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SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
The Gilroy shooter did not use an AK47. He used an SKS which has a fixed 10 round magazine. Seems the police chief said AK47 at some point and the media and online world went batty with it. It was not and is not an "assault weapon". Although since it is an improper name and used by people that know nothing about firearms they define an assault weapon as anything and everything. I'm sure they weren't trying to mislead the public......

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  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,326 Standard Supporter
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,841 Founders Club
    He assaulted people didn't he?
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,033
    KTLA reported four days ago that the initial report of it being an SKS was incorrect

    https://ktla.com/2019/07/30/gilroy-festival-shooter-bought-ak-47-style-rifle-in-nevada-brought-it-to-california-illegally/

    Gilroy Police Chief Scot Smithee initially described the weapon as an "SKS," which is a semi-automatic rifle designed by the Soviet Union during World War II and later widely manufactured in Eastern Europe and China. It has a traditional wooden stock with a fixed magazine that holds 10 bullets.

    While it looks superficially similar to the better-known and more modern AK-47, the standard SKS does not have a pistol grip or detachable high-capacity magazine that would make it illegal under California's assault weapons definition. A variation with an attached grenade launcher would be illegal.

    "The SKS is generally legally in California if it has a 10-round magazine ... and it's got a full-length wooden stock. It looks like a hunting rifle," said Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California. "It's pretty much an antique rifle. There are hundreds of thousands of them in private possession in California, all legal."

    Officials later clarified that the gunman used a semi-automatic variant of the AK-47, which appears to have a detachable magazine and wooden stock with a pistol grip.

    "Under the configuration of that gun, it would be illegal for him to import it into the state," Paredes said.

    Ammunition magazines in California are generally restricted to holding no more than 10 bullets, though that is being challenged in court. That plus the pistol grip would qualify it as an assault weapon that would have to be registered if it was owned in California and would be illegal to bring into the state.

    A law enforcement official told The Associated Press that investigators believe the gunman used a WASR-10, which is a Romanian variant of the AK-47, selling for about $700 at Big Mike's Guns and Ammo in Fallon, Nevada, where he picked up the weapon.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2019
    BearsWiin said:

    KTLA reported four days ago that the initial report of it being an SKS was incorrect

    https://ktla.com/2019/07/30/gilroy-festival-shooter-bought-ak-47-style-rifle-in-nevada-brought-it-to-california-illegally/

    Gilroy Police Chief Scot Smithee initially described the weapon as an "SKS," which is a semi-automatic rifle designed by the Soviet Union during World War II and later widely manufactured in Eastern Europe and China. It has a traditional wooden stock with a fixed magazine that holds 10 bullets.

    While it looks superficially similar to the better-known and more modern AK-47, the standard SKS does not have a pistol grip or detachable high-capacity magazine that would make it illegal under California's assault weapons definition. A variation with an attached grenade launcher would be illegal.

    "The SKS is generally legally in California if it has a 10-round magazine ... and it's got a full-length wooden stock. It looks like a hunting rifle," said Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California. "It's pretty much an antique rifle. There are hundreds of thousands of them in private possession in California, all legal."

    Officials later clarified that the gunman used a semi-automatic variant of the AK-47, which appears to have a detachable magazine and wooden stock with a pistol grip.

    "Under the configuration of that gun, it would be illegal for him to import it into the state," Paredes said.

    Ammunition magazines in California are generally restricted to holding no more than 10 bullets, though that is being challenged in court. That plus the pistol grip would qualify it as an assault weapon that would have to be registered if it was owned in California and would be illegal to bring into the state.

    A law enforcement official told The Associated Press that investigators believe the gunman used a WASR-10, which is a Romanian variant of the AK-47, selling for about $700 at Big Mike's Guns and Ammo in Fallon, Nevada, where he picked up the weapon.

    Sad when we can't get the truth. Political bias to advance agendas everywhere in the "news". It appears he was a resident of Nevada otherwise he shouldn't have been able to purchased the rifle. Buy we'll see calls for federal law since he took the gun into Cali illegally in any instance. People who are planning murders don't seem to worry about laws. Shocking I know.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,033
    FWIW I've owned an SKS for nearly 30 years now, one that top-loads the ten round banana clips pretty quickly and easily. For many years it was easy and legal to get aftermarket 30 round detachable magazines that made the SKS virtually operationally indistinguishable from the AK47 (gas-operated reloading semi-auto, 7.62x39, 30 rounds). They've been outlawed in CA for a long time, but I'd hazard a guess that there are a lot of converted SKSs out there (mine is not one of them - I resisted the urge).

