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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,559 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    I have nothing to add here. We've always had guns and we've always had mental illness. Don't know what's changed other than the first guy who let the genie out of the bottle and then established the blue print for the bananas that followed.

    Sure I think it would be marginally helpful for everyone to tone down the political rhetoric, but it's not going to stop it entirely. Fanning the flames of one nut's issue dejour doesn't help of course but it isn't the root cause of the whole thing IMHO. The guy who killed 21 in San Diego bought a boom box with him and played that dreadful The Warrior song. I remember people arguing "it was that song!" Lolz.

    More guns so everyone can shoot back? Sounds like more mess to me, even though it's a sledog wet dream. But, Never going to collect them all. Nutties will always find them. Too late for that.

    I got nothing here. Except maybe just stay home.

    Time to “infringe” on this privilege, not right. Let’s know who has guns and make them qualify and requalify to possess them. Hard time for unlawful possession. And some weapons should simply be unlawful per se.

    And no, any step toward improvement won’t be simple or perfect. But not one of these gun fetshists talking about mental illness really want to do anything about that either. It’s just a distraction.
    It is not practicably feasible to collect the guns. Sure, I'll take tighter regulation. Most reasonable people would. But guns are here to stay. Have to make peace with it and find a work around to the problem, if there be one to find.
    I’m not setting any unrealistic expectations. I understand many will violate the law if you tighten regulation. But there should be no question that those who do so will be punished.
    It's worked so well for drugs. The left just makes more lenient laws or doesn't enforce them or simply releases all those convicted as in Kalifornia.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,559 Standard Supporter
    Those first ten amendments are granted to us by the government. They are rules the government can not violate.
    Considered to be preexisting and inalienable and endowed on us by the creator.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,321
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    I have nothing to add here. We've always had guns and we've always had mental illness. Don't know what's changed other than the first guy who let the genie out of the bottle and then established the blue print for the bananas that followed.

    Sure I think it would be marginally helpful for everyone to tone down the political rhetoric, but it's not going to stop it entirely. Fanning the flames of one nut's issue dejour doesn't help of course but it isn't the root cause of the whole thing IMHO. The guy who killed 21 in San Diego bought a boom box with him and played that dreadful The Warrior song. I remember people arguing "it was that song!" Lolz.

    More guns so everyone can shoot back? Sounds like more mess to me, even though it's a sledog wet dream. But, Never going to collect them all. Nutties will always find them. Too late for that.

    I got nothing here. Except maybe just stay home.

    Time to “infringe” on this privilege, not right. Let’s know who has guns and make them qualify and requalify to possess them. Hard time for unlawful possession. And some weapons should simply be unlawful per se.

    And no, any step toward improvement won’t be simple or perfect. But not one of these gun fetshists talking about mental illness really want to do anything about that either. It’s just a distraction.
    It is not practicably feasible to collect the guns. Sure, I'll take tighter regulation. Most reasonable people would. But guns are here to stay. Have to make peace with it and find a work around to the problem, if there be one to find.
    I’m not setting any unrealistic expectations. I understand many will violate the law if you tighten regulation. But there should be no question that those who do so will be punished.
    It's worked so well for drugs. The left just makes more lenient laws or doesn't enforce them or simply releases all those convicted as in Kalifornia.
    Madam, you really need to pick a lane. “The left” is more behind the effort I’m proposing than the right is. And fines can also be criminal penalties. Jail time isn’t the only option.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,271
    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    I have nothing to add here. We've always had guns and we've always had mental illness. Don't know what's changed other than the first guy who let the genie out of the bottle and then established the blue print for the bananas that followed.

    Sure I think it would be marginally helpful for everyone to tone down the political rhetoric, but it's not going to stop it entirely. Fanning the flames of one nut's issue dejour doesn't help of course but it isn't the root cause of the whole thing IMHO. The guy who killed 21 in San Diego bought a boom box with him and played that dreadful The Warrior song. I remember people arguing "it was that song!" Lolz.

    More guns so everyone can shoot back? Sounds like more mess to me, even though it's a sledog wet dream. But, Never going to collect them all. Nutties will always find them. Too late for that.

    I got nothing here. Except maybe just stay home.

    Time to “infringe” on this privilege, not right. Let’s know who has guns and make them qualify and requalify to possess them. Hard time for unlawful possession. And some weapons should simply be unlawful per se.

    And no, any step toward improvement won’t be simple or perfect. But not one of these gun fetshists talking about mental illness really want to do anything about that either. It’s just a distraction.
    It is not practicably feasible to collect the guns. Sure, I'll take tighter regulation. Most reasonable people would. But guns are here to stay. Have to make peace with it and find a work around to the problem, if there be one to find.
    I’m not setting any unrealistic expectations. I understand many will violate the law if you tighten regulation. But there should be no question that those who do so will be punished.
    It's worked so well for drugs. The left just makes more lenient laws or doesn't enforce them or simply releases all those convicted as in Kalifornia.
    You realize you're starting down a road of arguing against your own argument, right?
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,271
    Sledog said:

    Those first ten amendments are granted to us by the government. They are rules the government can not violate.
    Considered to be preexisting and inalienable and endowed on us by the creator.

    If they are granted by the government how can they be pre-existing and endowed on us by the creator?
  • GDS
    GDS Member Posts: 1,470

    HHusky said:

    I have nothing to add here. We've always had guns and we've always had mental illness. Don't know what's changed other than the first guy who let the genie out of the bottle and then established the blue print for the bananas that followed.

