The pulse of the board regarding running backs
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Uh, what?dnc said:
Holy ISAFNRC dude!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hamdan sucks. So does Gregory for special teams. Not sure what Hayward does. Kwat needs to recruit better. The line needs to take the next step under Huff (I think they will).bigcc said:
For discussions' sake, is there any positional coach that you AREN'T ok with the performance of? Nobody is saying that he is a poor coach, we're saying that he is one of the weaker pieces of the puzzlePostGameOrangeSlices said:
There is always inherent unknown with recruiting. But Im giving metrics on why KB doesnt suck (player production, averaging a 4 star every year) and so far you guys have:FirePete said:
In case you are new here. This whole board is based on speculationPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You don't know this. It's literally impossible to know. You are speculating.bigcc said:
Do you honestly think that KPs recruiting is up to par with the type of program we(?) have?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great argument buddy! I hadnt considered that before.bigcc said:
I guess someone has to spread the aids for the short period SAC has his meds dialed inPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is horse shit. When was the last time we got any out of state 5 star? Why do you praise Huff for closing in state OL and shit on Keith and say it's a formality guys like Ahmed and Adams will come here? He also pulled Davis and McGrew out of Cali.FirePete said:
Since huff took over, I don’t think he had any misses in state. This is by product of winning and huff connecting to kids. With KB we getting most of the kids due to winning, if he could relate to kids he would getting kids lie bijonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
He has gotten four 4 stars in the last four recruiting cycles, plus 3 solid 3 stars.FirePete said:
That is not the point of shitting on KB. He is more than a competent coach, the gripe with most TBSers with him he should be able to get better prospect.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Even if this were true, which it is not, who cares? He gets them and has a proven track record developing players.FirePete said:
Dude those kids would have come to UW if you were the RB coach.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Man he really has sucked getting Cam Davis, Sunday, and Adams!!! Especially after getting 5 star production for 4 years from a local 3 star kid!!!FirePete said:
Dude why are so fucking stupid??PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Disagree.GrundleStiltzkin said:What a gay, useless non content thread.
His track record at two schools is stellar.
Reading this forum youd think he is fucking terrible.
If the TBSers are gonna dish it out, they are gonna take some shit from time to time
We are not questioning his ability to coach, we are questioning his ability to get his top targets
Fucking idiot. You guys cant see the forest for the trees
Do I wish he was getting 5 stars? Sure, but he isnt doing a bad job and you cant wash it away by saying "well yeah but they are WA guys and coming here anyways". Just take a look at our misses on in state OL the past decade
It's hypocritical nonsense.
Go back to fucking dawgman
Sam adams was a great get, but if he had been raised anywhere further than within an hour drive, there isn't a chance he would have committed by now, and probably not at all
- in state 4 star RBs will come here no matter what. simply not true, nothing in recruiting is certain, like you said.
- KB should be expected to be the first on our staff to relate well enough to an out of state 5 star. This is fucking ridiculous, some years dont even have a 5 star RB in the west. Lake, Huff, Malloe, have not done this and they take 4 or 5 players a class, not two max.
you guys get really caught up in the meme circle jerks on here, im trying to challenge the narrative. If RBs suck this year with a veteran OL I'll be the first to call out KB. -
In the last few years we have lost games because of OL play, DL play, LB play, QB play, and WR play. Have we ever lost because of RB play?
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None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls. -
The only game you could even hope to argue would be Cal last year, but that falls more on the offensive scheme as a whole, Pete, Browning, Hamden, with maybe Ahmed being a solid 5th.fosterworth said:In the last few years we have lost games because of OL play, DL play, LB play, QB play, and WR play. Have we ever lost because of RB play?
