’t even seen most P12 games on TV, except for the handful that start at 9:00 p.m. CT or later.

The cord-cutting trend will only worsen UW’s TV disadvantage nationally. Until the P12 shitcans Larry Scott and unfucks its ludicrous TV/streaming contracts, the only Texan players available to UW will continue to be guys the bluebloods don’t want. Which just isn’t a sound strategy for enhancing your Blue Chip Ratio and positioning yourself to win a National Championship.

Ballz

@Tequila wins. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Tequilla

Let’s be clear on opportunity cost ...

It’s applicable when I have a finite amount of resources (usually in the form of $$$) and I’m making decisions on how to maximize bang for my buck (usually customers)

The limiting agent in CFB recruiting is amount of time on the road recruiting. Coaches have to be smart at where they travel, who they visit, and most importantly and not really talked about here are the HS programs/coaches they want to build pipelines with.

The flaw in how most of you are talking about opportunity cost is that the recruiting game isn’t about maximizing customers (recruits). The recruiting game is finite and in any given class it’s about being able to secure the top targets that you can.

Road Dawg is spot on in his assessment. Texas is all about building out infrastructure and pipelines for the future. 1 to 3 kids don’t sound like a lot but it’s 5-15% of our class. In the last 5 years we’ve gone from being blown out in Hawaii to very successful by investing, time, energy, and resources. Same with Utah. Texas is no different.

whuggy

sonics1993 said:

I understand the reservations when it comes to Texas recruiting but I don't see the issue. The notion that we are wasting resources in Texas is wrong. Most of recruiting is texting and face time which doesn't take a lot of time or effort, it allows us to offer more recruits because of our strict criteria for offering and we aren't neglecting California for Texas. California is the first state the coaches evaluate for recruits and once they have done that along with Washington then they move on to other states. Us recruiting Texas hasn't prevented us from getting California recruits, it's just given us more opportunity for UW caliber recruits.

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