    Sure I think it would be marginally helpful for everyone to tone down the political rhetoric, but it's not going to stop it entirely. Fanning the flames of one nut's issue dejour doesn't help of course but it isn't the root cause of the whole thing IMHO. The guy who killed 21 in San Diego bought a boom box with him and played that dreadful The Warrior song. I remember people arguing "it was that song!" Lolz.

    More guns so everyone can shoot back? Sounds like more mess to me, even though it's a sledog wet dream. But, Never going to collect them all. Nutties will always find them. Too late for that.

    I got nothing here. Except maybe just stay home.

    Time to “infringe” on this privilege, not right. Let’s know who has guns and make them qualify and requalify to possess them. Hard time for unlawful possession. And some weapons should simply be unlawful per se.

    And no, any step toward improvement won’t be simple or perfect. But not one of these gun fetshists talking about mental illness really want to do anything about that either. It’s just a distraction.
    It is not practicably feasible to collect the guns. Sure, I'll take tighter regulation. Most reasonable people would. But guns are here to stay. Have to make peace with it and find a work around to the problem, if there be one to find.
    New Zealand just did it in 28 days. But hey...it’s unrealistic...
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,271
    Are you sure they collectedZ them all? Let's wait until there are no mass shootings in NZ before popping off.

    Also, aren't there only like 18 people in NZ? I think the US is a much bigger can of worms.

    Other than that, I like your spunk.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,559 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    Those first ten amendments are granted to us by the government. They are rules the government can not violate.
    Considered to be preexisting and inalienable and endowed on us by the creator.

    If they are granted by the government how can they be pre-existing and endowed on us by the creator?
    Phone slip. somehow "not" didn't make the post. But you knew that.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,559 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Sledog said:

    HHusky said:

    HHusky said:

    I have nothing to add here. We've always had guns and we've always had mental illness. Don't know what's changed other than the first guy who let the genie out of the bottle and then established the blue print for the bananas that followed.

    Sure I think it would be marginally helpful for everyone to tone down the political rhetoric, but it's not going to stop it entirely. Fanning the flames of one nut's issue dejour doesn't help of course but it isn't the root cause of the whole thing IMHO. The guy who killed 21 in San Diego bought a boom box with him and played that dreadful The Warrior song. I remember people arguing "it was that song!" Lolz.

    More guns so everyone can shoot back? Sounds like more mess to me, even though it's a sledog wet dream. But, Never going to collect them all. Nutties will always find them. Too late for that.

    I got nothing here. Except maybe just stay home.

    Time to “infringe” on this privilege, not right. Let’s know who has guns and make them qualify and requalify to possess them. Hard time for unlawful possession. And some weapons should simply be unlawful per se.

    And no, any step toward improvement won’t be simple or perfect. But not one of these gun fetshists talking about mental illness really want to do anything about that either. It’s just a distraction.
    It is not practicably feasible to collect the guns. Sure, I'll take tighter regulation. Most reasonable people would. But guns are here to stay. Have to make peace with it and find a work around to the problem, if there be one to find.
    I’m not setting any unrealistic expectations. I understand many will violate the law if you tighten regulation. But there should be no question that those who do so will be punished.
    It's worked so well for drugs. The left just makes more lenient laws or doesn't enforce them or simply releases all those convicted as in Kalifornia.
    Madam, you really need to pick a lane. “The left” is more behind the effort I’m proposing than the right is. And fines can also be criminal penalties. Jail time isn’t the only option.
    The left doesn't enforce shit if they think they can get a vote out of it. Felon voting. Let's see who's in favor of that? Illegals voting? States now register them. Who'd do such a thing? Let 60K felons out of prison? Why must be those conservatives.......
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,559 Standard Supporter
    GDS said:

    HHusky said:

    I have nothing to add here. We've always had guns and we've always had mental illness. Don't know what's changed other than the first guy who let the genie out of the bottle and then established the blue print for the bananas that followed.

    Sure I think it would be marginally helpful for everyone to tone down the political rhetoric, but it's not going to stop it entirely. Fanning the flames of one nut's issue dejour doesn't help of course but it isn't the root cause of the whole thing IMHO. The guy who killed 21 in San Diego bought a boom box with him and played that dreadful The Warrior song. I remember people arguing "it was that song!" Lolz.

    More guns so everyone can shoot back? Sounds like more mess to me, even though it's a sledog wet dream. But, Never going to collect them all. Nutties will always find them. Too late for that.

    I got nothing here. Except maybe just stay home.

    Time to “infringe” on this privilege, not right. Let’s know who has guns and make them qualify and requalify to possess them. Hard time for unlawful possession. And some weapons should simply be unlawful per se.

    And no, any step toward improvement won’t be simple or perfect. But not one of these gun fetshists talking about mental illness really want to do anything about that either. It’s just a distraction.
    It is not practicably feasible to collect the guns. Sure, I'll take tighter regulation. Most reasonable people would. But guns are here to stay. Have to make peace with it and find a work around to the problem, if there be one to find.
    New Zealand just did it in 28 days. But hey...it’s unrealistic...
    No ones turning in shit in New Zealand and they don't know who has them to go out collecting. How's those bans back east going? No ones turned in shit there either.