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Huff LITERALLY just got 4 guys that Ohio State would take in a heartbeat, Jesus Christ man. Malloe last year did the damn thing too. Early on Adams but it looks like he can do it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Not a single postition coach is recruiting at the level of Clemson or Ohio State. Not a single one. Huff right now comes the closest.DodgyBloke said:yea 1 4 star every year is good but lets be real we are building every year and until we go to the playoff again or finally win the big game we aren't going to be seen differently but win and win big and you can real in big fish or get there attention. We want to see what our coaching staff could do with a class like clemsons or Ohio State we would be absolutely dominant. Thats what we need is superior talent at rb like Milton or Robinson not Sam and a couple jags, if we had done better at recruiting rb maybe we wouldn't see a big drop off with gaskin gone because we know we had talent in the stable. To me the stable is about half full to what it could be. Its only a matter of time until this ticking time bomb goes off and when it does boy I can't wait to see what the website is going to look like.
So why shit on KB so much when the performance of his players in the actual games has been stellar? All with a fucked up playbook and iffy run blocking? -
Oh so now youre moving the goal posts?DefinitelyNotCoker said:
Huff LITERALLY just got 4 guys that Ohio State would take in a heartbeat, Jesus Christ man. Malloe last year did the damn thing too. Early on Adams but it looks like he can do it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Not a single postition coach is recruiting at the level of Clemson or Ohio State. Not a single one. Huff right now comes the closest.DodgyBloke said:yea 1 4 star every year is good but lets be real we are building every year and until we go to the playoff again or finally win the big game we aren't going to be seen differently but win and win big and you can real in big fish or get there attention. We want to see what our coaching staff could do with a class like clemsons or Ohio State we would be absolutely dominant. Thats what we need is superior talent at rb like Milton or Robinson not Sam and a couple jags, if we had done better at recruiting rb maybe we wouldn't see a big drop off with gaskin gone because we know we had talent in the stable. To me the stable is about half full to what it could be. Its only a matter of time until this ticking time bomb goes off and when it does boy I can't wait to see what the website is going to look like.
So why shit on KB so much when the performance of his players in the actual games has been stellar? All with a fucked up playbook and iffy run blocking? -
There is no reason to argue with you because you are helpless. I forgot about that, carry on.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls. -
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls. -
You guys are embarrassing and have nothing. Yeah, Im sure Ohio State is losing sleep they didnt get Gaard Meemelar. Fucking delusional.DefinitelyNotCoker said:
There is no reason to argue with you because you are helpless. I forgot about that, carry on.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls. -
Carry onPostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh so now youre moving the goal posts?DefinitelyNotCoker said:
Huff LITERALLY just got 4 guys that Ohio State would take in a heartbeat, Jesus Christ man. Malloe last year did the damn thing too. Early on Adams but it looks like he can do it.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Not a single postition coach is recruiting at the level of Clemson or Ohio State. Not a single one. Huff right now comes the closest.DodgyBloke said:yea 1 4 star every year is good but lets be real we are building every year and until we go to the playoff again or finally win the big game we aren't going to be seen differently but win and win big and you can real in big fish or get there attention. We want to see what our coaching staff could do with a class like clemsons or Ohio State we would be absolutely dominant. Thats what we need is superior talent at rb like Milton or Robinson not Sam and a couple jags, if we had done better at recruiting rb maybe we wouldn't see a big drop off with gaskin gone because we know we had talent in the stable. To me the stable is about half full to what it could be. Its only a matter of time until this ticking time bomb goes off and when it does boy I can't wait to see what the website is going to look like.
