A billion dollars for Durant?!?
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This is what i was thinking. Kawhai fits perfectly personality wise with Klay and Steph and also brings elite defense.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale.
The problem is everyone knows KD is going to sign that 31.5 million dollar player option and absolutely fuck there ability to do much in free agency.
If they could clear KD salary, trade Green, and renegotiate Iguodala to a lower salary they could do some pretty crazy things like sign Kawhi.
Hypothetical IF:
Drop KD and clear the cap space.
Trade away Green for for whatever you can get plus a 1st round pick. (no idea what the market would be)
Resign Looney
Sign FA Brook Lopez who is a big that can shoot 3s and probably isnt too expensive
Sign Patrick Beverly, can be your new lightening rod for the team, plays good defense, and will be cheap
Draft some lanky 4 in mid 1st like Kabengele, Hachimura, or Clarke and then Tybulle as specialist defender late 1st round.
Steph and Kawhi are good enough to carry the team until Klay comes back and makes them busted again.
Bigs: Lopez and Looney
Wings: Kawhi and Klay
PG: Steph
Bench: Iguodala, Livingston, Beverly, Kabengele, Thybulle
I dont think its tooooo much a stretch....? -
Maybe they score what the Spurs did when Robinson got hurt. You gut the roster let KD and Klay rehab and sit Curry for a number of "nagging injuries" throughout the year. Let everyones body recover and then unleash three rested, rehabbed hall of famers on the league in 2020/21. If the tank job gets them enough losses maybe they win the lottery like SA did and you plug in a young franchise player that lends you flexibility moving forward as your assets age while piling up a couple more rings. A lot of stuff would have to fall right but it did happen once.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale. -
zero chance KD takes the player option as he can get more from anyone including the warriors. The only way they could get Kwahi is in a sign and trade. Maybe include Green in the sign and trade?Houhusky said:
This is what i was thinking. Kawhai fits perfectly personality wise with Klay and Steph and also brings elite defense.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale.
The problem is everyone knows KD is going to sign that 31.5 million dollar player option and absolutely fuck there ability to do much in free agency.
If they could clear KD salary, trade Green, and renegotiate Iguodala to a lower salary they could do some pretty crazy things like sign Kawhi.
Hypothetical IF:
Drop KD and clear the cap space.
Trade away Green for for whatever you can get plus a 1st round pick. (no idea what the market would be)
Resign Looney
Sign FA Brook Lopez who is a big that can shoot 3s and probably isnt too expensive
Sign Patrick Beverly, can be your new lightening rod for the team, plays good defense, and will be cheap
Draft some lanky 4 in mid 1st like Kabengele, Hachimura, or Clarke and then Tybulle as specialist defender late 1st round.
Steph and Kawhi are good enough to carry the team until Klay comes back and makes them busted again.
Bigs: Lopez and Looney
Wings: Kawhi and Klay
PG: Steph
Bench: Iguodala, Livingston, Beverly, Kabengele, Thybulle
I dont think its tooooo much a stretch....? -
Not paying attention. GS owners are all multi billionaires. They give zero fucks about luxury tax.GDS said:
No way GS could sign Kawhi unless it was a sign and trade and they would have to deal one of the 4 stars to make the financials work. Even if they let both KD and Klay walk they still dont have the cap space to sign a max player.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale.
It’s all about the valuation. -
GS can't go over the cap to sign a FA, they can only go over the cap to resign their own players. Even if they renounced the rights to Klay AND KD they still don't have room under the cap to sign a max player. The only way GS could acquire Kwahi is with a sign and trade and it has nothing to do with the luxury tax.PurpleThrobber said:
Not paying attention. GS owners are all multi billionaires. They give zero fucks about luxury tax.GDS said:
No way GS could sign Kawhi unless it was a sign and trade and they would have to deal one of the 4 stars to make the financials work. Even if they let both KD and Klay walk they still dont have the cap space to sign a max player.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale.
It’s all about the valuation. -
This is correct. They probably could get max space without KD, Klay and trading or stretching Iggy or Livingston.GDS said:
GS can't go over the cap to sign a FA, they can only go over the cap to resign their own players. Even if they renounced the rights to Klay AND KD they still don't have room under the cap to sign a max player. The only way GS could acquire Kwahi is with a sign and trade and it has nothing to do with the luxury tax.PurpleThrobber said:
Not paying attention. GS owners are all multi billionaires. They give zero fucks about luxury tax.GDS said:
No way GS could sign Kawhi unless it was a sign and trade and they would have to deal one of the 4 stars to make the financials work. Even if they let both KD and Klay walk they still dont have the cap space to sign a max player.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale.
