Would you consider these groups "Heavy Metal"?
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WTF'd for comparing Iron Maiden to guns n roses. Jesus.Purple_Pills said:Is Iron Maiden “heavy metal?” As a kid viewing their album covers I thought so. As an adult after to listening to many of their concert staples such as “Fear of the Dark,” “Powerslave,” “Hollowed be thy Name,” “When the Wild Blows,” etc. I think they are more epic rock (ala GnR) than heavy/death metal. Maybe years of Rock music have numbed me. Stuff like Slayer, Pantera, GWAR, etc. = heavy metal for sure.
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Sorry Brosiv. Not meaning to come at you.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Broski, I put Deep Purple down as a yes so Idk why you coming at me like this. Sabbath was the first true "heavy metal" band by most people's reckoning. There are bands that put out records or songs that sounded "Heavy Metal" before that but they were the first to really define the sound and genre consistently which inspired a whole lot of others. As with all things art there's going to be some arbitrary divide where things get a bit messy and reasonable people can disagree about what is this and what is that.YellowSnow said:
So basically football wasn’t invented till 1994 and Metal wasn’t invented until the late 70s and early 1980s with the first Motörhead, Iron Maiden and Metallica records? This is simply not historically accurate. The genre was birthed in 1969 with the first LZ and Sabbath recordings which were a huge departure from the heavy blues rock of Cream, Jeff Beck and Hendrix. Sabbath and Zeppelin may sound quaint in comparison to Metallica but they were heavy as fuck for the time. And the people listeing at the time called it heavy metal.UW_Doog_Bot said:Yes (or predecessor to what would become metal)
No, soccer moms might disagree. A great band but only heavy for those looking from the outside in. Rock n roll all the way.
Van Halen is borderline. "Glam Metal" if they are. They are a part of the "pop metal" that drove the heavy sounds and darker tone of other groups resisting "pop-metal" and the assimilation to mainstream media. Whitesnake, guns n' roses, winger...
Definite No for me. Zepp is hard/heavy rock. I'd put them in a similar category to deep purple but less "Metal". They DID have a big influence on what would become metal but I would never put them there as a "metal" band.
In no list of "top metal bands" would you ever see anyone other than Deep Purple which given the success of these bands, you'd expect them to unseat someone like Manowar(who regularly makes top 50 lists but is nothing special).
I posed the question because I find it chinteresting the difference between contemporary half brain metal head opinion as to what vs falls into the genre vs what the rock history books told me growing up. When I listen to songs like Communication Breakdown or Whole Lotta Love I hear the birth of the genre just as much as I do when I listen to the early Sabbath albums. Same with Deep Purple.
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Sabbath is the progenitor for heavy metal. Zep and Deep Purple were huge influences on several metal bands of the 80s, but Sabbath had a different vibe and edge with their sound - heavy distortion, power chords, and minor keys. These are main staples of heavy metal bands along with palm-muted guitar pedal tones (Metallica made these very popular). Guitar and amp technology made huge strides from the late 60s to the late 80s (thank you digital circuitry), and this has distorted (hardy har har) our perception of the earlier metal bands as metal or not.
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If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.
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the difference is I like porn...PurpleThrobber said:Heavy metal is like porn. I know it when I see (hear) it.
Sabbath, for sure. Scorpions, maybe. ACDC, probably not - just hard rock. -
Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy MetalRaceBannon said:If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.
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All 4 Yellow listed definitely inspired metal bands but none should be considered Heavy Metal.
Deep Purple certainly has some heaviness but I'm afraid the use of a keyboard in every song disqualifies them. Sure its been used by Sabbath, Dio and others on some occasion but even Blackmore himself considered them an instrumental jam band who just happened to be able to use lyrics... Not metal
AC/DC uses about 5 chords, no palm muting, sings only about sex. Not enough depressing shit. Love them to death... Not metal.
Zepplin is too blues based, has too many folky sounding tunes. Certainly has elements of heavy... Not metal.
Van Halen is imo the closest, Eddie can be really heavy, has plenty of chunky riffs, super hot rodded solos. Arguably the most influential guitar player ever, but as much as I love them they have way too many songs with Motown-esque harmonies... Not metal
Also, you're a straight up fag if you dont think Iron Maiden is metal -
NojoeEDangerously said:
Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy MetalRaceBannon said:If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.
There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
The front man is the front man
The wife took care of her man
Page was 5 times the artist of Plant but Plant made Zeppelin -
You know who Jimmy wanted before Plant @RaceBannon ?RaceBannon said:
NojoeEDangerously said:
Yes, its because Sharon fucked over everyone involved with Ozzy who wrote all of his shit for him. Tony Iommi is the real icon of Heavy MetalRaceBannon said:If you grew up on what would be called pop today but was considered rock back then like the Beatles, Herman's Hermits and the like, where the Rolling Stones were considered edgy and a bit hard core then Black Sabbath would have freaked you out. And your parents.
There is a reason Ozzy is a cultural Icon
The front man is the front man
The wife took care of her man
Page was 5 times the artist of Plant but Plant made Zeppelin -
Probably some fag named Rod