So why shit on KB so much when the performance of his players in the actual games has been stellar? All with a fucked up playbook and iffy run blocking? -
For someone who’s @DefinitelyNotCoker you kinda sound like him.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls. -
We haven't have a coach named Heyward in years. I assume you mean Harris.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Uh, what?dnc said:
Holy ISAFNRC dude!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hamdan sucks. So does Gregory for special teams. Not sure what Hayward does. Kwat needs to recruit better. The line needs to take the next step under Huff (I think they will).bigcc said:
For discussions' sake, is there any positional coach that you AREN'T ok with the performance of? Nobody is saying that he is a poor coach, we're saying that he is one of the weaker pieces of the puzzlePostGameOrangeSlices said:
There is always inherent unknown with recruiting. But Im giving metrics on why KB doesnt suck (player production, averaging a 4 star every year) and so far you guys have:FirePete said:
In case you are new here. This whole board is based on speculationPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You don't know this. It's literally impossible to know. You are speculating.bigcc said:
Do you honestly think that KPs recruiting is up to par with the type of program we(?) have?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great argument buddy! I hadnt considered that before.bigcc said:
I guess someone has to spread the aids for the short period SAC has his meds dialed inPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is horse shit. When was the last time we got any out of state 5 star? Why do you praise Huff for closing in state OL and shit on Keith and say it's a formality guys like Ahmed and Adams will come here? He also pulled Davis and McGrew out of Cali.FirePete said:
Since huff took over, I don’t think he had any misses in state. This is by product of winning and huff connecting to kids. With KB we getting most of the kids due to winning, if he could relate to kids he would getting kids lie bijonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
He has gotten four 4 stars in the last four recruiting cycles, plus 3 solid 3 stars.FirePete said:
That is not the point of shitting on KB. He is more than a competent coach, the gripe with most TBSers with him he should be able to get better prospect.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Even if this were true, which it is not, who cares? He gets them and has a proven track record developing players.FirePete said:
Dude those kids would have come to UW if you were the RB coach.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Man he really has sucked getting Cam Davis, Sunday, and Adams!!! Especially after getting 5 star production for 4 years from a local 3 star kid!!!FirePete said:
Dude why are so fucking stupid??PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Disagree.GrundleStiltzkin said:What a gay, useless non content thread.
His track record at two schools is stellar.
Reading this forum youd think he is fucking terrible.
If the TBSers are gonna dish it out, they are gonna take some shit from time to time
We are not questioning his ability to coach, we are questioning his ability to get his top targets
Fucking idiot. You guys cant see the forest for the trees
Do I wish he was getting 5 stars? Sure, but he isnt doing a bad job and you cant wash it away by saying "well yeah but they are WA guys and coming here anyways". Just take a look at our misses on in state OL the past decade
It's hypocritical nonsense.
Go back to fucking dawgman
Sam adams was a great get, but if he had been raised anywhere further than within an hour drive, there isn't a chance he would have committed by now, and probably not at all
- in state 4 star RBs will come here no matter what. simply not true, nothing in recruiting is certain, like you said.
- KB should be expected to be the first on our staff to relate well enough to an out of state 5 star. This is fucking ridiculous, some years dont even have a 5 star RB in the west. Lake, Huff, Malloe, have not done this and they take 4 or 5 players a class, not two max.
you guys get really caught up in the meme circle jerks on here, im trying to challenge the narrative. If RBs suck this year with a veteran OL I'll be the first to call out KB.
All those DB coaches look alike. -
Oh but Jimmy Lake is a savant? How can some coaches develop players but others can't? I guess players only get developed when they fit your narrative. If Gaskin was such a generational talent why was he a mid tier 3 star with no other big blue blood offers?GOAT said:
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls. -
