Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
He's a pretty big moron if he believes anything he is actually saying...and apparently has trouble with math if he doesn't see how his UBI matches up with revenue generation. Best part about it is that he's also pushing it via a VAT, which is basically the most regressive way possible to raise revenues.
Goes with another favorite saying I have...just because somebody says something with a British accent it doesn't mean what they are saying is correct. Its amazing how people get influenced by how something is said over what is actually said.
This guy is extremely passionate and pretty eloquent, but he's a fucking moron when it comes to economics...he's crazy passionate about UBI to the point its a religion to him. He's convinced its the future, and every piece of data he sees validates it and any contrary data he sees he discounts, and what doesn't add up he make shit up to fill in (UBI will decrease prison population saving hundreds of billions, it won't impact people's desire to work, etc).
But its free shite so he'll fit in nicely in the primaries, and least until the Left realizes his program actually screws the poor more than any policy the left think Trump could ever propose in their nightmares would (his UBI factors in current benefits, so poor won't actually get much if any money, just everyone else will, and then those poor will suddenly be paying 10% higher on everything they spend money on via the VAT tax).
Don't think he'll make it far enough in the primaries for that to come out though, and if it does it will just evolve out to a bigger handout program...
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
I listened to him on the JRE. He lost me early when he did the politician thing and said "you know, I met with a trucker named Terrance in Davenport, Iowa, and he said..." He did it a few more times. As a rule, I'm skeptical of all these town hall anecdotes.
Joe also never challenged him on how the economy would adjust upward for everyone's new $12,000 salary.
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
I listened to him on the JRE. He lost me early when he did the politician thing and said "you know, I met with a trucker named Terrance in Davenport, Iowa, and he said..." He did it a few more times. As a rule, I'm skeptical of all these town hall anecdotes.
Joe also never challenged him on how the economy would adjust upward for everyone's new $12,000 salary.
Listened to most of it as well...it’s a religion to the guy. Liked how contrary to all known information on the subject he went on a long monologue of how UBI will help low birth rates before Joe called him out on it.
Reminded me of the random crazy guy most people know who started taking some herbal supplement and can’t shut up telling you about all the serious problems they had before they started taking it, how it “fixed” everything wrong in their life, and how you just need to start taking it too...
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
I listened to him on the JRE. He lost me early when he did the politician thing and said "you know, I met with a trucker named Terrance in Davenport, Iowa, and he said..." He did it a few more times. As a rule, I'm skeptical of all these town hall anecdotes.
Joe also never challenged him on how the economy would adjust upward for everyone's new $12,000 salary.
Listened to most of it as well...it’s a religion to the guy. Liked how contrary to all known information on the subject he went on a long monologue of how UBI will help low birth rates before Joe called him out on it.
Reminded me of the random crazy guy most people know who started taking some herbal supplement and can’t shut up telling you about all the serious problems they had before they started taking it, how it “fixed” everything wrong in their life, and how you just need to start taking it too...
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
I listened to him on the JRE. He lost me early when he did the politician thing and said "you know, I met with a trucker named Terrance in Davenport, Iowa, and he said..." He did it a few more times. As a rule, I'm skeptical of all these town hall anecdotes.
Joe also never challenged him on how the economy would adjust upward for everyone's new $12,000 salary.
Listened to most of it as well...it’s a religion to the guy. Liked how contrary to all known information on the subject he went on a long monologue of how UBI will help low birth rates before Joe called him out on it.
Reminded me of the random crazy guy most people know who started taking some herbal supplement and can’t shut up telling you about all the serious problems they had before they started taking it, how it “fixed” everything wrong in their life, and how you just need to start taking it too...
While I don't subscribe to UBI being a panacea I think it is far more efficient and carries a lot less negatives than the current Welfare State and Bureaucracy we have in place. I think it's also probably better for the people receiving UBI than the current entrenched system. We are already spending the money. It might as well go into the pockets of the people we are spending it on.
I'm glad it's at least made it this far into the realm of political discussion. Hopefully, the idea continues to become more investigated.
If y’all think China is gonna sit by idly while socialists pay lazy folks to sit on their asses in the United States, you’re delusional.
Much like SS payments UBI shouldn't be meant to be your sole income and if it is you are probably going to live a fairly miserable life. We already spend more than a trillion dollars on welfare. Both sadly and stupidly, most of that probably goes into the hands of the people administrating the programs who are themselves, a special interest that manipulates our democracy through lobbying, with money provided by the public no less. I'd rather cut out the middle man and just cut a check to the bottom 10% of my neighbors and call it a day. Whether they spend it on bettering themselves, buying hash, or fucking off to Belize I don't really give a shit.
