ESPN preseason #16

theknowledge

I normally dislike ESPN but Borzello GETS IT!!! He says UW loses a lot of senior leadership but recognizes that the talent replacing those guys is superior. He states that Stewart is the most college ready player coming in next year. He also seems to get that Hopkins is a winner and that winners win. We are trending in the right direction even in an east coast rag like ESPN.

UW_Doog_Bot

But how does this help Football?

theknowledge

Heres the link.

UW_Doog_Bot

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Houhusky

There sure is a lot of PosiDawg feelings around here lately. A lot of these things are assuming the best outcomes. Things could fall apart soooooo easily.

McDaniels could easily go somewhere else, Nowell actually leaves (likely imo), and it turns out Battle isnt ready to contribute.

Maybe Al-Quade isn’t actually all that good, basically just another Gaddy, but is also a quitter?

Wright still used as press break, Losing Thybulle hurts the zone a ton.

Hardy and Naz are primary ball handlers for first half of season, guard play is abysmal, and we tank OOC play. Or worse, Hardy or Naz get injured and some waterboy actually has to play some at PG.

Stewart gets injured and Timmons plays major mins (or until he fouls out with 8 mins left in 1st half)

Pac-12 perception continues to be incredibly low (1 or 2 bid league).

Oregon and Arizona are legitimately good.

Dig hole too deep in preseason play and not good enough to win conference against Zona/Oregon.

The season is almost entirely reliant on a high school superstar, but shorter, true freshman center, a player who isnt even committed, and a PG that quit mid season last year and is sitting the first half of the season.

We could have another season where our best win is Utah State and we are lucky to limp into the tournament or turn out to be a top 10 team depending on how things come together.

FireCohen

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

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backthepack

McDaniels isn’t going somewhere else tho

2001400ex

backthepack said:

McDaniels isn’t going somewhere else tho

You keep saying that. You going to open a game day thread for his recruitment?


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backthepack

2001400ex said:

backthepack said:

McDaniels isn’t going somewhere else tho

You keep saying that. You going to open a game day thread for his recruitment?


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My source has told me it’s a lock

UW_Doog_Bot

backthepack said:

2001400ex said:

backthepack said:

McDaniels isn’t going somewhere else tho

You keep saying that. You going to open a game day thread for his recruitment?


Doomed.gif

My source has told me it’s a lock

Grandma or the barber? Important detail.

2001400ex

UW_Doog_Bot said:

backthepack said:

2001400ex said:

backthepack said:

McDaniels isn’t going somewhere else tho

You keep saying that. You going to open a game day thread for his recruitment?


Doomed.gif

My source has told me it’s a lock

Grandma or the barber? Important detail.

His homie.

backthepack

2001400ex said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

backthepack said:

2001400ex said:

backthepack said:

McDaniels isn’t going somewhere else tho

You keep saying that. You going to open a game day thread for his recruitment?


Doomed.gif

My source has told me it’s a lock

Grandma or the barber? Important detail.

His homie.

Nah not him. Someone close to Isaiah Stewart and he’s friends with Hop

bigcc

UW_Doog_Bot said:

But how does this help Football?

I realize that you are being sarcastic, but it really was nice to see all of the football recruits at basketball games last season

Edwin_Bambino

Houhusky said:

There sure is a lot of PosiDawg feelings around here lately. A lot of these things are assuming the best outcomes. Things could fall apart soooooo easily.

McDaniels could easily go somewhere else, Nowell actually leaves (likely imo), and it turns out Battle isnt ready to contribute.

Maybe Al-Quade isn’t actually all that good, basically just another Gaddy, but is also a quitter?

Wright still used as press break, Losing Thybulle hurts the zone a ton.

Hardy and Naz are primary ball handlers for first half of season, guard play is abysmal, and we tank OOC play. Or worse, Hardy or Naz get injured and some waterboy actually has to play some at PG.

Stewart gets injured and Timmons plays major mins (or until he fouls out with 8 mins left in 1st half)

Pac-12 perception continues to be incredibly low (1 or 2 bid league).

Oregon and Arizona are legitimately good.

Dig hole too deep in preseason play and not good enough to win conference against Zona/Oregon.

The season is almost entirely reliant on a high school superstar, but shorter, true freshman center, a player who isnt even committed, and a PG that quit mid season last year and is sitting the first half of the season.

We could have another season where our best win is Utah State and we are lucky to limp into the tournament or turn out to be a top 10 team depending on how things come together.

Nightmare fuel

HillsboroDuck

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Sweet 16. Taking a step forward is all you can reasonably expect. Anything beyond that is gravy.

UW_Doog_Bot

HillsboroDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Sweet 16. Taking a step forward is all you can reasonably expect. Anything beyond that is gravy.

If we land Stewart per @RhythmicSlappingDawg is a Sweet 16 really the best we can expect?

jhfstyle24

UW_Doog_Bot said:

HillsboroDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Sweet 16. Taking a step forward is all you can reasonably expect. Anything beyond that is gravy.

If we land Stewart per @RhythmicSlappingDawg is a Sweet 16 really the best we can expect?

Assume you mean McDaniels.

With how random the tournament is I would say Sweet 16 is probably the medium expectation. Personally I would expect an Elite 8 from Green-Nowell-Naz-McDaniels-Stewart when you have Hardy-Bey-Battle-Wright-Timmins on the bench. Then there are guys like Tsohonis and BPJ. Elite 8 is my expectation but Sweet 16 is probably more reasonable just given how random shit can be (see: Fletcher Magee going 0-12 from three vs Kentucky, Auburn nearly losing to NMSU, Virginia nearly losing to everybody).