This kinda proves my point. Why is Harris on staff? DBs were amazing with Lake and Lake is still heavily involved in their development. Why didnt we use the staff slot to get a guy to recruit buck, and have Kwat be given the title of "defensive mastermind and sidekick to Lake". Makes no fucking sense. Have a GA help Lake out with DB drills.dnc said:
We haven't have a coach named Heyward in years. I assume you mean Harris.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Uh, what?dnc said:
Holy ISAFNRC dude!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hamdan sucks. So does Gregory for special teams. Not sure what Hayward does. Kwat needs to recruit better. The line needs to take the next step under Huff (I think they will).bigcc said:
For discussions' sake, is there any positional coach that you AREN'T ok with the performance of? Nobody is saying that he is a poor coach, we're saying that he is one of the weaker pieces of the puzzlePostGameOrangeSlices said:
There is always inherent unknown with recruiting. But Im giving metrics on why KB doesnt suck (player production, averaging a 4 star every year) and so far you guys have:FirePete said:
In case you are new here. This whole board is based on speculationPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You don't know this. It's literally impossible to know. You are speculating.bigcc said:
Do you honestly think that KPs recruiting is up to par with the type of program we(?) have?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great argument buddy! I hadnt considered that before.bigcc said:
I guess someone has to spread the aids for the short period SAC has his meds dialed inPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is horse shit. When was the last time we got any out of state 5 star? Why do you praise Huff for closing in state OL and shit on Keith and say it's a formality guys like Ahmed and Adams will come here? He also pulled Davis and McGrew out of Cali.FirePete said:
Since huff took over, I don’t think he had any misses in state. This is by product of winning and huff connecting to kids. With KB we getting most of the kids due to winning, if he could relate to kids he would getting kids lie bijonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
He has gotten four 4 stars in the last four recruiting cycles, plus 3 solid 3 stars.FirePete said:
That is not the point of shitting on KB. He is more than a competent coach, the gripe with most TBSers with him he should be able to get better prospect.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Even if this were true, which it is not, who cares? He gets them and has a proven track record developing players.FirePete said:
Dude those kids would have come to UW if you were the RB coach.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Man he really has sucked getting Cam Davis, Sunday, and Adams!!! Especially after getting 5 star production for 4 years from a local 3 star kid!!!FirePete said:
Dude why are so fucking stupid??PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Disagree.GrundleStiltzkin said:What a gay, useless non content thread.
His track record at two schools is stellar.
Reading this forum youd think he is fucking terrible.
If the TBSers are gonna dish it out, they are gonna take some shit from time to time
We are not questioning his ability to coach, we are questioning his ability to get his top targets
Fucking idiot. You guys cant see the forest for the trees
Do I wish he was getting 5 stars? Sure, but he isnt doing a bad job and you cant wash it away by saying "well yeah but they are WA guys and coming here anyways". Just take a look at our misses on in state OL the past decade
It's hypocritical nonsense.
Go back to fucking dawgman
Sam adams was a great get, but if he had been raised anywhere further than within an hour drive, there isn't a chance he would have committed by now, and probably not at all
- in state 4 star RBs will come here no matter what. simply not true, nothing in recruiting is certain, like you said.
- KB should be expected to be the first on our staff to relate well enough to an out of state 5 star. This is fucking ridiculous, some years dont even have a 5 star RB in the west. Lake, Huff, Malloe, have not done this and they take 4 or 5 players a class, not two max.
you guys get really caught up in the meme circle jerks on here, im trying to challenge the narrative. If RBs suck this year with a veteran OL I'll be the first to call out KB.
All those DB coaches look alike. -
Because Gaskin was essentially as good from the beginning of his freshman year as he was his senior year.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh but Jimmy Lake is a savant? How can some coaches develop players but others can't? I guess players only get developed when they fit your narrative. If Gaskin was such a generational talent why was he a mid tier 3 star with no other big blue blood offers?GOAT said:
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
There was no development track.
Gaskin is like SMFJ - a win for evaluation but not for development.
