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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Feel the cost cutting:

    Medicare Spending was $502 Billion in 2008 in 2017 it was $702 Billion. Medicaid Spending was $374 Billion in 2008 in 2016 it was $553 Billion. Feel the cost cutting.


    This is like when Hondo blow Obama for his "fiscal austerity" because he reduced multi trillion dollar deficit spending to spending that was only $600 billion in deficit spending.

    The fact that Obama jacked it up to over a trillion dollars a year in the first place is never mentioned
    Again Bob hates context. What is the cost per participant? Dontcha think there was a few more people on the program in 2017? Not to mention inflation.

    You seriously are an idiot.
    Hondo loves to lie.
    Ok Bob. Explain what my lie is.
    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
    So you called me a liar but won't actually say what I lied about. Pussy.
    I quoted what you lied about liar.
    Oh so that's what you were talking about. So I am right that you are an idiot and lack context on your "facts". Thanks for clarifying
    No, you’re a pathological liar that no one should ever believe a word you say.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Feel the cost cutting:

    Medicare Spending was $502 Billion in 2008 in 2017 it was $702 Billion. Medicaid Spending was $374 Billion in 2008 in 2016 it was $553 Billion. Feel the cost cutting.


    This is like when Hondo blow Obama for his "fiscal austerity" because he reduced multi trillion dollar deficit spending to spending that was only $600 billion in deficit spending.

    The fact that Obama jacked it up to over a trillion dollars a year in the first place is never mentioned
    Again Bob hates context. What is the cost per participant? Dontcha think there was a few more people on the program in 2017? Not to mention inflation.

    You seriously are an idiot.
    Hondo loves to lie.
    Ok Bob. Explain what my lie is.
    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
    So you called me a liar but won't actually say what I lied about. Pussy.
    I quoted what you lied about liar.
    Oh so that's what you were talking about. So I am right that you are an idiot and lack context on your "facts". Thanks for clarifying
    No, you’re a pathological liar that no one should ever believe a word you say.
    White flag. Lil lyin Bob finally admits to blatantly lying.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Feel the cost cutting:

    Medicare Spending was $502 Billion in 2008 in 2017 it was $702 Billion. Medicaid Spending was $374 Billion in 2008 in 2016 it was $553 Billion. Feel the cost cutting.


    This is like when Hondo blow Obama for his "fiscal austerity" because he reduced multi trillion dollar deficit spending to spending that was only $600 billion in deficit spending.

    The fact that Obama jacked it up to over a trillion dollars a year in the first place is never mentioned
    Again Bob hates context. What is the cost per participant? Dontcha think there was a few more people on the program in 2017? Not to mention inflation.

    You seriously are an idiot.
    Hondo loves to lie.
    Ok Bob. Explain what my lie is.
    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
    So you called me a liar but won't actually say what I lied about. Pussy.
    I quoted what you lied about liar.
    Oh so that's what you were talking about. So I am right that you are an idiot and lack context on your "facts". Thanks for clarifying
    It's cute that you think "context" will somehow absolve you of your ubiquitous fabrications.

    You are a pathological liar.

    Simple fact. Case closed. End of discussion.



    If you really cared about making this world a better place, you would kill yourself.

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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Feel the cost cutting:

    Medicare Spending was $502 Billion in 2008 in 2017 it was $702 Billion. Medicaid Spending was $374 Billion in 2008 in 2016 it was $553 Billion. Feel the cost cutting.


    This is like when Hondo blow Obama for his "fiscal austerity" because he reduced multi trillion dollar deficit spending to spending that was only $600 billion in deficit spending.

    The fact that Obama jacked it up to over a trillion dollars a year in the first place is never mentioned
    Again Bob hates context. What is the cost per participant? Dontcha think there was a few more people on the program in 2017? Not to mention inflation.

    You seriously are an idiot.
    Hondo loves to lie.
    Ok Bob. Explain what my lie is.
    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
    So you called me a liar but won't actually say what I lied about. Pussy.
    I quoted what you lied about liar.
    Oh so that's what you were talking about. So I am right that you are an idiot and lack context on your "facts". Thanks for clarifying
    No, you’re a pathological liar that no one should ever believe a word you say.
    White flag. Lil lyin Bob finally admits to blatantly lying.
    Another lie from Hondo.
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  • 2001400ex
    2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Feel the cost cutting:

    Medicare Spending was $502 Billion in 2008 in 2017 it was $702 Billion. Medicaid Spending was $374 Billion in 2008 in 2016 it was $553 Billion. Feel the cost cutting.


