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Washington is going to be a powerhouse?!?!? What are you on? When is this going to happen?StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign. -
I think this only exists in your mind. Most people understand conference games are unpredictable; and no reasonable fan has Oregon penciled in for anything. You let the fringe bother you too much. The rest is conjecture, rationalized bias and emphasis on relatively unimportant points. P12 sucks until it doesn't, including Oregon. Keep it simple.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
Edwards lost six games and lost to Fresno State in the LV Bowl. Kelly hasn't done shit and encore performances fail at least as often as they succeed. I'll wait that one out. Wilcox? 1/2 a team. Oregon handled them thoroughly.
Cristobal stepped into a shit show and went 9-4 and beat the conference champs. He was in every loss but one, arguably two. Utah "basically beat" Northwestern in a game they lost by 11? Then you gotta give MC the moral victory for Stanford - a game that unraveled in spectacular fashion at the very end. One play away from nailing the coffin.
Oregon got better, everybody knows it, and then he followed that with a great recruiting class. If these facts were happening at Washington there would be no shutting you up. Hang him for Arizona and WSU? Sure. No argument. But then don't come tell me "but Utah" who lost to a loser team that couldn't handle Akron at home and "6 loss Herm can coach". GTFO with that selective ass reasoning.
You just have a bias. No big deal; it's your thing.
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There's about three of those on the Duck bored and Duckmayne and DJ aren't them.creepycoug said:
I think this only exists in your mind. Most people understand conference games are unpredictable; and no reasonable fan has Oregon penciled in for anything. You let the fringe bother you too much. The rest is conjecture, rationalized bias and emphasis on relatively unimportant points. P12 sucks until it doesn't, including Oregon. Keep it simple.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
Edwards lost six games and lost to Fresno State in the LV Bowl. Kelly hasn't done shit and encore performances fail at least as often as they succeed. I'll wait that one out. Wilcox? 1/2 a team. Oregon handled them thoroughly.
Cristobal stepped into a shit show and went 9-4 and beat the conference champs. He was in every loss but one, arguably two. Utah "basically beat" Northwestern in a game they lost by 11? Then you gotta give MC the moral victory for Stanford - a game that unraveled in spectacular fashion at the very end. One play away from nailing the coffin.
Oregon got better, everybody knows it, and then he followed that with a great recruiting class. If these facts were happening at Washington there would be no shutting you up. Hang him for Arizona and WSU? Sure. No argument. But then don't come tell me "but Utah" who lost to a loser team that couldn't handle Akron at home and "6 loss Herm can coach". GTFO with that selective ass reasoning.
You just have a bias. No big deal; it's your thing.
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Reasonable ducks:UW_Doog_Bot said:
There's about three of those on the Duck bored and Duckmayne and DJ aren't them.creepycoug said:
I think this only exists in your mind. Most people understand conference games are unpredictable; and no reasonable fan has Oregon penciled in for anything. You let the fringe bother you too much. The rest is conjecture, rationalized bias and emphasis on relatively unimportant points. P12 sucks until it doesn't, including Oregon. Keep it simple.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
Edwards lost six games and lost to Fresno State in the LV Bowl. Kelly hasn't done shit and encore performances fail at least as often as they succeed. I'll wait that one out. Wilcox? 1/2 a team. Oregon handled them thoroughly.
Cristobal stepped into a shit show and went 9-4 and beat the conference champs. He was in every loss but one, arguably two. Utah "basically beat" Northwestern in a game they lost by 11? Then you gotta give MC the moral victory for Stanford - a game that unraveled in spectacular fashion at the very end. One play away from nailing the coffin.
Oregon got better, everybody knows it, and then he followed that with a great recruiting class. If these facts were happening at Washington there would be no shutting you up. Hang him for Arizona and WSU? Sure. No argument. But then don't come tell me "but Utah" who lost to a loser team that couldn't handle Akron at home and "6 loss Herm can coach". GTFO with that selective ass reasoning.
You just have a bias. No big deal; it's your thing.
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It was a terrible post. As I just demonstrated. Usually the guy who drops the mic doesn't come back and tell the audience he dropped the mic. They know if it happened.StrongArmCobra said:
No contradictions man. That was a mic drop post. Thank you, come again.lawsandl said:
You talk too much and contradict yourself. You’re the idiot you’re railing against.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
6-loss Herm can coach? Great.