Lake has shown development with plenty of guys though. Unlike KB. -
Literally everyone here agrees with this.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This kinda proves my point. Why is Harris on staff? DBs were amazing with Lake and Lake is still heavily involved in their development. Why didnt we use the staff slot to get a guy to recruit buck, and have Kwat be given the title of "defensive mastermind and sidekick to Lake". Makes no fucking sense. Have a GA help Lake out with DB drills.dnc said:
We haven't have a coach named Heyward in years. I assume you mean Harris.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Uh, what?dnc said:
Holy ISAFNRC dude!PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Hamdan sucks. So does Gregory for special teams. Not sure what Hayward does. Kwat needs to recruit better. The line needs to take the next step under Huff (I think they will).bigcc said:
For discussions' sake, is there any positional coach that you AREN'T ok with the performance of? Nobody is saying that he is a poor coach, we're saying that he is one of the weaker pieces of the puzzlePostGameOrangeSlices said:
There is always inherent unknown with recruiting. But Im giving metrics on why KB doesnt suck (player production, averaging a 4 star every year) and so far you guys have:FirePete said:
In case you are new here. This whole board is based on speculationPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You don't know this. It's literally impossible to know. You are speculating.bigcc said:
Do you honestly think that KPs recruiting is up to par with the type of program we(?) have?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great argument buddy! I hadnt considered that before.bigcc said:
I guess someone has to spread the aids for the short period SAC has his meds dialed inPostGameOrangeSlices said:
This is horse shit. When was the last time we got any out of state 5 star? Why do you praise Huff for closing in state OL and shit on Keith and say it's a formality guys like Ahmed and Adams will come here? He also pulled Davis and McGrew out of Cali.FirePete said:
Since huff took over, I don’t think he had any misses in state. This is by product of winning and huff connecting to kids. With KB we getting most of the kids due to winning, if he could relate to kids he would getting kids lie bijonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
He has gotten four 4 stars in the last four recruiting cycles, plus 3 solid 3 stars.FirePete said:
That is not the point of shitting on KB. He is more than a competent coach, the gripe with most TBSers with him he should be able to get better prospect.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Even if this were true, which it is not, who cares? He gets them and has a proven track record developing players.FirePete said:
Dude those kids would have come to UW if you were the RB coach.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Man he really has sucked getting Cam Davis, Sunday, and Adams!!! Especially after getting 5 star production for 4 years from a local 3 star kid!!!FirePete said:
Dude why are so fucking stupid??PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Disagree.GrundleStiltzkin said:What a gay, useless non content thread.
His track record at two schools is stellar.
Reading this forum youd think he is fucking terrible.
If the TBSers are gonna dish it out, they are gonna take some shit from time to time
We are not questioning his ability to coach, we are questioning his ability to get his top targets
Fucking idiot. You guys cant see the forest for the trees
Do I wish he was getting 5 stars? Sure, but he isnt doing a bad job and you cant wash it away by saying "well yeah but they are WA guys and coming here anyways". Just take a look at our misses on in state OL the past decade
It's hypocritical nonsense.
Go back to fucking dawgman
Sam adams was a great get, but if he had been raised anywhere further than within an hour drive, there isn't a chance he would have committed by now, and probably not at all
- in state 4 star RBs will come here no matter what. simply not true, nothing in recruiting is certain, like you said.
- KB should be expected to be the first on our staff to relate well enough to an out of state 5 star. This is fucking ridiculous, some years dont even have a 5 star RB in the west. Lake, Huff, Malloe, have not done this and they take 4 or 5 players a class, not two max.
you guys get really caught up in the meme circle jerks on here, im trying to challenge the narrative. If RBs suck this year with a veteran OL I'll be the first to call out KB.
All those DB coaches look alike. -
Gaskin was much better as an upperclassmen. He was outmanned against Bama and was a man vs PSU and OSU and almost carried our inept offense to come from behind miracle overtimes. Give me a fucking break. Every RB on our roster has improved. Washingron improved, Coleman developed amazingly well, Gaskin's backups have looked legit, Boise State had good RBs.dnc said:
Because Gaskin was essentially as good from the beginning of his freshman year as he was his senior year.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh but Jimmy Lake is a savant? How can some coaches develop players but others can't? I guess players only get developed when they fit your narrative. If Gaskin was such a generational talent why was he a mid tier 3 star with no other big blue blood offers?GOAT said:
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
There was no development track.
Gaskin is like SMFJ - a win for evaluation but not for development.