    This is like when Hondo blow Obama for his "fiscal austerity" because he reduced multi trillion dollar deficit spending to spending that was only $600 billion in deficit spending.

    The fact that Obama jacked it up to over a trillion dollars a year in the first place is never mentioned
    Again Bob hates context. What is the cost per participant? Dontcha think there was a few more people on the program in 2017? Not to mention inflation.

    You seriously are an idiot.
    Hondo loves to lie.
    Ok Bob. Explain what my lie is.
    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
    So you called me a liar but won't actually say what I lied about. Pussy.
    I quoted what you lied about liar.
    Oh so that's what you were talking about. So I am right that you are an idiot and lack context on your "facts". Thanks for clarifying
    No, you’re a pathological liar that no one should ever believe a word you say.
    White flag. Lil lyin Bob finally admits to blatantly lying.
    Another lie from Hondo.
    Bob. I'll give you one more chance to show how I was lying about Medicare costs.
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,515 Founders Club
    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    SFGbob said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Feel the cost cutting:

    Medicare Spending was $502 Billion in 2008 in 2017 it was $702 Billion. Medicaid Spending was $374 Billion in 2008 in 2016 it was $553 Billion. Feel the cost cutting.


    This is like when Hondo blow Obama for his "fiscal austerity" because he reduced multi trillion dollar deficit spending to spending that was only $600 billion in deficit spending.

    The fact that Obama jacked it up to over a trillion dollars a year in the first place is never mentioned
    Again Bob hates context. What is the cost per participant? Dontcha think there was a few more people on the program in 2017? Not to mention inflation.

    You seriously are an idiot.
    Hondo loves to lie.
    Ok Bob. Explain what my lie is.
    And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump.
    So you called me a liar but won't actually say what I lied about. Pussy.
    I quoted what you lied about liar.
    Oh so that's what you were talking about. So I am right that you are an idiot and lack context on your "facts". Thanks for clarifying
    No, you’re a pathological liar that no one should ever believe a word you say.
    White flag. Lil lyin Bob finally admits to blatantly lying.
    Another lie from Hondo.
    Bob. I'll give you one more chance to show how I was lying about Medicare costs.
    Or what?




    Pathological fucking liar.

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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Federal revenue is at an all time high... But yeah, tax cuts!
    You've oft stated Damone that #taxationistheft . And to some extend I'd agree with you. But I tell you what - if we keep running these massive deficits - and at this point they are a bi-partisan problem - and the guvmint has to use MMT to inflate the problem away I'm gonna be pretty god damned pissed. #inflationisthefttoo
    So, here's the thing, I'm against government largess for reasons of efficiency, free markets, blah blah blah and I think anyone who has spent time in the tug knows I'm no tax and spend liberal

    buuuuuuutttt we've essentially convinced the rest of the world to use our currency as the world reserve currency(for historical reasons we are probably the only meaningful country to never default on its debt, thank you George Washington). That means that we are effectively able to finance our debt at negative rates while the rest of the world gets a safe haven for their stored value.

    This is like boosters offering recruits loans at negative interest rates, we can use it to buy a new camaro, a sound system, strip clubs, etc. or we could also use it to pay our tuition, buy a house, or start a business.

    Sure, we can spend the excess cash on entitlements to short-term boost the consumption of a select group of citizens, or we can invest the money in areas the government is actually an effective agent at growing long term productivity(R&D for example), which will further spur GDP growth which will ultimately reduce our debt to income ratio as well.
    Yes, I'm well aware of all of the above. But I am concerned that it can't go on forever my fren. What happens when debt hits 200% of GDP and the foreigners want more interest to buy our? t-bills? To date, we've been able to service our massive debt on the cheap, but if the interest we have to pay starts to increase dramatically the slice of the pie going simply to debt service is going to get ugly.
    This is why we should be investing in things that grow production. Think of it like taking out loans for medical school or an MBA. Sure, your short term debt to income ratio will suffer but your long term earnings increase dramatically.

    Paying down the current debt would be much more painful than simply growing our way out of it. Why do you think our current debt to GDP ratio is so much healthier than most of the developed world?

    Also, as I said, that's why entitlements are much more dangerous than investments. You can fairly easily quit further capital investments. Ending entitlements produces riots.
    A lot the Euro fag and Japan debt issues are related to low growth because they stopped making babies.

    But again we’re dealing in hypotheticals here and I think we’re past our point of growing our way out of this problem. We’ve done it twice in our relatively recent history - i.e., post WWII and in the 90s. Both periods involved massive defense spending cuts. In the former, the only entitlement was SS and most peeps died in their early 60s. In the latter we got a major boost from Moore’s Law productivity growth and Race wasn’t an AARP member yet.
    Sure, it's also because of anemic growth rates. Chicken and Egg.