Moral victories against Akron/Duke-loser Northwestern? Chalk it up.
Cal plays TUFF defense? Oregon laid 42 on them at Berkeley with their retard QB, and left another easy 14 on the table.
Oregon got better. Whether they'll get better again remains to be seen.
I'd worry less about the P12, which is verifiable dog shit right now, and worry more about whether Pete can beat the big boys in January. Because everybody knows those last two losses had some 4th quarter lipstick applied to make them a little less ugly. -
And c'mon man 9-4? I heard Mario should be fired if he didn't go 9-3 regular season with their cupcake OOC, soft schedule, and talent already in the cupboard. I guess beating Worshington and a team with no offense in the Red Box Bowl make up for that. That's some serious little brother, "Sark beat #2 USC" if I ever heard it. You also can't shit all over the conference and Washington then turn around and use those wins to justify Mario being a good head coach.creepycoug said:
I think this only exists in your mind. Most people understand conference games are unpredictable; and no reasonable fan has Oregon penciled in for anything. You let the fringe bother you too much. The rest is conjecture, rationalized bias and emphasis on relatively unimportant points. P12 sucks until it doesn't, including Oregon. Keep it simple.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
Edwards lost six games and lost to Fresno State in the LV Bowl. Kelly hasn't done shit and encore performances fail at least as often as they succeed. I'll wait that one out. Wilcox? 1/2 a team. Oregon handled them thoroughly.
Cristobal stepped into a shit show and went 9-4 and beat the conference champs. He was in every loss but one, arguably two. Utah "basically beat" Northwestern in a game they lost by 11? Then you gotta give MC the moral victory for Stanford - a game that unraveled in spectacular fashion at the very end. One play away from nailing the coffin.
Oregon got better, everybody knows it, and then he followed that with a great recruiting class. If these facts were happening at Washington there would be no shutting you up. Hang him for Arizona and WSU? Sure. No argument. But then don't come tell me "but Utah" who lost to a loser team that couldn't handle Akron at home and "6 loss Herm can coach". GTFO with that selective ass reasoning.
You just have a bias. No big deal; it's your thing.
I'm not sure Oregon can do better by replacing him but let's not pretend Mario has done anything to actually justify quooking about the future. LIPO is the best argument you can make. -
The goalposts change with SAC constantly. The PAC is getting better because of coaching stability but coaching instability at Oregon doesn’t excuse losses @WSU and @Zona. This year will tell us a lot about Cristobal.creepycoug said:
It was a terrible post. As I just demonstrated. Usually the guy who drops the mic doesn't come back and tell the audience he dropped the mic. They know if it happened.StrongArmCobra said:
No contradictions man. That was a mic drop post. Thank you, come again.lawsandl said:
You talk too much and contradict yourself. You’re the idiot you’re railing against.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
6-loss Herm can coach? Great.
Moral victories against Akron/Duke-loser Northwestern? Chalk it up.
Cal plays TUFF defense? Oregon laid 42 on them at Berkeley with their retard QB, and left another easy 14 on the table.
Oregon got better. Whether they'll get better again remains to be seen.
I'd worry less about the P12, which is verifiable dog shit right now, and worry more about whether Pete can beat the big boys in January. Because everybody knows those last two losses had some 4th quarter lipstick applied to make them a little less ugly. -
Per advanced metrics consensus Oregon was worse in 2018 than they were in 2017, not everyone puts stock in those metrics but interesting none the less
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I think they were but they totally changed their scheme on offense. This year is probably a good baseline for Cristobal.Peterman said:Per advanced metrics consensus Oregon was worse in 2018 than they were in 2017, not everyone puts stock in those metrics but interesting none the less
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I fear you missed the point of that point. That the conference is shit is simply a fact. I assume you don't want to burn any gas on that point.UW_Doog_Bot said:
And c'mon man 9-4? I heard Mario should be fired if he didn't go 9-3 regular season with their cupcake OOC, soft schedule, and talent already in the cupboard. I guess beating Worshington and a team with no offense in the Red Box Bowl make up for that. That's some serious little brother, "Sark beat #2 USC" if I ever heard it. You also can't shit all over the conference and Washington then turn around and use those wins to justify Mario being a good head coach.creepycoug said:
I think this only exists in your mind. Most people understand conference games are unpredictable; and no reasonable fan has Oregon penciled in for anything. You let the fringe bother you too much. The rest is conjecture, rationalized bias and emphasis on relatively unimportant points. P12 sucks until it doesn't, including Oregon. Keep it simple.StrongArmCobra said:
Yeah, I consider a team that finishes 2nd in the Big-10 a pretty good team. They were basically the Utah of the Big-10 so naturally it was a closely contested game. Utah could have ran away with it but they let them back in the game and choked. It happens. Wasn't worse than Oregon's debacle against TCU but it happens.creepycoug said:
No, he just wants you to shut up. Everybody does.StrongArmCobra said:@oregonblitzkrieg Truth hurts. Enjoy the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl this season.