It’s all about the valuation. -
Kawhi isn't going to GS after beating them so I'm not sure why this is a conversation anyway.
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I said it was a 'hail mary'. Not that they could do it.GDS said:
GS can't go over the cap to sign a FA, they can only go over the cap to resign their own players. Even if they renounced the rights to Klay AND KD they still don't have room under the cap to sign a max player. The only way GS could acquire Kwahi is with a sign and trade and it has nothing to do with the luxury tax.PurpleThrobber said:
Not paying attention. GS owners are all multi billionaires. They give zero fucks about luxury tax.GDS said:
No way GS could sign Kawhi unless it was a sign and trade and they would have to deal one of the 4 stars to make the financials work. Even if they let both KD and Klay walk they still dont have the cap space to sign a max player.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale.
It’s all about the valuation.
But my point remains about GS owners not being bothered by the luxury tax. To them it's a cost of doing business.
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I don't think GS will re-sign Durant. They are better off with a healthy core group of Dray, Klay and Steph, Looney. I'd keep Iggy until He quit
Obviously losing KD and then having to retool was tough on them once they couldn't play Portland every night. I'm not real sure that GS wins with a Healthy Durant but it's 50/50.
I credit GS losing more to the downgrade in role players over the years. They were bringing former all stars off of the bench at the beginning of their run. This year they had to bring in guys like Bell, Quinn Cook, Bogut, Jaremko and McKinnie. Big difference in the quality of player there. -
I think people undervalue Draymond Green and misclassify Steph as a PG. After all Draymond brings the ball up more and makes more plays at the top for others than Steph. Steph has great handle but is almost always looking to score. If the W's lose Draymond's defense, passing and rebounding, they are a different team and not for the better.Houhusky said:
This is what i was thinking. Kawhai fits perfectly personality wise with Klay and Steph and also brings elite defense.PurpleThrobber said:
This is exactly why you re-sign KD (or try to). GS will eat shit for a year while KD and Klay re-hab. Steph is going to get the shit beat out of him next year. GS is gonna semi-suck next year - letting KD walk puts the entire concept of uncertainty back in play. And the uncertainty of KD coming back healthy is a lot less than the uncertainty of whoever the fuck GS can attract via free agency, trades or the draft. KD is still gonna be 7'0" tall, he's still gonna be able to get a shot off over any human on the planet. He's still gonna be barely 30 years old...at LEAST 8 years left in his basketball body. It's not like he's playing in the 80's and 90's and getting physically manhandled every night by Rodman or Anthony Mason.FreeChavez said:Even without the injury, they should let one of the four go(and my guy would be green prior to injury). Green's attitude eventually wears thin on everyone, and you can always find a very good defender for much cheaper than you'll find any of the talent such as klay, steph, KD.
With KD's injury, I would let him walk this year. If he hadn't been hurt I could see signing him to make a couple more runs, but with his injury you're going to pay a ridiculous amount of $ for a guy who won't play in year one of his deal. There are also no historical examples of players staying elite after this injury. Putting that much $ into a guy on the off chance he's the first guy to come back isn't a risk that good franchises make.
This is one of those moments where historically good franchises(like the patriots) cut bait on a player maybe one year too soon, but lets them compete for a decade longer. They would be best to keep at least curry/klay and at least green for remainder of his contract and then fill in the roster with pieces which can help if there are injuries. Steph isn't the pillar of health and age isn't going to exactly shine brightly on improving his ability to stay on the floor. Getting guys to keep them in games and let curry play a little less will be more of the Spurs model and how they stayed good for 10+ years.
Now, if GS can pull a hail mary and sign Kawhi, well, that's a different tale.
The problem is everyone knows KD is going to sign that 31.5 million dollar player option and absolutely fuck there ability to do much in free agency.
If they could clear KD salary, trade Green, and renegotiate Iguodala to a lower salary they could do some pretty crazy things like sign Kawhi.
Hypothetical IF:
Drop KD and clear the cap space.
Trade away Green for for whatever you can get plus a 1st round pick. (no idea what the market would be)
Resign Looney
Sign FA Brook Lopez who is a big that can shoot 3s and probably isnt too expensive
Sign Patrick Beverly, can be your new lightening rod for the team, plays good defense, and will be cheap
Draft some lanky 4 in mid 1st like Kabengele, Hachimura, or Clarke and then Tybulle as specialist defender late 1st round.
Steph and Kawhi are good enough to carry the team until Klay comes back and makes them busted again.
Bigs: Lopez and Looney
Wings: Kawhi and Klay
PG: Steph
Bench: Iguodala, Livingston, Beverly, Kabengele, Thybulle
I dont think its tooooo much a stretch....?