    So, because we have real world examples of doing it twice relatively recently in our history, it's a bad policy. Come again?

    It's not as if these are random spontaneous events sprouting from the forehead of Zeus.

    Shit, who in the 80's would think the internet would create the economic boom that it did? DARPA funding and research...

    Or before that, personal computers. Investment and research in micro processors...


    Think of the economic growth fusion, or safe fission, or true renewables would create.

    AI could remake all kinds of sectors of the economy in a similar fashion.

    Quantum computing, 3D printing, Biotech and bioprinting, augmented reality, private civilian rocket travel, etc.

    There's plenty of places the next economic revolution could come from.
    Or the robots could enslave us. Which would also remake the economy. I like the idea of white slaves.
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  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Swaye said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    YellowSnow said:

    MikeDamone said:

    2001400ex said:

    He is partially right. Medicare and Medicaid had cost cutting moves under Obamacare. Social security needs to be tackled now. But all three are increasing drastically because of baby boomers.

    He does leave out the moves the last two years that have hurt the deficit. Being the tax cuts, increase in military spending, repealing the individual mandate.

    Federal revenue is at an all time high... But yeah, tax cuts!
    You've oft stated Damone that #taxationistheft . And to some extend I'd agree with you. But I tell you what - if we keep running these massive deficits - and at this point they are a bi-partisan problem - and the guvmint has to use MMT to inflate the problem away I'm gonna be pretty god damned pissed. #inflationisthefttoo
    So, here's the thing, I'm against government largess for reasons of efficiency, free markets, blah blah blah and I think anyone who has spent time in the tug knows I'm no tax and spend liberal

    buuuuuuutttt we've essentially convinced the rest of the world to use our currency as the world reserve currency(for historical reasons we are probably the only meaningful country to never default on its debt, thank you George Washington). That means that we are effectively able to finance our debt at negative rates while the rest of the world gets a safe haven for their stored value.

    This is like boosters offering recruits loans at negative interest rates, we can use it to buy a new camaro, a sound system, strip clubs, etc. or we could also use it to pay our tuition, buy a house, or start a business.

    Sure, we can spend the excess cash on entitlements to short-term boost the consumption of a select group of citizens, or we can invest the money in areas the government is actually an effective agent at growing long term productivity(R&D for example), which will further spur GDP growth which will ultimately reduce our debt to income ratio as well.
    Yes, I'm well aware of all of the above. But I am concerned that it can't go on forever my fren. What happens when debt hits 200% of GDP and the foreigners want more interest to buy our? t-bills? To date, we've been able to service our massive debt on the cheap, but if the interest we have to pay starts to increase dramatically the slice of the pie going simply to debt service is going to get ugly.
    This is why we should be investing in things that grow production. Think of it like taking out loans for medical school or an MBA. Sure, your short term debt to income ratio will suffer but your long term earnings increase dramatically.

    Paying down the current debt would be much more painful than simply growing our way out of it. Why do you think our current debt to GDP ratio is so much healthier than most of the developed world?

    Also, as I said, that's why entitlements are much more dangerous than investments. You can fairly easily quit further capital investments. Ending entitlements produces riots.
    A lot the Euro fag and Japan debt issues are related to low growth because they stopped making babies.

    But again we’re dealing in hypotheticals here and I think we’re past our point of growing our way out of this problem. We’ve done it twice in our relatively recent history - i.e., post WWII and in the 90s. Both periods involved massive defense spending cuts. In the former, the only entitlement was SS and most peeps died in their early 60s. In the latter we got a major boost from Moore’s Law productivity growth and Race wasn’t an AARP member yet.
    Sure, it's also because of anemic growth rates. Chicken and Egg.


    So, because we have real world examples of doing it twice relatively recently in our history, it's a bad policy. Come again?

    It's not as if these are random spontaneous events sprouting from the forehead of Zeus.

    Shit, who in the 80's would think the internet would create the economic boom that it did? DARPA funding and research...

    Or before that, personal computers. Investment and research in micro processors...


    Think of the economic growth fusion, or safe fission, or true renewables would create.

    AI could remake all kinds of sectors of the economy in a similar fashion.

    Quantum computing, 3D printing, Biotech and bioprinting, augmented reality, private civilian rocket travel, etc.

    There's plenty of places the next economic revolution could come from.
    Or the robots could enslave us. Which would also remake the economy. I like the idea of white slaves.
    Or do other stuff while they enslave us


    My Westworld fantasies are in overdrive.
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