It's not as if it's much different of a concept from the earned income credit.
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
I listened to him on the JRE. He lost me early when he did the politician thing and said "you know, I met with a trucker named Terrance in Davenport, Iowa, and he said..." He did it a few more times. As a rule, I'm skeptical of all these town hall anecdotes.
Joe also never challenged him on how the economy would adjust upward for everyone's new $12,000 salary.
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
He's a pretty big moron if he believes anything he is actually saying...and apparently has trouble with math if he doesn't see how his UBI matches up with revenue generation. Best part about it is that he's also pushing it via a VAT, which is basically the most regressive way possible to raise revenues.
Goes with another favorite saying I have...just because somebody says something with a British accent it doesn't mean what they are saying is correct. Its amazing how people get influenced by how something is said over what is actually said.
This guy is extremely passionate and pretty eloquent, but he's a fucking moron when it comes to economics...he's crazy passionate about UBI to the point its a religion to him. He's convinced its the future, and every piece of data he sees validates it and any contrary data he sees he discounts, and what doesn't add up he make shit up to fill in (UBI will decrease prison population saving hundreds of billions, it won't impact people's desire to work, etc).
But its free shite so he'll fit in nicely in the primaries, and least until the Left realizes his program actually screws the poor more than any policy the left think Trump could ever propose in their nightmares would (his UBI factors in current benefits, so poor won't actually get much if any money, just everyone else will, and then those poor will suddenly be paying 10% higher on everything they spend money on via the VAT tax).
Don't think he'll make it far enough in the primaries for that to come out though, and if it does it will just evolve out to a bigger handout program...
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
I listened to him on the JRE. He lost me early when he did the politician thing and said "you know, I met with a trucker named Terrance in Davenport, Iowa, and he said..." He did it a few more times. As a rule, I'm skeptical of all these town hall anecdotes.
Joe also never challenged him on how the economy would adjust upward for everyone's new $12,000 salary.
Listened to most of it as well...it’s a religion to the guy. Liked how contrary to all known information on the subject he went on a long monologue of how UBI will help low birth rates before Joe called him out on it.
Reminded me of the random crazy guy most people know who started taking some herbal supplement and can’t shut up telling you about all the serious problems they had before they started taking it, how it “fixed” everything wrong in their life, and how you just need to start taking it too...
Ubi is his hook to get his name in the mix. Let's say he won. It would be Trump's wall. Long ways to go to see it a reality.
Great...lets push the guy to the Left of Pocahontas but to the right of Sanders. That will work...
The guy is a moron...according to him (https://www.yang2020.com/meet-andrew/), automation has eliminated 3MM jobs (yet the unemployment rate is at historic lows) so the answer is give everyone free money. Its an unaffordable solution in search of a might-maybe problem decades upon decades out from now, but ok! And his solution to pay for this $2-$3 trillion a year in additional spending is to try and tax companies that automate...I'm sure that won't drive them out of the country which will really help the tax base...
God what a group of fucktards the left has to choose from when somebody thinks this guy makes the most sense. Howard Shultz may be the only sane Democrat left (a sad commentary on all), and look where that is getting him and the party...
I listened to him for over two hours. Yang is not a moron.
He's a pretty big moron if he believes anything he is actually saying...and apparently has trouble with math if he doesn't see how his UBI matches up with revenue generation. Best part about it is that he's also pushing it via a VAT, which is basically the most regressive way possible to raise revenues.
Goes with another favorite saying I have...just because somebody says something with a British accent it doesn't mean what they are saying is correct. Its amazing how people get influenced by how something is said over what is actually said.
This guy is extremely passionate and pretty eloquent, but he's a fucking moron when it comes to economics...he's crazy passionate about UBI to the point its a religion to him. He's convinced its the future, and every piece of data he sees validates it and any contrary data he sees he discounts, and what doesn't add up he make shit up to fill in (UBI will decrease prison population saving hundreds of billions, it won't impact people's desire to work, etc).
But its free shite so he'll fit in nicely in the primaries, and least until the Left realizes his program actually screws the poor more than any policy the left think Trump could ever propose in their nightmares would (his UBI factors in current benefits, so poor won't actually get much if any money, just everyone else will, and then those poor will suddenly be paying 10% higher on everything they spend money on via the VAT tax).
Don't think he'll make it far enough in the primaries for that to come out though, and if it does it will just evolve out to a bigger handout program...
What British accent?