Lake has shown development with plenty of guys though. Unlike KB. -
I don’t give a shit about stars. Dom Hampton is my favorite recruit ever. Lake puts guys into the league every year. KB got lucky with Gaskin.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh but Jimmy Lake is a savant? How can some coaches develop players but others can't? I guess players only get developed when they fit your narrative. If Gaskin was such a generational talent why was he a mid tier 3 star with no other big blue blood offers?GOAT said:
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
Who has he developed besides Gaskin? -
Wow. You guys are embarassing with your lack of football knowledge. Just embarassing.GOAT said:
I don’t give a shit about stars. Dom Hampton is my favorite recruit ever. Lake puts guys into the league every year. KB got lucky with Gaskin.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh but Jimmy Lake is a savant? How can some coaches develop players but others can't? I guess players only get developed when they fit your narrative. If Gaskin was such a generational talent why was he a mid tier 3 star with no other big blue blood offers?GOAT said:
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
Who has he developed besides Gaskin?
Doug Martin, Jay Ajayi, DJ Harper, Dwayne Washington, Lavon Coleman. Three NFL players and a couple guys who bounced around camps.
Coleman was known as cement shoes because he was so slow initially, then became a complete beast as an upperclassmen.
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FUCKING THIS.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
This is the dumbest fucking beat my chest thread started in awhile and you built your argument on a foundation of bullshit.
This is ballz level bravado man. -
No one, including you, is making any points to refute what Im saying. Just repeating the same old tired bullshit.dirtysouwfdawg said:
FUCKING THIS.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
This is the dumbest fucking beat my chest thread started in awhile and you built your argument on a foundation of bullshit.
This is ballz level bravado man. -
I fall somewhere in the middle on this argument. LIPO.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Gaskin was much better as an upperclassmen. He was outmanned against Bama and was a man vs PSU and OSU and almost carried our inept offense to come from behind miracle overtimes. Give me a fucking break. Every RB on our roster has improved. Washingron improved, Coleman developed amazingly well, Gaskin's backups have looked legit, Boise State had good RBs.dnc said:
Because Gaskin was essentially as good from the beginning of his freshman year as he was his senior year.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh but Jimmy Lake is a savant? How can some coaches develop players but others can't? I guess players only get developed when they fit your narrative. If Gaskin was such a generational talent why was he a mid tier 3 star with no other big blue blood offers?GOAT said:
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
There was no development track.
Gaskin is like SMFJ - a win for evaluation but not for development.
Lake has shown development with plenty of guys though. Unlike KB.
There is a lot of bitching about Boner, but the last 4 years we've enjoyed the best back in program history. Gaskin definitely got better his last two years, especially with respect to his pass blocking and catching passes out of the backfield. Lavon Coleman got way better too. He has to get some credit for that. His recruiting is mediocre, but he gets a bit of credit for being able to identify underrated talents. I feel like we are right on the edge of having elite talent at the position, and the recent trend ('19 and '20) is positive.
That said, I think we are all nervous about our depth (I think the RB and ILB positions define our season) and who steps up post Gaskin. I will tolerate a medicore recruiter so long the play on the field is elite.
All that said, he hasn't built up any goodwill such that if the group doesn't produce this year he warrants being kept around. Paopao is the same, but we all know the TEs are gonna kill it on the field this year. I think Gregory is actually most at risk given our speshul teams play. -
There’s been plenty of valid points made on both sides.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No one, including you, is making any points to refute what Im saying. Just repeating the same old tired bullshit.dirtysouwfdawg said:
FUCKING THIS.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
This is the dumbest fucking beat my chest thread started in awhile and you built your argument on a foundation of bullshit.
This is ballz level bravado man.
It’s impossible to have an argument or even civil debate with someone who thinks they are always right.
High quality aids my man. Magic would be proud. -
Me saying im always right is a meme. And you guys always gloss over how good the BSU RBs were, and Colemans development. Gaskin did not arrive as the #1 recruit in the nation that needed no development, STFUdirtysouwfdawg said:
There’s been plenty of valid points made on both sides.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
No one, including you, is making any points to refute what Im saying. Just repeating the same old tired bullshit.dirtysouwfdawg said:
FUCKING THIS.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
This is the dumbest fucking beat my chest thread started in awhile and you built your argument on a foundation of bullshit.
This is ballz level bravado man.
It’s impossible to have an argument or even civil debate with someone who thinks they are always right.
