Establishment Republicans don’t hate business and aren’t opposed to building pipeline, drilling oil and expanding the economy all things that help union labor. It wasn’t establishment Republicans who were try to take away labor’s Cadillac healthcare plans
There is nobody in the GOP calling for cuts to Medicare and Social Security, so how is old people voting Republican voting against their interests?
The biggest threat to Medicare would be expanding it to everyone, which would necessitate rationing and longer waiting periods.
So maybe they are actually voting their interests and not the bullshit boogie man the Rats have been flogging for 40 years
So, McConnell hasn't called for cuts?
My side of the Republican party, the one I get thrashed for around here periodically, has a long history with SS, Medicare and entitlements in general. Mind you, these are sentiments that I personally agree with, to greater and lesser extents. Dole, Reagan, Bush ... all of them had their day with these programs.
All that notwithstanding, I agree, entirely, that all entitlement programs have to be managed, and that bankrupting the country just means we all starve. I am first generation removed from people who lost everything to communism and had to come here and start over with only their human capital. With respect to many of these topics, you are preaching to the choir. Nobody who actually knows me has ever called me a commie, joking or otherwise. They know where I stand.
Establishment Republicans don’t hate business and aren’t opposed to building pipeline, drilling oil and expanding the economy all things that help union labor. It wasn’t establishment Republicans who were try to take away labor’s Cadillac healthcare plans
Yep. But that's not how labor saw it. That's just a fact. The average union guy didn't view an establishment Republican as labor-friendly and they were skeptical of supply-side economics. Most of what you said is supply-side. If you're looking for a fight on that point (the merits of supply side economics), you picked the wrong guy.
I'm not 100% anything. There are issues on which I lean left. It is far from my overall political and philosophical view of the world. Quite far.
On the cadillac plans, sure. Democrats, in their zeal to overhaul US healthcare, need money with which to do it. They courted disaster by going to that source with their tax proposal.
There is nobody in the GOP calling for cuts to Medicare and Social Security, so how is old people voting Republican voting against their interests?
The biggest threat to Medicare would be expanding it to everyone, which would necessitate rationing and longer waiting periods.
So maybe they are actually voting their interests and not the bullshit boogie man the Rats have been flogging for 40 years
So, McConnell hasn't called for cuts?
My side of the Republican party, the one I get thrashed for around here periodically, has a long history with SS, Medicare and entitlements in general. Mind you, these are sentiments that I personally agree with, to greater and lesser extents. Dole, Reagan, Bush ... all of them had their day with these programs.
All that notwithstanding, I agree, entirely, that all entitlement programs have to be managed, and that bankrupting the country just means we all starve. I am first generation removed from people who lost everything to communism and had to come here and start over with only their human capital. With respect to many of these topics, you are preaching to the choir. Nobody who actually knows me has ever called me a commie, joking or otherwise. They know where I stand.
They have a long history of expanding both programs and never once cutting them
Establishment Republicans don’t hate business and aren’t opposed to building pipeline, drilling oil and expanding the economy all things that help union labor. It wasn’t establishment Republicans who were try to take away labor’s Cadillac healthcare plans
Yep. But that's not how labor saw it. That's just a fact. The average union guy didn't view an establishment Republican as labor-friendly and they were skeptical of supply-side economics. Most of what you said is supply-side. If you're looking for a fight on that point (the merits of supply side economics), you picked the wrong guy.
I'm not 100% anything. There are issues on which I lean left. It is far from my overall political and philosophical view of the world. Quite far.
On the cadillac plans, sure. Democrats, in their zeal to overhaul US healthcare, need money with which to do it. They courted disaster by going to that source with their tax proposal.
Explains why Reagan won the blue collar labor vote
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My side of the Republican party, the one I get thrashed for around here periodically, has a long history with SS, Medicare and entitlements in general. Mind you, these are sentiments that I personally agree with, to greater and lesser extents. Dole, Reagan, Bush ... all of them had their day with these programs.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-column-miller-socialsecurity/social-security-and-the-u-s-deficit-separating-fact-from-fiction-idUSKCN1N64GR
https://www.forbes.com/sites/deloitte/2019/01/23/playing-defense-companies-are-taking-a-cautious-approach-to-disruption/#3df49bfc6ac4
All that notwithstanding, I agree, entirely, that all entitlement programs have to be managed, and that bankrupting the country just means we all starve. I am first generation removed from people who lost everything to communism and had to come here and start over with only their human capital. With respect to many of these topics, you are preaching to the choir. Nobody who actually knows me has ever called me a commie, joking or otherwise. They know where I stand.
I'm not 100% anything. There are issues on which I lean left. It is far from my overall political and philosophical view of the world. Quite far.
On the cadillac plans, sure. Democrats, in their zeal to overhaul US healthcare, need money with which to do it. They courted disaster by going to that source with their tax proposal.
You’re talking out your ass