None...the guy is eloquent, but he's basically saying the economic equivalent of the earth is flat. The way he says it sounds great, but if you ignore the eloquence of how he says it and just look at the numbers behind what he says its complete and utter bullshit. My point was that for some reason people fall for this time of stuff all the time with consultants with British accents.
The vegan comment was spot on.
UBI sounds great, but his numbers on funding it are bogus, his soft savings/benefits (prison, birth rates, drug use decrease, etc.) are all completely made up (and contrary to the few studies/places that have tried it), he even admits it won't solve the problem he's trying to solve (i.e. its not enough to live on, and won't undo the economic loss of somebody getting outplaced but it will make them "feel" a little better). And the big thing is if you look at the nuts and bolts of what he is actually proposing it is basically a big wealth transfer from the the poorest of society to the middle class and rich which will never happen, which means it will become an even bigger handout when actually implemented. Its also nothing like what Milton Friedman talked about (which I more agree with in principle but still don't think it would ever work in practice).
If y’all think China is gonna sit by idly while socialists pay lazy folks to sit on their asses in the United States, you’re delusional.
Much like SS payments UBI shouldn't be meant to be your sole income and if it is you are probably going to live a fairly miserable life. We already spend more than a trillion dollars on welfare. Both sadly and stupidly, most of that probably goes into the hands of the people administrating the programs who are themselves, a special interest that manipulates our democracy through lobbying, with money provided by the public no less. I'd rather cut out the middle man and just cut a check to the bottom 10% of my neighbors and call it a day. Whether they spend it on bettering themselves, buying hash, or fucking off to Belize I don't really give a shit.
It's not as if it's much different of a concept from the earned income credit.
That's more of Milton Friedman's concept (and not Yang's)...Friedman's concept was eliminate all the govt agencies/handouts and just send people a check. Its much more efficient, but you'll also get a good chunk of those folks screwing up as well (usually if you are at that level your ability to handle finance on a monthly level isn't the best)...which will lead to a bunch of folks homeless/without food/etc.
Yang's concept is keep all those govt programs, and if your monthly benefits don't add up to $1,000/month than you pay them the difference in a check while giving everyone else who doesn't get govt handouts a $1,000/month.
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Goes with another favorite saying I have...just because somebody says something with a British accent it doesn't mean what they are saying is correct. Its amazing how people get influenced by how something is said over what is actually said.
This guy is extremely passionate and pretty eloquent, but he's a fucking moron when it comes to economics...he's crazy passionate about UBI to the point its a religion to him. He's convinced its the future, and every piece of data he sees validates it and any contrary data he sees he discounts, and what doesn't add up he make shit up to fill in (UBI will decrease prison population saving hundreds of billions, it won't impact people's desire to work, etc).
But its free shite so he'll fit in nicely in the primaries, and least until the Left realizes his program actually screws the poor more than any policy the left think Trump could ever propose in their nightmares would (his UBI factors in current benefits, so poor won't actually get much if any money, just everyone else will, and then those poor will suddenly be paying 10% higher on everything they spend money on via the VAT tax).
Don't think he'll make it far enough in the primaries for that to come out though, and if it does it will just evolve out to a bigger handout program...
Joe also never challenged him on how the economy would adjust upward for everyone's new $12,000 salary.
Reminded me of the random crazy guy most people know who started taking some herbal supplement and can’t shut up telling you about all the serious problems they had before they started taking it, how it “fixed” everything wrong in their life, and how you just need to start taking it too...
I'm glad it's at least made it this far into the realm of political discussion. Hopefully, the idea continues to become more investigated.
@PurpleThrobber, true ?!?!
It's not as if it's much different of a concept from the earned income credit.
The vegan comment was spot on.
UBI sounds great, but his numbers on funding it are bogus, his soft savings/benefits (prison, birth rates, drug use decrease, etc.) are all completely made up (and contrary to the few studies/places that have tried it), he even admits it won't solve the problem he's trying to solve (i.e. its not enough to live on, and won't undo the economic loss of somebody getting outplaced but it will make them "feel" a little better). And the big thing is if you look at the nuts and bolts of what he is actually proposing it is basically a big wealth transfer from the the poorest of society to the middle class and rich which will never happen, which means it will become an even bigger handout when actually implemented. Its also nothing like what Milton Friedman talked about (which I more agree with in principle but still don't think it would ever work in practice).
But other than that its a grand idea...
Yang's concept is keep all those govt programs, and if your monthly benefits don't add up to $1,000/month than you pay them the difference in a check while giving everyone else who doesn't get govt handouts a $1,000/month.
The Democrats fucking suck. No one likes Republicans and yet the Dems still can't win.