High quality aids my man. Magic would be proud. -
If you have a good bartender do they make a better drink with the top shelf shit or the house shit?
KB does not have a “stable”. He has unproven backs at this point regardless of how long MMFG was here. He was a steady and reliable force.
Mcgrew, dick, cam and even akmhad are unproven. Salvon was still running right with the ball still in his left hand LY.
Imagine if charbonet or Jones came here. Pledger? Weddington (don’t recall the position he was recruited at). Point being, he’s missed. Smaller numbers based on position make it stand out more as he has less margin for error.
I’m willing to LIPO with this year to see if gaskin covered his warts. Next year you have to think Adams pushes for work if our “stable” is what I believe it is. Further masking the warts?
You can do more with more. Maybe more wins gets us more, putting akmahad in the league gets us more but right now I don’t think kB can recruit at the level a number of us believe he needs to be recruiting at.
That’s all I got. I’m sure you’re still right. -
Alabama's defense was like 10 times better than Penn State and tOSU's, tf are you talking about.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Gaskin was much better as an upperclassmen. He was outmanned against Bama and was a man vs PSU and OSU and almost carried our inept offense to come from behind miracle overtimes. Give me a fucking break. Every RB on our roster has improved. Washingron improved, Coleman developed amazingly well, Gaskin's backups have looked legit, Boise State had good RBs.dnc said:
Because Gaskin was essentially as good from the beginning of his freshman year as he was his senior year.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Oh but Jimmy Lake is a savant? How can some coaches develop players but others can't? I guess players only get developed when they fit your narrative. If Gaskin was such a generational talent why was he a mid tier 3 star with no other big blue blood offers?GOAT said:
KB did nothing to develop Gaskin you dumb fuck. He was a baller day one.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
None of our coaches are getting serious traction with California or Arizona 5 stars. Are you fucking high? Jesus christ Gaskin was our most consistent football player for 4 years. You guys are so insulated in your circle jerk here its hysterical.DefinitelyNotCoker said:Why are you propping up a average coach for no reason?
We have actual real life examples of coaches recruiting at elite levels now, there are no more excuses, just doing the minimum is not enough anymore.
We need to win a national championship, not protect the feelings of a coach who can’t even sniff a visit from Kendal Milton and Bijan Robinson after we had Myles Gaskin for four years and have been to three straight NY6 bowls.
There was no development track.
Gaskin is like SMFJ - a win for evaluation but not for development.
Lake has shown development with plenty of guys though. Unlike KB.
Also we actually gave him carries in the latter two games. -
This is the big example of KB's excellent ability to develop someone over four years.
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8 out of 9 years he has had a 1,000 yard back. He has sent 4 of his 5 starting RBs to the league including Gaskin. Martin, Ajayi, Washington are all still on rosters I believe.dnc said:This is the big example of KB's excellent ability to develop someone over four years.
If you watched the games, you would see what @woof saw. He got way better at pass blocking and catching, and flat out ran tougher as time progressed. Gaskin was also beat up last year. -
Lol at WashingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
8 out of 9 years he has had a 1,000 yard back. He has sent 4 of his 5 starting RBs to the league including Gaskin. Martin, Ajayi, Washington are all still on rosters I believe.dnc said:This is the big example of KB's excellent ability to develop someone over four years.
If you watched the games, you would see what @woof saw. He got way better at pass blocking and catching, and flat out ran tougher as time progressed. Gaskin was also beat up last year. -
Its surprising and weird tbh but it is what it is. He is definitely an athleteFirePete said:
Lol at WashingtonPostGameOrangeSlices said:
8 out of 9 years he has had a 1,000 yard back. He has sent 4 of his 5 starting RBs to the league including Gaskin. Martin, Ajayi, Washington are all still on rosters I believe.dnc said:This is the big example of KB's excellent ability to develop someone over four years.
If you watched the games, you would see what @woof saw. He got way better at pass blocking and catching, and flat out ran tougher as time progressed. Gaskin was also beat up last year.
