American Legion wins Cross case

DJDuck

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7-2 Ginsburg/Wise Latina desert.

Bendintheriver

Oh that is going to piss off the democrats! Nothing comes between their religion of politics. They will continue to attempt to destroy history, eradicate the mere mention of God in public and topple statues until their liberal politics are the only religion left. They remind me of the Taliban toppling ancient statues.

GreenRiverGatorz

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/731824045/supreme-court-cross-can-stand-on-public-land-in-separation-of-church-and-state-c

I'm pretty firmly on the side of separation of church and state, but I have no problem with this. It's a 100 year old war memorial. Challenge those monuments as they're made, because yes, they shouldn't be religious and on public land, but that ship sailed a long time ago in this particular case.

Sledog

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

RaceBannon

GreenRiverGatorz said:

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/731824045/supreme-court-cross-can-stand-on-public-land-in-separation-of-church-and-state-c

I'm pretty firmly on the side of separation of church and state, but I have no problem with this. It's a 100 year old war memorial. Challenge those monuments as they're made, because yes, they shouldn't be religious and on public land, but that ship sailed a long time ago in this particular case.

Looks like a reasonable ruling and 7-2 is a nice margin

Maybe just close the loop by maintaining the grounds with private funds. Set up a foundation. Plenty of people would donate

GreenRiverGatorz

RaceBannon said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/731824045/supreme-court-cross-can-stand-on-public-land-in-separation-of-church-and-state-c

I'm pretty firmly on the side of separation of church and state, but I have no problem with this. It's a 100 year old war memorial. Challenge those monuments as they're made, because yes, they shouldn't be religious and on public land, but that ship sailed a long time ago in this particular case.

Looks like a reasonable ruling and 7-2 is a nice margin

Maybe just close the loop by maintaining the grounds with private funds. Set up a foundation. Plenty of people would donate

Tons of options. The city could also just sell the 4'x4' parcel of land to any group for $1 so it's not on public land. There's so many easy solutions to this, but we have people out there who would rather sue and make a spectacle of it.

GreenRiverGatorz

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

Sledog

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

HHusky

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

There’s no mention of an Air Force in the Constitution either. It’s not a rule book; it’s an expression of principles.

YellowSnow

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

GreenRiverGatorz

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

Who said it was in there? It was a line first uttered by Thomas Jefferson and has since been cited in numerous Supreme Court cases and used as precedent since then by plenty of majorities. Everson v. Board of Education (1947) was probably the most explicit in setting it forth.

Anyways, you're hardly exploring new waters here. Most intro level poli sci classes would touch on this. Nothing is ever settled, even explicit Amendments, and there will never be consent with anything regarding the Constitution. But if you're trying to make the argument that the separation of church and state is not a founding principle of our country you'll find yourself in quite the minority in most legal circles. Unless you hang out with Jerry Falwell's legal team.

RaceBannon

Don't establish. Don't prohibit.

That's a separation. Its a protection quite honestly

State established religions are a way for the state to kill people with God's approval. No thanks

People of all religions and atheists died in our wars. Public money for the Crescent star or whatever our Muslims friends use? I have a feeling there could be an issue

Sledog

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

GreenRiverGatorz

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

So Supreme Court rulings and precedent set after 1789 don't mean anything?

Sledog

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

So Supreme Court rulings and precedent set after 1789 don't mean anything?

Hell no!

MikeDamone

RaceBannon said:

Don't establish. Don't prohibit.

That's a separation. Its a protection quite honestly

State established religions are a way for the state to kill people with God's approval. No thanks

People of all religions and atheists died in our wars. Public money for the Crescent star or whatever our Muslims friends use? I have a feeling there could be an issue

The entire bill of rights is protection. People forget that. That’s what they like to forget.

The constitution grants no rights.

GreenRiverGatorz

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

So Supreme Court rulings and precedent set after 1789 don't mean anything?

Hell no!

I've always enjoyed your honesty.

MikeDamone

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

So Supreme Court rulings and precedent set after 1789 don't mean anything?

Hell no!

I've always enjoyed your honesty.

You’ve always been one of my favorite posters.

RaceBannon

MikeDamone said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

So Supreme Court rulings and precedent set after 1789 don't mean anything?

Hell no!

I've always enjoyed your honesty.

You’ve always been one of my favorite posters.

Not a classy poster?

MikeDamone

RaceBannon said:

MikeDamone said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

So Supreme Court rulings and precedent set after 1789 don't mean anything?

Hell no!

I've always enjoyed your honesty.

You’ve always been one of my favorite posters.

Not a classy poster?

Nebraska classy. Always well thought out posts.

Sledog

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

GreenRiverGatorz said:

Sledog said:

Separation of church and state doesn't mean what many think it means.

Okay I'll bite. Worst case we get some classic Sledog one liners. Care to expand?

I'll bite, Show me that line in the constitution.

What they (the founders) meant was they was not going to be an official "state" religion in the US, akin to the Church of England or Roman Catholic Church in other places in Europe.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Crosses on memorials on government property gets a little murky, but I don't have an issue with it in this instance.

Bingo! No state religion. That is it. Nothing else. All this I'm offended shoot needs to stop.

So Supreme Court rulings and precedent set after 1789 don't mean anything?

Hell no!

I've always enjoyed your honesty.

The court ous during way too much legislating from the bench.