HillsboroDuck

UW_Doog_Bot said:

HillsboroDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Sweet 16. Taking a step forward is all you can reasonably expect. Anything beyond that is gravy.

If we land Stewart per @RhythmicSlappingDawg is a Sweet 16 really the best we can expect?

It's not the best I am hoping for but most places don't even have us as a top 25 team without McDaniels. He's good but he's not making us a surefire Elite 8 squad as a freshman.

Anything less than Sweet 16 I'll be disappointed, anything more than Sweet 16 I'll be thrilled.

dawgs206

HillsboroDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Sweet 16. Taking a step forward is all you can reasonably expect. Anything beyond that is gravy.

This past year I thought we exceeded expectations and while that is great, I never thought we were a threat to make a run in the tourney. The offense was just too inconsistent and the holes on our roster were pretty big. Undersized bigs, no true PG, and the offense (which was very middling, even for PAC-12 standards).

If Nowell comes back and we get McDaniels we fill most of the holes on the roster. I think we have a PG in Quade. In the very least he should be an improvement in breaking a press, in transition, decision making, and hopefully distributing, though his Kentucky distributing numbers weren't that impressive. Our offense would be much more dynamic with a Junior Nowell, a college-made player in Stewart, a very tough guard in McDaniels, and a more mature Naz. We'll finally have bigs with some size in BPJ and Roberts (this doesn't count Stewart and his 7'4" wingspan) and even if they are very raw on offense, which I suspect, they can help us be better than 11th in the PAC-12 in RPG. We definitely will be young, but I think we'd actually have the pieces to potentially make a run and I was just happy to make the dance this year. You never know what will happen in March, but that team on paper can problems on both ends of the court.

I've seen a lot of people mention Battle as an instant impact player and I hope that's the case, but I'm not sure it will be. He was rated similarly to Bey coming out of high school and actually had fewer offers. I think he'll be a hell of a player eventually, but it usually takes a year or two for most players to adjust to the college game. I see him as a less talented Terrence Ross.

HillsboroDuck

dawgs206 said:

HillsboroDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Sweet 16. Taking a step forward is all you can reasonably expect. Anything beyond that is gravy.

This past year I thought we exceeded expectations and while that is great, I never thought we were a threat to make a run in the tourney. The offense was just too inconsistent and the holes on our roster were pretty big. Undersized bigs, no true PG, and the offense (which was very middling, even for PAC-12 standards).

If Nowell comes back and we get McDaniels we fill most of the holes on the roster. I think we have a PG in Quade. In the very least he should be an improvement in breaking a press, in transition, decision making, and hopefully distributing, though his Kentucky distributing numbers weren't that impressive. Our offense would be much more dynamic with a Junior Nowell, a college-made player in Stewart, a very tough guard in McDaniels, and a more mature Naz. We'll finally have bigs with some size in BPJ and Roberts (this doesn't count Stewart and his 7'4" wingspan) and even if they are very raw on offense, which I suspect, they can help us be better than 11th in the PAC-12 in RPG. We definitely will be young, but I think we'd actually have the pieces to potentially make a run and I was just happy to make the dance this year. You never know what will happen in March, but that team on paper can problems on both ends of the court.

I've seen a lot of people mention Battle as an instant impact player and I hope that's the case, but I'm not sure it will be. He was rated similarly to Bey coming out of high school and actually had fewer offers. I think he'll be a hell of a player eventually, but it usually takes a year or two for most players to adjust to the college game. I see him as a less talented Terrence Ross.

Nowell's not coming back

dawgs206

HillsboroDuck said:

dawgs206 said:

HillsboroDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

So I think the "preseason standard for success" this year was this team making the tourney. Check.

What's next year's standard for success? Sweet Sixteen? Eight? Four? Definitely have the expectation of winning the conference and making the tourney as the lowest bar to clear.

Sweet 16. Taking a step forward is all you can reasonably expect. Anything beyond that is gravy.

This past year I thought we exceeded expectations and while that is great, I never thought we were a threat to make a run in the tourney. The offense was just too inconsistent and the holes on our roster were pretty big. Undersized bigs, no true PG, and the offense (which was very middling, even for PAC-12 standards).

If Nowell comes back and we get McDaniels we fill most of the holes on the roster. I think we have a PG in Quade. In the very least he should be an improvement in breaking a press, in transition, decision making, and hopefully distributing, though his Kentucky distributing numbers weren't that impressive. Our offense would be much more dynamic with a Junior Nowell, a college-made player in Stewart, a very tough guard in McDaniels, and a more mature Naz. We'll finally have bigs with some size in BPJ and Roberts (this doesn't count Stewart and his 7'4" wingspan) and even if they are very raw on offense, which I suspect, they can help us be better than 11th in the PAC-12 in RPG. We definitely will be young, but I think we'd actually have the pieces to potentially make a run and I was just happy to make the dance this year. You never know what will happen in March, but that team on paper can problems on both ends of the court.

I've seen a lot of people mention Battle as an instant impact player and I hope that's the case, but I'm not sure it will be. He was rated similarly to Bey coming out of high school and actually had fewer offers. I think he'll be a hell of a player eventually, but it usually takes a year or two for most players to adjust to the college game. I see him as a less talented Terrence Ross.

Nowell's not coming back

You’re probably right. His twitter post didn’t make it seem like he was just testing the waters.

If he does leave, 25-30 range probably. Without Nowell and McDaniels... no bueno.