    I'll readily agree with anybody who argues that lawmakers spend too much political capital on bullshit cosmetics, and that America's real problem lies with easily portable and concealable handguns and not the relatively small number of sensational shootings perpetrated with assault rifles
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    edited August 2019
    BearsWiin said:

    FWIW I've owned an SKS for nearly 30 years now, one that top-loads the ten round banana clips pretty quickly and easily. For many years it was easy and legal to get aftermarket 30 round detachable magazines that made the SKS virtually operationally indistinguishable from the AK47 (gas-operated reloading semi-auto, 7.62x39, 30 rounds). They've been outlawed in CA for a long time, but I'd hazard a guess that there are a lot of converted SKSs out there (mine is not one of them - I resisted the urge).

    I'll readily agree with anybody who argues that lawmakers spend too much political capital on bullshit cosmetics, and that America's real problem lies with easily portable and concealable handguns and not the relatively small number of sensational shootings perpetrated with assault rifles

    Stripper clips not banana. Good thing you didn't they usually don't work well. Mine all have the standard 10 round box. It works. Assault weapons are the weapons liberals fear because they would be used to prevent their installation of their communist/socialist dream government. That and some look all scary and mean. They would have that dream government use them on anyone who doesn't agree with them. That's how it always works.
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,033
    Yes, stripper clips.

    Always fun to hear the party of lawn odor talking about taking up arms against the govt.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    Sledog said:

    BearsWiin said:

    FWIW I've owned an SKS for nearly 30 years now, one that top-loads the ten round banana clips pretty quickly and easily. For many years it was easy and legal to get aftermarket 30 round detachable magazines that made the SKS virtually operationally indistinguishable from the AK47 (gas-operated reloading semi-auto, 7.62x39, 30 rounds). They've been outlawed in CA for a long time, but I'd hazard a guess that there are a lot of converted SKSs out there (mine is not one of them - I resisted the urge).

    I'll readily agree with anybody who argues that lawmakers spend too much political capital on bullshit cosmetics, and that America's real problem lies with easily portable and concealable handguns and not the relatively small number of sensational shootings perpetrated with assault rifles

    Stripper clips not banana. Good thing you didn't they usually don't work well. Mine all have the standard 10 round box. It works. Assault weapons are the weapons liberals fear because they would be used to prevent their installation of their communist/socialist dream government. That and some look all scary and mean. They would have that dream government use them on anyone who doesn't agree with them. That's how it always works.
    Yes that 30 round clip will work against a tank or attack helicopter where a 10 round is completely useless.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    BearsWiin said:

    Yes, stripper clips.

    Always fun to hear the party of lawn odor talking about taking up arms against the govt.

    Lawn odor?

    That's why we have a second amendment. To prevent tyranny of government and personal protection.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 20,810
    edited August 2019
    Sledog said:

    BearsWiin said:

    Yes, stripper clips.

    Always fun to hear the party of lawn odor talking about taking up arms against the govt.

    Lawn odor?

    That's why we have a second amendment. To prevent tyranny of government and personal protection.
    What kinda tank do you drive?

    When you’re not keeping the government at bay, are you able to use it for hunting?
  • BearsWiinBearsWiin Member Posts: 5,033
    2001400ex said:

    Sledog said:

    BearsWiin said:

    FWIW I've owned an SKS for nearly 30 years now, one that top-loads the ten round banana clips pretty quickly and easily. For many years it was easy and legal to get aftermarket 30 round detachable magazines that made the SKS virtually operationally indistinguishable from the AK47 (gas-operated reloading semi-auto, 7.62x39, 30 rounds). They've been outlawed in CA for a long time, but I'd hazard a guess that there are a lot of converted SKSs out there (mine is not one of them - I resisted the urge).

    I'll readily agree with anybody who argues that lawmakers spend too much political capital on bullshit cosmetics, and that America's real problem lies with easily portable and concealable handguns and not the relatively small number of sensational shootings perpetrated with assault rifles

    Stripper clips not banana. Good thing you didn't they usually don't work well. Mine all have the standard 10 round box. It works. Assault weapons are the weapons liberals fear because they would be used to prevent their installation of their communist/socialist dream government. That and some look all scary and mean. They would have that dream government use them on anyone who doesn't agree with them. That's how it always works.
    Yes that 30 round clip will work against a tank or attack helicopter where a 10 round is completely useless.
    The triple-chin camo-clad chest thumping weekend warrior paintballer contingent thinks highly of themselves

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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,862 Standard Supporter
    The military isn't going with that program they actually have to read the constitution. You non Americans should try it.
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