But that was a GOOD Northwestern team.
That's how we know the Pac 12 doesn't suck.
I never denied the Pac-12 has been down in terms of non-conference competitiveness in recent years. My point is there was a reason for it and that reason has been addressed. Any Oregon fan looking at the rest of the conference as mostly a cake walk for Oregon in the years to come is a total idiot. Oregon can't even beat WSU, UW is going to be a powerhouse, Stanford is consistently a 9-10 win team, and Cal now plays defense which will keep them competitive in most of their games. Down south Utah is obviously getting better every year. They play defense and put guys in the league. Obviously Chip Kelly knows what he's doing and UCLA will easily surpass what they were under Mora in a year or two. Herm looks like he can coach too. There is no cake walk for Oregon going forward. Most games in this conference are going to be a dawg fight and that includes for UW. There are very few easy wins to be had.
Idiots look at the recruiting rankings and say "obviously UW and Oregon are going to be the top-dawgs in the conference" and it's retarded. UW? Sure, we have a proven head coach. Oregon doesn't. They've been recruiting at a way higher level than WSU the past four years and have lost to them every single time. You have to have both the talent and the coaching and Cristobal is unproven as a coach so it's stupid to pencil in Oregon as a top-dawg until Cristobal proves he's not another Clay Helton-type moron riding the back of a future NFL QB he didn't sign.
Edwards lost six games and lost to Fresno State in the LV Bowl. Kelly hasn't done shit and encore performances fail at least as often as they succeed. I'll wait that one out. Wilcox? 1/2 a team. Oregon handled them thoroughly.
Cristobal stepped into a shit show and went 9-4 and beat the conference champs. He was in every loss but one, arguably two. Utah "basically beat" Northwestern in a game they lost by 11? Then you gotta give MC the moral victory for Stanford - a game that unraveled in spectacular fashion at the very end. One play away from nailing the coffin.
Oregon got better, everybody knows it, and then he followed that with a great recruiting class. If these facts were happening at Washington there would be no shutting you up. Hang him for Arizona and WSU? Sure. No argument. But then don't come tell me "but Utah" who lost to a loser team that couldn't handle Akron at home and "6 loss Herm can coach". GTFO with that selective ass reasoning.
You just have a bias. No big deal; it's your thing.
I'm not sure Oregon can do better by replacing him but let's not pretend Mario has done anything to actually justify quooking about the future. LIPO is the best argument you can make.
I've got a guy here apologizing for Utah and their moral victories, and telling me Herm can coach. I've got the same guy telling me Cristobal has done nothing to show he can coach. Cristobal beat 6-loss Herm, and Pete and Wilcox, and has his own moral victory to waive around since we're apparently buying into those now. He had one, maybe two, shit shows during the season. He recruited lights out afterward.
It's not world beater material by any means, but he just fucking got there.
As I said, false binaries, selective rationalizations and emphasis on unimportant facts. We can lampoon Crisco all day for Arizona and WSU, but then every single other coach in the conference, including Pete, have some splaining to do about their own shit shows.
And just to clear this up: anybody who thinks Oregon is a lock for anything is fucking stupid. But is it quooking to say they're trending in a good direction? I don't think so. Fuck, Pete was 4th in the North in year 2. Oregon was objectively better last season, and the program had been in shambles. There were better in almost every phase, disciplinary shit like penalties improved and MC validated his rep as a good recruiter. Like I said to ballz: if these facts were happening at Washington in the same context, people here would be very excited and hopeful. I've no doubt about it.
Of course it's LIPO. What else could it be?
